ACHS - conservative leaning students - afraid to speak up

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Are you kidding me? If you are allowed to speak then they need to be allowed to speak. That's the way it works in a democracy with a constitution like ours that protects freedom of speech."

Sigh. You don't understand freedom of speech.

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Everyone can speak. And everyone can face the consequences of their words.

And the consequences for perceived thought crimes are for students (and teachers?) to alienate and ostracize a fellow student? In the context of broader society, I imagine businesses will soon put up signs that they only serve democrats (or republicans).

This fear of alienation and ostracism is largely imaginary. In cases where it might happen, the speech must have been so heinous (expression of racism or bigotry) so as to invite that reaction. No one is alienated by someone advocating for lower taxes or a stronger military. It might be pointed out the two concepts are mutually exclusive goals, but this notion that you can’t articulate those type of traditionally conservative perspectives without being ostracized is ridiculous. No, it’s the weird resentment about feeling like you can’t push back on policies that are inclusive for transgender students or racist policing.

I disagree. From reading this thread, warning someone that “free speech doesn’t mean free of consequences” is a palpable threat to “watch what you say or you’ll be ostracized?” A student articulating even sympathy toward a pro-life position can be expected to be labeled (sorry-publicly “called out”) as an anti-woman bigot (even if they are a woman).

It’s not a threat. It’s a logical consequence.

And, yes, anyone who is anti-choice is anti-woman. There are plenty of women who are judging other women and trying to push their religious beliefs on everyone else.

Ok. That clarifies things. I get it. Schools function as churches for Democrats. Conservatives can attend, but they should be silent as to their beliefs, just like a pro-choice individual can attend a traditional church provided they keep that opinion to themselves. Vocally contravening the norm “logically” results in alienation — the heretic simply doesn’t fit in. The threat of being ostracized is a tool of indoctrination. I suspect the indoctrination does more harm than good in both venues and need to go process my own thoughts on this.

No, schools are where kids go to learn facts and how to be a good citizen.

Not to learn outdated myths.

" anyone who is anti-choice is anti-woman" is not a fact, it's an opinion.

BS. If you want to dictate a woman's reproductive choices, you are antiwoman.

Baloney. I am a woman who knows that it is immoral and wrong for a woman to have an abortion because an abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. I'm not antiwoman, I'm antimurder of babies.

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Then you don't have an abortion. I will do what I want when I want. You have zero right to tell others what to do.

I am worth mte than a clump of cells. You probably aren't though.

No one's telling you what to do.
And any teen who might want to share that they believe abortion is wrong also is not telling you what to do. A student in a class discussion stating support for or against the overturning of Roe v Wade also isn't telling you what to do - they're just participating in a class discussion (which this post is supposed to be about!)
You shouldn't tell me that I have to support abortions with my taxes if I believe abortion is wrong.
You shouldn't get to tell a hospital it has to provide abortion services to receive federal funding if the hospital is morally opposed to abortion.
Should every state ban legal abortions, they aren't telling you what to do - they are limiting your access to options. You're still free to have an abortion - just not so easily or safely. Killing a bunch of kids and their teachers is illegal - but people remain free to do it. And no, Republicans shamefully aren't taking their guns away. Shoplifting is illegal - but people are free to do it. It's just that actions and decisions have consequences, some greater than others; and a lot of women/parents/controlling males don't want to take responsibility for the consequences of having consensual sex.

You were a clump of cells once. Fortunately for you, you were already worth more than that clump of cells to the woman who did not end your development prematurely.

I am adopted. People like you treated my mom like crap. I was a mere commodity to them. No one cared about me. Spare me your savior BS.


I would gladly trade my existence for my mother's freedom.


You are enslaving women like my mother.

You lose more and more credibility each time you respond. FACT: I don't believe you and don't believe you're participating in this conversation genuinely.

You will find out the hard way I am right after Roe is gone.

And I am not lying about anything. There are a lot of adoptees like me.

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Are you kidding me? If you are allowed to speak then they need to be allowed to speak. That's the way it works in a democracy with a constitution like ours that protects freedom of speech."

Sigh. You don't understand freedom of speech.

+1

Everyone can speak. And everyone can face the consequences of their words.

And the consequences for perceived thought crimes are for students (and teachers?) to alienate and ostracize a fellow student? In the context of broader society, I imagine businesses will soon put up signs that they only serve democrats (or republicans).

This fear of alienation and ostracism is largely imaginary. In cases where it might happen, the speech must have been so heinous (expression of racism or bigotry) so as to invite that reaction. No one is alienated by someone advocating for lower taxes or a stronger military. It might be pointed out the two concepts are mutually exclusive goals, but this notion that you can’t articulate those type of traditionally conservative perspectives without being ostracized is ridiculous. No, it’s the weird resentment about feeling like you can’t push back on policies that are inclusive for transgender students or racist policing.

I disagree. From reading this thread, warning someone that “free speech doesn’t mean free of consequences” is a palpable threat to “watch what you say or you’ll be ostracized?” A student articulating even sympathy toward a pro-life position can be expected to be labeled (sorry-publicly “called out”) as an anti-woman bigot (even if they are a woman).

It’s not a threat. It’s a logical consequence.

And, yes, anyone who is anti-choice is anti-woman. There are plenty of women who are judging other women and trying to push their religious beliefs on everyone else.

Ok. That clarifies things. I get it. Schools function as churches for Democrats. Conservatives can attend, but they should be silent as to their beliefs, just like a pro-choice individual can attend a traditional church provided they keep that opinion to themselves. Vocally contravening the norm “logically” results in alienation — the heretic simply doesn’t fit in. The threat of being ostracized is a tool of indoctrination. I suspect the indoctrination does more harm than good in both venues and need to go process my own thoughts on this.

No, schools are where kids go to learn facts and how to be a good citizen.

Not to learn outdated myths.

" anyone who is anti-choice is anti-woman" is not a fact, it's an opinion.

BS. If you want to dictate a woman's reproductive choices, you are antiwoman.

Baloney. I am a woman who knows that it is immoral and wrong for a woman to have an abortion because an abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. I'm not antiwoman, I'm antimurder of babies.

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Then you don't have an abortion. I will do what I want when I want. You have zero right to tell others what to do.

I am worth mte than a clump of cells. You probably aren't though.

Have you ever thanked your mother that SHE didn't have an abortion when she was pregnant with you?

Sophmoric question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell me again about conservative voices being silenced in schools.

https://www.marionstar.com/story/news/local/2022/06/07/river-valley-not-apologizing-anti-gay-graduation-speech/7503920001/

And this kid in FL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlhkq7K8OE

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Anonymous wrote:"
Are you kidding me? If you are allowed to speak then they need to be allowed to speak. That's the way it works in a democracy with a constitution like ours that protects freedom of speech."

Sigh. You don't understand freedom of speech.

+1

Everyone can speak. And everyone can face the consequences of their words.

And the consequences for perceived thought crimes are for students (and teachers?) to alienate and ostracize a fellow student? In the context of broader society, I imagine businesses will soon put up signs that they only serve democrats (or republicans).

This fear of alienation and ostracism is largely imaginary. In cases where it might happen, the speech must have been so heinous (expression of racism or bigotry) so as to invite that reaction. No one is alienated by someone advocating for lower taxes or a stronger military. It might be pointed out the two concepts are mutually exclusive goals, but this notion that you can’t articulate those type of traditionally conservative perspectives without being ostracized is ridiculous. No, it’s the weird resentment about feeling like you can’t push back on policies that are inclusive for transgender students or racist policing.

I disagree. From reading this thread, warning someone that “free speech doesn’t mean free of consequences” is a palpable threat to “watch what you say or you’ll be ostracized?” A student articulating even sympathy toward a pro-life position can be expected to be labeled (sorry-publicly “called out”) as an anti-woman bigot (even if they are a woman).

It’s not a threat. It’s a logical consequence.

And, yes, anyone who is anti-choice is anti-woman. There are plenty of women who are judging other women and trying to push their religious beliefs on everyone else.

Ok. That clarifies things. I get it. Schools function as churches for Democrats. Conservatives can attend, but they should be silent as to their beliefs, just like a pro-choice individual can attend a traditional church provided they keep that opinion to themselves. Vocally contravening the norm “logically” results in alienation — the heretic simply doesn’t fit in. The threat of being ostracized is a tool of indoctrination. I suspect the indoctrination does more harm than good in both venues and need to go process my own thoughts on this.

No, schools are where kids go to learn facts and how to be a good citizen.

Not to learn outdated myths.

" anyone who is anti-choice is anti-woman" is not a fact, it's an opinion.

BS. If you want to dictate a woman's reproductive choices, you are antiwoman.

Baloney. I am a woman who knows that it is immoral and wrong for a woman to have an abortion because an abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. I'm not antiwoman, I'm antimurder of babies.

+1

Then you don't have an abortion. I will do what I want when I want. You have zero right to tell others what to do.

I am worth mte than a clump of cells. You probably aren't though.

No one's telling you what to do.
And any teen who might want to share that they believe abortion is wrong also is not telling you what to do. A student in a class discussion stating support for or against the overturning of Roe v Wade also isn't telling you what to do - they're just participating in a class discussion (which this post is supposed to be about!)
You shouldn't tell me that I have to support abortions with my taxes if I believe abortion is wrong.
You shouldn't get to tell a hospital it has to provide abortion services to receive federal funding if the hospital is morally opposed to abortion.
Should every state ban legal abortions, they aren't telling you what to do - they are limiting your access to options. You're still free to have an abortion - just not so easily or safely. Killing a bunch of kids and their teachers is illegal - but people remain free to do it. And no, Republicans shamefully aren't taking their guns away. Shoplifting is illegal - but people are free to do it. It's just that actions and decisions have consequences, some greater than others; and a lot of women/parents/controlling males don't want to take responsibility for the consequences of having consensual sex.

You were a clump of cells once. Fortunately for you, you were already worth more than that clump of cells to the woman who did not end your development prematurely.

I am adopted. People like you treated my mom like crap. I was a mere commodity to them. No one cared about me. Spare me your savior BS.


I would gladly trade my existence for my mother's freedom.


You are enslaving women like my mother.

You lose more and more credibility each time you respond. FACT: I don't believe you and don't believe you're participating in this conversation genuinely.

DP.

Adoption is traumatic for everyone involved. Women should only continue a pregnancy and relinquish their baby by choice.

Another perspective:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/opinion/adoption-supreme-court-amy-coney-barrett.html

[jsteele]

This thread has gotten pretty far off-topic.