UMC suburban college student lied about background to become prestigious Rhodes Scholar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There sure is some Qanon level conspiracy theories on her to justify abuse and placement of a child in foster care.

Just when I think DCUM can't go any lower, it does. Don't ever disappoint me DCUM.

What? That is what you got out of this thread? OMG you are literally crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to take a guess that it was a former classmate's family who called in the tip that all was not what it seemed.

That makes sense to me. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever that the mother called in the tip, despite the weirdo PP above who stated it as a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There sure is some Qanon level conspiracy theories on her to justify abuse and placement of a child in foster care.

Just when I think DCUM can't go any lower, it does. Don't ever disappoint me DCUM.

Something is just OFF about this story. Wait a while and see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to take a guess that it was a former classmate's family who called in the tip that all was not what it seemed.

That makes sense to me. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever that the mother called in the tip, despite the weirdo PP above who stated it as a fact.

It was reported in the article someone linked to at the beginning of the thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to take a guess that it was a former classmate's family who called in the tip that all was not what it seemed.

That makes sense to me. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever that the mother called in the tip, despite the weirdo PP above who stated it as a fact.

It was reported in the article someone linked to at the beginning of the thread.

Anonymous means the mother?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to take a guess that it was a former classmate's family who called in the tip that all was not what it seemed.

That makes sense to me. There seems to be no evidence whatsoever that the mother called in the tip, despite the weirdo PP above who stated it as a fact.

It was reported in the article someone linked to at the beginning of the thread.

Anonymous means the mother?

Yes, I just saw "anonymous." Would love to see a conclusive statement it was the mother. Maybe I missed something.

[Anonymous]

What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The power of victimhood.

+1 This. Victims are the new heroes. Pathetic.

Not at all. You stink.


The initial criminal complaint in 2014 includes a statement from a detective who noted that Fierceton was treated at a hospital for bruising and swelling that Fierceton claimed her mother caused by pushing her down the stairs. She also described an incident the previous day where her mother pushed her into a wall and an incident 7 months earlier where she slammed her face on a metal table, causing black eyes. Fierceton showed the detective a photograph of her injuries.

Original PP here. My point is broader than this single incident. I'm not doubting that the student was a victim of abuse, or suffered through hurtful circumstances. My point is that our society now has an unhealthy fetish with being a victim, as if that is a source of moral virtue, to be worn like a badge of honor, paraded and celebrated in the spotlight. Regardless of where you place the fault, whether it is with the student or the admissions officers - someone embellished the victim narrative. Why did they do this? Because in our society, being a victim is power, and this is not healthy.

This goes back to Louis L'Amour if not further. Americans have always been obsessed with the idea of pulling yourself up from your bootstraps, the self-made man, making something out of nothing. Of course to be fair, the idea that it's both brand new and contemptible because your kid doesn't benefit from the narrative is also pretty classically American.

False. Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is about overcoming life's challenges without making excuses for yourself, rather than enumerating and celebrating those challenges. What was celebrated was the triumph, the success. Any hardship faced by the person was viewed as not all that relevant because everyone has their challenges and is expected to help themselves before asking others for help.

LOL sure. This is why no one ever uses the phrase "rags to riches", just "riches at the end and nobody GAF about your backstory, whiner."

Again, the point of "rags to riches" and other such phrases, is a celebration of the riches. The "rags" part is just contextual and is not celebrated as if this person is particularly deserving. Also, "rags" is often used as a general exaggeration to indicate that the person was not well off or wealthy - not that they were literally in rags. This is in direct contrast to the current social environment where people go into the minutia of what/when/where/how/why a person is a victim, as exemplified by this entire thread where people are debating fine details and splitting hairs. Having briefly read some of the posts in this thread, I still have little idea what this person's specific accomplishments are, but I know she was maybe abused, was hospitalized, and lived in a foster home. Again, celebration of the victim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The power of victimhood.

+1 This. Victims are the new heroes. Pathetic.

Not at all. You stink.


The initial criminal complaint in 2014 includes a statement from a detective who noted that Fierceton was treated at a hospital for bruising and swelling that Fierceton claimed her mother caused by pushing her down the stairs. She also described an incident the previous day where her mother pushed her into a wall and an incident 7 months earlier where she slammed her face on a metal table, causing black eyes. Fierceton showed the detective a photograph of her injuries.

Original PP here. My point is broader than this single incident. I'm not doubting that the student was a victim of abuse, or suffered through hurtful circumstances. My point is that our society now has an unhealthy fetish with being a victim, as if that is a source of moral virtue, to be worn like a badge of honor, paraded and celebrated in the spotlight. Regardless of where you place the fault, whether it is with the student or the admissions officers - someone embellished the victim narrative. Why did they do this? Because in our society, being a victim is power, and this is not healthy.

This goes back to Louis L'Amour if not further. Americans have always been obsessed with the idea of pulling yourself up from your bootstraps, the self-made man, making something out of nothing. Of course to be fair, the idea that it's both brand new and contemptible because your kid doesn't benefit from the narrative is also pretty classically American.

False. Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is about overcoming life's challenges without making excuses for yourself, rather than enumerating and celebrating those challenges. What was celebrated was the triumph, the success. Any hardship faced by the person was viewed as not all that relevant because everyone has their challenges and is expected to help themselves before asking others for help.

LOL sure. This is why no one ever uses the phrase "rags to riches", just "riches at the end and nobody GAF about your backstory, whiner."

Again, the point of "rags to riches" and other such phrases, is a celebration of the riches. The "rags" part is just contextual and is not celebrated as if this person is particularly deserving. Also, "rags" is often used as a general exaggeration to indicate that the person was not well off or wealthy - not that they were literally in rags. This is in direct contrast to the current social environment where people go into the minutia of what/when/where/how/why a person is a victim, as exemplified by this entire thread where people are debating fine details and splitting hairs. Having briefly read some of the posts in this thread, I still have little idea what this person's specific accomplishments are, but I know she was maybe abused, was hospitalized, and lived in a foster home. Again, celebration of the victim.

Of course not. It really is about the same wealthy people not reaping all the rewards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The power of victimhood.

+1 This. Victims are the new heroes. Pathetic.

Not at all. You stink.


The initial criminal complaint in 2014 includes a statement from a detective who noted that Fierceton was treated at a hospital for bruising and swelling that Fierceton claimed her mother caused by pushing her down the stairs. She also described an incident the previous day where her mother pushed her into a wall and an incident 7 months earlier where she slammed her face on a metal table, causing black eyes. Fierceton showed the detective a photograph of her injuries.

Original PP here. My point is broader than this single incident. I'm not doubting that the student was a victim of abuse, or suffered through hurtful circumstances. My point is that our society now has an unhealthy fetish with being a victim, as if that is a source of moral virtue, to be worn like a badge of honor, paraded and celebrated in the spotlight. Regardless of where you place the fault, whether it is with the student or the admissions officers - someone embellished the victim narrative. Why did they do this? Because in our society, being a victim is power, and this is not healthy.

This goes back to Louis L'Amour if not further. Americans have always been obsessed with the idea of pulling yourself up from your bootstraps, the self-made man, making something out of nothing. Of course to be fair, the idea that it's both brand new and contemptible because your kid doesn't benefit from the narrative is also pretty classically American.

False. Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is about overcoming life's challenges without making excuses for yourself, rather than enumerating and celebrating those challenges. What was celebrated was the triumph, the success. Any hardship faced by the person was viewed as not all that relevant because everyone has their challenges and is expected to help themselves before asking others for help.

LOL sure. This is why no one ever uses the phrase "rags to riches", just "riches at the end and nobody GAF about your backstory, whiner."

Again, the point of "rags to riches" and other such phrases, is a celebration of the riches. The "rags" part is just contextual and is not celebrated as if this person is particularly deserving. Also, "rags" is often used as a general exaggeration to indicate that the person was not well off or wealthy - not that they were literally in rags. This is in direct contrast to the current social environment where people go into the minutia of what/when/where/how/why a person is a victim, as exemplified by this entire thread where people are debating fine details and splitting hairs. Having briefly read some of the posts in this thread, I still have little idea what this person's specific accomplishments are, but I know she was maybe abused, was hospitalized, and lived in a foster home. Again, celebration of the victim.

This is absolutely backwards. Yes, rags to riches is absolutely about the rags part. It's the overcoming of obstacles that is celebrated, not just riches. Ending up with riches is not the whole point; starting from rags *is* more impressive; a person who pulls this off *is* more deserving of praise. A self-made man is more impressive specifically because he is self-made, not inheriting a family business. Louis L'amour's heroes were always poor and often also orphans, because the journey to B from A is the actual point of the story. The greater the distance traveled, the more impressive. You keep insisting up is down and black is white because you think that if someone is celebrated for overcoming something you haven't overcome, you are somehow diminished. Being impressed by people for overcoming hardship is framed as a "fetish," simply because that acclaim will never be pointed your way. Boo hoo bubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?

The multiple lies mainly. And the Rhodes Committee investigation found the hospital records did not match her alleged injuries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?

The multiple lies mainly. And the Rhodes Committee investigation found the hospital records did not match her alleged injuries.

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We know that her mom was at the top of the stairs when she fell because her mom said she was.

We know she was in the ICU. Maybe she was not intubated but she was in ICU.

We know her mom did not take her to the hospital the school did.

Her “lies” do not negate those facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?

The incident happened in 2014, a year before she went to college. So she was in foster homes for one year. But she lied about the rest of her childhood, omitting apparently to tell them she went to a $30,000 a year private school and her mother was a radiologist. And of course the prosecutor dropped the charges against the mother and said they couldn't be proven. And the Rhodes Committee said her description of her injuries were inconsistent with the hospital records. Does that answer your question?

[Anonymous]

The creepiest part about this is penn obtained copies of her medical records not from her, unless I’m mistaken. Regardless of the facts if this tawdry tale that…doesn’t seem great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?

The multiple lies mainly. And the Rhodes Committee investigation found the hospital records did not match her alleged injuries.

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We know that her mom was at the top of the stairs when she fell because her mom said she was.

We know she was in the ICU. Maybe she was not intubated but she was in ICU.

We know her mom did not take her to the hospital the school did.

Her “lies” do not negate those facts.

Right. So that should get her a Rhodes Scholarship? C'mon. Upon being questioned about the facts, and confronted with her inconsistencies, she and her attorney decided to withdraw from the scholarship.