Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Why is it "pissing away" your time if you are doing what you want to do? Do you really think so little of women that you think we can't decide for ourselves how we want to live - what are we, robots who watch one episode of SATC and then that's it, it's all shoes and whatever else we cared about is out the window?

I think you look down on women in every possible way, and your post just shows how little you think of our brains or lives. Having children young - or at all for that matter - is not the be all and end all for three dimensional people who are evaluation options and making decisions. At least not for all of us. Sorry if you can't see beyond your own personal experience to understand that not everyone wants to be you, and that's not because of Hollywood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Maybe a woman’s worth isn’t determined by fertility. And aren’t teenagers really the ones in their prime fertility years? Just think of all the kids you could have to support Social Security and Medicare if you started at 14 instead of waiting until your 20s. Who cares about about school when you could be a mother—the most important part of being a woman.

I understand your point, but if this is really the direction our society is going we need to rethink a lot of social norms. Social Security/Medicare will be unsustainable. The retirement age for both will need to go way, way up. People will need to save more for themselves. Long-term care insurance should be required for childless people because there is nobody who will take care of them when they get older. We probably need to have a serious conversation about end of life care too -- should we really be spending 90% of a person's lifetime health care costs in their last 6 months of life when they don't even have children or grandchildren to look in after them? (frankly I think we ought to have a big conversation about end of life care costs in general, but absolutely need to if the birth rate declines especially for people without kids -- should taxpayers spend a million to keep a 90 year old person alive for an extra 6 months who has no next of kin??)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

And another thing, if money is so tight, why does basically every gal under age 40 on my Facebook have a master's or law degree? Racking up six-figures of debt and flushing two to three years of peak fertility down the drain on a worthless overpriced degree, which they seek for status purposes.

Do you feel that way about men with law degrees? Worthless and only for status purposes?

Men that don’t go to t14 for law school

Major red flag!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you grew up in a big family like mine with 8 kids, you would understand why people do not want kids

Interesting point. My H comes from a family where 6-8 kids is the norm; he's the youngest of 7.

It sucks. Our kid is something like the 35th grandchild so literally no one cares about her. No one came to visit when she was born. Her grandparents have never come to visit her, so she's only met them a couple times and they're pretty uninterested at this point. All her aunts and uncles have their own mess of kids to worry about so they aren't interested. There's this huge extended family that all live within a 4 hour drive, and we barely ever see any of them. It's a problem when you literally cannot remember the names of your cousins, nieces, and nephews because there are so many.

Meanwhile in my family, people have 0-2 kids, and we're all very close despite being 2000 miles apart. My family comes out to visit regularly, they FaceTime with us, send gifts for DD, have pictures of her in their homes, they actually care. There's a much higher quality of relationship, we don't just say hi at the holidays and then forget about each other the other 364 days of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

Hmmm, it could be. I always pictured a greasy, pasty incel who think the reason he can't find a sex partner is because all us gals are off at brunch with our besties and posting our meals on IG.

Either way, I find the vendetta against brunches hilarious. 1000 years from now, when historians write textbooks on the downfall of Western Civilization, it will all come down to one thing......brunch. The Eggs Benedict that dried up 4 billion women's eggs. Women both ate the bacon and brought it home. We waffled on having kids because we wanted to eat the waffles, and then it was too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you grew up in a big family like mine with 8 kids, you would understand why people do not want kids

Interesting point. My H comes from a family where 6-8 kids is the norm; he's the youngest of 7.

It sucks. Our kid is something like the 35th grandchild so literally no one cares about her. No one came to visit when she was born. Her grandparents have never come to visit her, so she's only met them a couple times and they're pretty uninterested at this point. All her aunts and uncles have their own mess of kids to worry about so they aren't interested. There's this huge extended family that all live within a 4 hour drive, and we barely ever see any of them. It's a problem when you literally cannot remember the names of your cousins, nieces, and nephews because there are so many.

Meanwhile in my family, people have 0-2 kids, and we're all very close despite being 2000 miles apart. My family comes out to visit regularly, they FaceTime with us, send gifts for DD, have pictures of her in their homes, they actually care. There's a much higher quality of relationship, we don't just say hi at the holidays and then forget about each other the other 364 days of the year.

Thanks for understanding and I am sorry to hear about your husband's family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Maybe a woman’s worth isn’t determined by fertility. And aren’t teenagers really the ones in their prime fertility years? Just think of all the kids you could have to support Social Security and Medicare if you started at 14 instead of waiting until your 20s. Who cares about about school when you could be a mother—the most important part of being a woman.

I understand your point, but if this is really the direction our society is going we need to rethink a lot of social norms. Social Security/Medicare will be unsustainable. The retirement age for both will need to go way, way up. People will need to save more for themselves. Long-term care insurance should be required for childless people because there is nobody who will take care of them when they get older. We probably need to have a serious conversation about end of life care too -- should we really be spending 90% of a person's lifetime health care costs in their last 6 months of life when they don't even have children or grandchildren to look in after them? (frankly I think we ought to have a big conversation about end of life care costs in general, but absolutely need to if the birth rate declines especially for people without kids -- should taxpayers spend a million to keep a 90 year old person alive for an extra 6 months who has no next of kin??)

I’m all for reducing healthcare costs and not paying for expensive procedures above a certain age, but someone’s life is not more valuable because they had kids. Chances are you children are not going to take care of you or visit often.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

And another thing, if money is so tight, why does basically every gal under age 40 on my Facebook have a master's or law degree? Racking up six-figures of debt and flushing two to three years of peak fertility down the drain on a worthless overpriced degree, which they seek for status purposes.

Do you feel that way about men with law degrees? Worthless and only for status purposes?

Men that don’t go to t14 for law school

Major red flag!!!!!!!!!

Should we assume you went to the T 14th school? Such a weird cut off for UMC desirability ….

[Anonymous]

Malthus is fist pumping in his grave …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you grew up in a big family like mine with 8 kids, you would understand why people do not want kids

Interesting point. My H comes from a family where 6-8 kids is the norm; he's the youngest of 7.

It sucks. Our kid is something like the 35th grandchild so literally no one cares about her. No one came to visit when she was born. Her grandparents have never come to visit her, so she's only met them a couple times and they're pretty uninterested at this point. All her aunts and uncles have their own mess of kids to worry about so they aren't interested. There's this huge extended family that all live within a 4 hour drive, and we barely ever see any of them. It's a problem when you literally cannot remember the names of your cousins, nieces, and nephews because there are so many.

Meanwhile in my family, people have 0-2 kids, and we're all very close despite being 2000 miles apart. My family comes out to visit regularly, they FaceTime with us, send gifts for DD, have pictures of her in their homes, they actually care. There's a much higher quality of relationship, we don't just say hi at the holidays and then forget about each other the other 364 days of the year.

I hear ya! From very big family and most of us have only 1-3 kids bc we wanted to give them more attention. Now our DC wants a bigger family 😅😂 …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you grew up in a big family like mine with 8 kids, you would understand why people do not want kids

Interesting point. My H comes from a family where 6-8 kids is the norm; he's the youngest of 7.

It sucks. Our kid is something like the 35th grandchild so literally no one cares about her. No one came to visit when she was born. Her grandparents have never come to visit her, so she's only met them a couple times and they're pretty uninterested at this point. All her aunts and uncles have their own mess of kids to worry about so they aren't interested. There's this huge extended family that all live within a 4 hour drive, and we barely ever see any of them. It's a problem when you literally cannot remember the names of your cousins, nieces, and nephews because there are so many.

Meanwhile in my family, people have 0-2 kids, and we're all very close despite being 2000 miles apart. My family comes out to visit regularly, they FaceTime with us, send gifts for DD, have pictures of her in their homes, they actually care. There's a much higher quality of relationship, we don't just say hi at the holidays and then forget about each other the other 364 days of the year.

Thanks for understanding and I am sorry to hear about your husband's family.

I happen to live around a number of large families, many of them are my friends. They have extended family over all the time, help each other out consistently. Meanwhile, we both come from smaller families, and basically have 364 days without connection. I don’t think large or small families actually make an across the board difference. You can be big and dysfunctional or small and dysfunctional. Or you can all figure it out, no matter your size.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you grew up in a big family like mine with 8 kids, you would understand why people do not want kids

Interesting point. My H comes from a family where 6-8 kids is the norm; he's the youngest of 7.

It sucks. Our kid is something like the 35th grandchild so literally no one cares about her. No one came to visit when she was born. Her grandparents have never come to visit her, so she's only met them a couple times and they're pretty uninterested at this point. All her aunts and uncles have their own mess of kids to worry about so they aren't interested. There's this huge extended family that all live within a 4 hour drive, and we barely ever see any of them. It's a problem when you literally cannot remember the names of your cousins, nieces, and nephews because there are so many.

Meanwhile in my family, people have 0-2 kids, and we're all very close despite being 2000 miles apart. My family comes out to visit regularly, they FaceTime with us, send gifts for DD, have pictures of her in their homes, they actually care. There's a much higher quality of relationship, we don't just say hi at the holidays and then forget about each other the other 364 days of the year.

I’m one of four, and I have four kids. I’m very close with my siblings. Very close.

I have a BIL from a family of eight. He vacations with most of his siblings and their kids each year. Multiple vacations at each others vacation homes. Plus big holidays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

You sound super out of touch and I hope you don’t spout this crap to your children. When I turned 30 very few of my friends had kids. I’m now 35 and a large majority of my friends have at least 1 if not 2 kids. Most of us got married in our early 30s and will spend 30-39 having kids. I have zero regrets on having spent my 20s partying and going to brunches. Sheesh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

I hope you know how weird it is to tell us your kids went to "top 25" universities. On top of all the rest of it.