South Asian male applicants

[Anonymous]

You all have such a fixed mindset about intelligence. A lot of it is because of hard work and self discipline, not because they are ‘smart.’

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

What ‘pre-prescribed extracurriculars’ are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

Not sure of the exact year but USNWR eliminated acceptance rate and added first gen, low income factors to its calculus. You saw some good schools fall all over themselves to gvet in more URMs and poor kids. But surely you knew this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

+1 look at the historical demographic data over the last 75-100 years. Elite universities never had a critical mass of non-white students or high achieving students. Legacy, wealthy and white, yes. These schools were full of wealthy C and B students. Around the 1980s more middle class and women started to join the ranks with a few non-whites with a focus on merit but still dominated by wealth and legacy. People come to this country and drink the merit/ American dream kool aid. Elite universities shifted focus to keep their preferred demographic balance and seem like they embrace diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

Not sure of the exact year but USNWR eliminated acceptance rate and added first gen, low income factors to its calculus. You saw some good schools fall all over themselves to gvet in more URMs and poor kids. But surely you knew this.

Not all of us live and die by the USNWR ranking criteria. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

Not sure of the exact year but USNWR eliminated acceptance rate and added first gen, low income factors to its calculus. You saw some good schools fall all over themselves to gvet in more URMs and poor kids. But surely you knew this.

Not all of us live and die by the USNWR ranking criteria. Get a life.

Haha. I think most on here definitely do. As for this very thread, the term "universities" means elite universities. Otherwise no on would be complaining about the south asian males not getting into the tippy top schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

Not sure of the exact year but USNWR eliminated acceptance rate and added first gen, low income factors to its calculus. You saw some good schools fall all over themselves to gvet in more URMs and poor kids. But surely you knew this.

Not all of us live and die by the USNWR ranking criteria. Get a life.

Haha. I think most on here definitely do. As for this very thread, the term "universities" means elite universities. Otherwise no on would be complaining about the south asian males not getting into the tippy top schools.

Didn't those schools all have fairly robust efforts to attract URMs and FGLI prior to 2017? Do they really care about manipulating the rankings as to change their admissions processes? The whole argument seems a bit far fetched.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

Not sure of the exact year but USNWR eliminated acceptance rate and added first gen, low income factors to its calculus. You saw some good schools fall all over themselves to gvet in more URMs and poor kids. But surely you knew this.

Not all of us live and die by the USNWR ranking criteria. Get a life.

Haha. I think most on here definitely do. As for this very thread, the term "universities" means elite universities. Otherwise no on would be complaining about the south asian males not getting into the tippy top schools.

Didn't those schools all have fairly robust efforts to attract URMs and FGLI prior to 2017? Do they really care about manipulating the rankings as to change their admissions processes? The whole argument seems a bit far fetched.

The answer is yes they do. But I don't know if it was exactly 2017. May have been a bit before that. When USNWR changed its rating factors

[Anonymous]

There are just too many applying for a limited number of spots within engineering and CS. MIT and CMU are over 40% Asian, as are the engineering and CS departments at many schools. How is that being racist? Do you think they should be 100%?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

Couple of counterpoints, genius..

- Have you see sports parents rant and rave about their kids? Their behavior on the sidelines? Tell me they don't live voraciously through their kids. Majority of the kids play a particular sport because one of their parents did it.
- ALL South Asian parents know that grades alone are not enough. Do you honestly think we are here arguing that colleges should admit us based on just our grades and SAT scores? Get a life. TJ is majority Asian. Several TJ teams trounce everyone else at the state and national levels - MUN, debate, theatre, tennis, swimming, etc. Would love to hear from you on what's missing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.

Oh, boo hoo hoo,. The real issue might be all these south Asian males are essentially robotic clones of each other and discerning individuality that might bring something of actual value to the cohort is hard.

Imagine saying this about any other race.

This is horribly racist, pp.

It's not racist at all. There is a subset of parents of these boys who long lived vicariously through their sons and believed -- wrongly as it turns out, although we could have told them when -- that STEM/cram/grades/test scores were all that mattered. In many instances they put their kids through the paces and they were tightly guided through pre-prescribed extracurriculars intended to achieve certain metrics ... and now they're discovering that those metrics are not universally valued as absolute.

This is absolutely a phenomenon with South Asia communities. Not *all* South Asian families, mind you. But a significant subset of them that there is a critical mass applying for limited spots and these people sincerely cannot understand why HPY cohorts can't be/shouldn'tbe/don't want to be overwhelmingly Southeast Asian. And they're confusing this with "discrimination" or unfair play when, in fact, the very premise under which they raised their children for so long was fundamentally flawed.

I don't think it was flawed. The U.S. college admissions game just changed on them starting about 5 years ago. Now they have to change their approach and come up with a hard luck story

What happened in 2017 that changed the college admissions game?

Not sure of the exact year but USNWR eliminated acceptance rate and added first gen, low income factors to its calculus. You saw some good schools fall all over themselves to gvet in more URMs and poor kids. But surely you knew this.

Not all of us live and die by the USNWR ranking criteria. Get a life.

Haha. I think most on here definitely do. As for this very thread, the term "universities" means elite universities. Otherwise no on would be complaining about the south asian males not getting into the tippy top schools.

Of course. Don't act like y'all don't care about elite universities. I don't see you folks fighting to get into Alabama.

[Anonymous]

They should take each applicant based on individual merit - anything else including a 40% versus 100% criterion is indeed racist.