APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The quarantine rules for close contacts are a political choice. They need to go and it's only a matter of time before they're gone.

It's an endemic virus that will be here forever. Expecting Zero COVID in schools is like expecting Zero COVID in bars, restaurants, or in society in general, or zero rhinovirus, or zero stomach flu. It's an extremist position and completely unrealistic.

If a kid is sick, don't come to school. If they're not, come to school. It's that simple.

In APS, if your kid is fully vaxxed (ours are), you don't need to quarantine for close contact. So get your kid(s) vaxxed and you're good (not sure if all jurisdictions do this yet).

Why on earth would I want to get my child vaccinated for something they're already at statistically 0 risk of? I'm like the 2/3 of other Americans not getting their 5 to 11 year old vaccinated. Please don't think you're in the majority.

So you refused varicella vaccine? flu shots?

What about polio and hep b? Zero chance your kid is at risk of catching those.

Or maybe your decision to not vaccinate your kids is politically motivated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you just shared data showing the Covid is a top 10 killer of kids but somehow you think that makes it low risk because it's not at the very top of the killer list? That makes no sense.

Kids are not supposed to die, OP.

Look at swimming pools and flu. Time to shut down pools. And flu too - shut down everything for the flu for kids too.

Pools are open but we have lifeguards and swimming lessons to guard against drowning.

Schools are open and we have Covid mitigation.

Also, I think we should do more to curb the spread of the flu in schools. Just because maybe we haven't done enough in the past to stop one contagious illness (flu) doesn't mean we should do nothing for the next one (Covid).

I thought you people were for more learning days? Think about how many learning days are needlessly lost to illness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you just shared data showing the Covid is a top 10 killer of kids but somehow you think that makes it low risk because it's not at the very top of the killer list? That makes no sense.

Kids are not supposed to die, OP.

Look at swimming pools and flu. Time to shut down pools. And flu too - shut down everything for the flu for kids too.

Sounds good to me - flu is AWFUL. Anything to reduce the risk of having to clean up vomit gets my support!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The quarantine rules for close contacts are a political choice. They need to go and it's only a matter of time before they're gone.

It's an endemic virus that will be here forever. Expecting Zero COVID in schools is like expecting Zero COVID in bars, restaurants, or in society in general, or zero rhinovirus, or zero stomach flu. It's an extremist position and completely unrealistic.

If a kid is sick, don't come to school. If they're not, come to school. It's that simple.

In APS, if your kid is fully vaxxed (ours are), you don't need to quarantine for close contact. So get your kid(s) vaxxed and you're good (not sure if all jurisdictions do this yet).

Why on earth would I want to get my child vaccinated for something they're already at statistically 0 risk of? I'm like the 2/3 of other Americans not getting their 5 to 11 year old vaccinated. Please don't think you're in the majority.

So you refused varicella vaccine? flu shots?

What about polio and hep b? Zero chance your kid is at risk of catching those.

Or maybe your decision to not vaccinate your kids is politically motivated.

The issue with Covid is that you don’t always know who has it vs. the sniffles. It’s pretty clear when a kid has the flu or norovirus to know to keep them home. What might be sniffles to your kid could be much worse for another kid.

I agree Covid will become endemic, but we’re not quite there yet with identification and treatments. Other endemic viruses mutate to become more contagious and less severe. I think we’ll get there, but I don’t see the benefit of rushing decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you just shared data showing the Covid is a top 10 killer of kids but somehow you think that makes it low risk because it's not at the very top of the killer list? That makes no sense.

Kids are not supposed to die, OP.

Look at swimming pools and flu. Time to shut down pools. And flu too - shut down everything for the flu for kids too.

Pools are open but we have lifeguards and swimming lessons to guard against drowning.

Schools are open and we have Covid mitigation.

Also, I think we should do more to curb the spread of the flu in schools. Just because maybe we haven't done enough in the past to stop one contagious illness (flu) doesn't mean we should do nothing for the next one (Covid).

I thought you people were for more learning days? Think about how many learning days are needlessly lost to illness.

Have you checked schools with little to no mitigation? They're doing great. It's only a matter of time before it happens here.

And if you want to reorder society now for the flu too, then you should be explicit about it. The vast majority are not going to agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So you refused varicella vaccine? flu shots?

What about polio and hep b? Zero chance your kid is at risk of catching those.

Or maybe your decision to not vaccinate your kids is politically motivated.

Ugh - those vaccines were out for years before they were mandated. We don't mandate flu shots either.

It's not politically motivated, I'm like the 2/3 of American parents of 5 to 11 year olds (and entire health agencies in Europe) who are waiting for more data, considering healthy kids 5 to 11 are at statistically 0 risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The issue with Covid is that you don’t always know who has it vs. the sniffles. It’s pretty clear when a kid has the flu or norovirus to know to keep them home. What might be sniffles to your kid could be much worse for another kid.

I agree Covid will become endemic, but we’re not quite there yet with identification and treatments. Other endemic viruses mutate to become more contagious and less severe. I think we’ll get there, but I don’t see the benefit of rushing decisions.

2 years is "rushing decisions" - haha. Yes, kids' mental health has to suffer while adults have 0 restrictions in society because of these completely insane parents (follow ArlStar of Smart Restart on Twitter if you want to see pure insanity; in fact, many of the posts on this thread read like she wrote them ).

Can't wait for Youngkin!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So you refused varicella vaccine? flu shots?

What about polio and hep b? Zero chance your kid is at risk of catching those.

Or maybe your decision to not vaccinate your kids is politically motivated.

Ugh - those vaccines were out for years before they were mandated. We don't mandate flu shots either.

It's not politically motivated, I'm like the 2/3 of American parents of 5 to 11 year olds (and entire health agencies in Europe) who are waiting for more data, considering healthy kids 5 to 11 are at statistically 0 risk.

We aren't talking about mandates. We are talking about your choices.

Do you really think the long-term data will show that the vaccines are MORE harmful than the actual virus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The issue with Covid is that you don’t always know who has it vs. the sniffles. It’s pretty clear when a kid has the flu or norovirus to know to keep them home. What might be sniffles to your kid could be much worse for another kid.

I agree Covid will become endemic, but we’re not quite there yet with identification and treatments. Other endemic viruses mutate to become more contagious and less severe. I think we’ll get there, but I don’t see the benefit of rushing decisions.

2 years is "rushing decisions" - haha. Yes, kids' mental health has to suffer while adults have 0 restrictions in society because of these completely insane parents (follow ArlStar of Smart Restart on Twitter if you want to see pure insanity; in fact, many of the posts on this thread read like she wrote them ).

Can't wait for Youngkin!

Crazy stalker is back. You need help.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t read the whole thread. But my second grader complains about being made to eat indoors if it’s below 55F. Not because she’s worried about COVID, but she likes being outside. It’s healthy for kids to be outside much more than they typically are in public school. But having the option of in or out would be good.

[Anonymous]

OP's only argument for doing away with mitigation is that he's tired of Covid. Sorry. Covid isn't tired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The issue with Covid is that you don’t always know who has it vs. the sniffles. It’s pretty clear when a kid has the flu or norovirus to know to keep them home. What might be sniffles to your kid could be much worse for another kid.

I agree Covid will become endemic, but we’re not quite there yet with identification and treatments. Other endemic viruses mutate to become more contagious and less severe. I think we’ll get there, but I don’t see the benefit of rushing decisions.

2 years is "rushing decisions" - haha. Yes, kids' mental health has to suffer while adults have 0 restrictions in society because of these completely insane parents (follow ArlStar of Smart Restart on Twitter if you want to see pure insanity; in fact, many of the posts on this thread read like she wrote them ).

Can't wait for Youngkin!

Crazy stalker is back. You need help.

+1000. The APEs have an unhealthy obsession with Smart Restart.

APE is too dense to see that the safety measures that SR advocated for are key to keeping schools open which is what they claimed to want last year. But really now APE seems to want to just let Covid spread. That and continue to rant about parents, Board members, Duran, APS, everything except for their hero Youngkin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the whole thread. But my second grader complains about being made to eat indoors if it’s below 55F. Not because she’s worried about COVID, but she likes being outside. It’s healthy for kids to be outside much more than they typically are in public school. But having the option of in or out would be good.

Yep, I went in a few times pre Covid during lunch and it was horrendous in the elem school cafeteria. If you want kids to socialize during lunch, keep having it outdoors. I couldn't even hear myself think in the cafeteria, let alone hear others above the din.

[Anonymous]

Me: were you cold at lunch today?
Kid: nope!
Me: did you wear your coat?
Kid: nope, I didn't need it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you just shared data showing the Covid is a top 10 killer of kids but somehow you think that makes it low risk because it's not at the very top of the killer list? That makes no sense.

Kids are not supposed to die, OP.

Look at swimming pools and flu. Time to shut down pools. And flu too - shut down everything for the flu for kids too.

Pools are open but we have lifeguards and swimming lessons to guard against drowning.

Schools are open and we have Covid mitigation.

Also, I think we should do more to curb the spread of the flu in schools. Just because maybe we haven't done enough in the past to stop one contagious illness (flu) doesn't mean we should do nothing for the next one (Covid).

I thought you people were for more learning days? Think about how many learning days are needlessly lost to illness.

Have you checked schools with little to no mitigation? They're doing great. It's only a matter of time before it happens here.

And if you want to reorder society now for the flu too, then you should be explicit about it. The vast majority are not going to agree.

Yes, they report a lot of Covid in schools, a lot of absences, illness, and high levels of stress for kids and teachers. One kid's teacher has been out so much she doesn't know who is going to teach her on a daily basis which is upsetting for her and she's getting even further behind. Another kid is so anxious about bringing Covid home to her high risk dad that the family had to get the kid in counseling which isn't really helping because kid is smart enough to know the risk is there.

You are not the only one with friends or relatives in red states with little mitigation in schools. It ain't pretty.