Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Yeah it seems more likely online kink. Jen said she couldn’t Unsee what she saw. That it was traumatic. She discovered this in the wee hours of the day and her marriage was over instantly. Family rushed over to console her. This would also explain the extreme protectiveness over the details as it would be very hurtful to Brandon’s family and associates.
I’m wondering if his porn use amped up during her travels and then became increasingly funky junk as his addiction escalated? Was he paying for online sexual services? There has been an aspect of financial betrayal in this story as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it seems more likely online kink. Jen said she couldn’t Unsee what she saw. That it was traumatic. She discovered this in the wee hours of the day and her marriage was over instantly. Family rushed over to console her. This would also explain the extreme protectiveness over the details as it would be very hurtful to Brandon’s family and associates.
I’m wondering if his porn use amped up during her travels and then became increasingly funky junk as his addiction escalated? Was he paying for online sexual services? There has been an aspect of financial betrayal in this story as well.

Just my opinion here. If this was really an online deal as you describe, I think that she checked out pretty fast. To instantly call it quits over that is a bit shallow in my opinion. If you truly love someone and take your 20 + year relationship that you profess is so perfect, and make an instant decision to walk out, speaks more to her character than his. If this was the case, she should have kept her trap shut and gotten him the he needs instead of throwing in the towel. Now, on the other hand, if it was a long term deal and he had also checked out, then I would understand. Seems to me that this relationship was on the outs for some time and this was the spark needed to burn the whole dang thing down. I just think if you have a true partner whom you love, you get them help and work on it in an effort to save your marriage. We don’t know the whole story of course and there is much more there, I’m sure, but if she abandoned him at his lowest, she’s really not a good person. It’s all about her all the time, so, in second thought, yeah she’s that shallow.

[Anonymous]

I think she had known it was going to be over a long time, but making it seem instant paints him as the bad guy and frees her from appearing to fake how wonderful her marriage was, which she was doing. “PRAY FOR US” surely only reflects badly on Brandon. Sure he may have messed up, but this was her way of making it an instant break without looking like she had done anything wrong…such as continually lie to her adoring fans.

[Anonymous]

How much does it kill Jen that she is barely mentioned on Tyler’s socials?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she had known it was going to be over a long time, but making it seem instant paints him as the bad guy and frees her from appearing to fake how wonderful her marriage was, which she was doing. “PRAY FOR US” surely only reflects badly on Brandon. Sure he may have messed up, but this was her way of making it an instant break without looking like she had done anything wrong…such as continually lie to her adoring fans.

You make a very good point. Her feelings and reputation are ultimately more important than the truth. We will protect ourselves from embarrassment I suppose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much does it kill Jen that she is barely mentioned on Tyler’s socials?????

I’m guessing a lot.

[Anonymous]

Jen is acutely aware of her branding. The value of that brand determines how much money she can make as an influencer. When she says, “that’s so on brand for me,” I cringe. So you may be right about how she framed her breakup to show her devoted fans she’s really the victim.

Narcissists are always the hero or victim, never the villain. In the last two years we’ve heard very little to suggest she sees her culpability in the destruction of the marriage. Though she admitted bad things had been happening for years that she kept to herself. Even to a large extent from her girl posse. Which tells us a bit about the real depth and safety of those ride or die friendships. Her reasoning was if she shared there would have been a cost of uncontrollable accountability. Exactly, that’s why humble vulnerability is so powerful because it gets the help to those who need it. But that wouldn’t have been on brand for her being a Christian lifestyle expert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she had known it was going to be over a long time, but making it seem instant paints him as the bad guy and frees her from appearing to fake how wonderful her marriage was, which she was doing. “PRAY FOR US” surely only reflects badly on Brandon. Sure he may have messed up, but this was her way of making it an instant break without looking like she had done anything wrong…such as continually lie to her adoring fans.

This makes a lot of sense. I was scrolling back to her Instagram recently to see what her post used to be like, and about a month before the break up, she posted this long gushing post about Brandon. Just goes to show whatever people put on the internet is only about 3% real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it seems more likely online kink. Jen said she couldn’t Unsee what she saw. That it was traumatic. She discovered this in the wee hours of the day and her marriage was over instantly. Family rushed over to console her. This would also explain the extreme protectiveness over the details as it would be very hurtful to Brandon’s family and associates.
I’m wondering if his porn use amped up during her travels and then became increasingly funky junk as his addiction escalated? Was he paying for online sexual services? There has been an aspect of financial betrayal in this story as well.

Just my opinion here. If this was really an online deal as you describe, I think that she checked out pretty fast. To instantly call it quits over that is a bit shallow in my opinion. If you truly love someone and take your 20 + year relationship that you profess is so perfect, and make an instant decision to walk out, speaks more to her character than his. If this was the case, she should have kept her trap shut and gotten him the he needs instead of throwing in the towel. Now, on the other hand, if it was a long term deal and he had also checked out, then I would understand. Seems to me that this relationship was on the outs for some time and this was the spark needed to burn the whole dang thing down. I just think if you have a true partner whom you love, you get them help and work on it in an effort to save your marriage. We don’t know the whole story of course and there is much more there, I’m sure, but if she abandoned him at his lowest, she’s really not a good person. It’s all about her all the time, so, in second thought, yeah she’s that shallow.

Yeah but do we actually know that Jen was the one that ended it? Her phrasing has always left this question up in the air. On Glennon's podcast she simply said that "staying together was not an option." She always uses the passive voice when talking about the end of her marriage. I wonder if Brandon had already found Barbie and decided to move on?

[Anonymous]

The above post is right.

Regarding Narcissists they are only either the hero or the victim in the narrative of their life. It’s one or the other. This is common in Histrionic Personality Disorder too.

Jen always had admitted to being “a little extra”. She’s hyper emotional, super performative, prone to wild mood swings, is very interested in showing off and bragging, humble or not.

[Anonymous]

My guess is the gushy thing he did was legit but he was also engaged in some nasty business on the down low. They may have been in a honeymoon phase after a recent conflict or he was feeling guilty because he knew what he was up to and over compensated.
There’s a lot of image crafting that all the influencers engage in on the regular. They are brilliant marketers. Jen didn’t get all those books, views, podcasts, fb friends by being lousy at her job. Shes gifted at selling herself and the idea of a better life done her way.
But man is Oz behind the curtain working the machinery. First of all if Brandon had a known addiction problem for 5 years then why were they frequently drinking, which lowers inhibitions and can increase acting out? If her son did get a DUI why are they all hitting the wine heavily with their grown kids at their Fri night pizza parties? You know where they drive around buzzed in golf carts and sing loudly to lgbtqia+ friendly songs. Addicted family systems affect every single member, it’s a family sicknesses. Ben and Sydney have been savior children acting as her emotional spouse at different times. Remy and Caleb take turns being the the scapegoat. Gavin hides in plain sight avoiding conflict.
I hope Jen finds an addictions counselor cause they’d cut through a-lot of the gaslighting and denial. If feels like they’ve all been worshipping at the idol of cool: tattoos, wine clubs, cigars, craft beers, trendy clothes and hairstyles, girls trips to exotic locals-all of which is fine in and of itself but taken as a whole feels like they want to be cool kids who are reclaiming their lost youth that was crushed in a religious system that allowed for none of that kind of thing. They had dry weddings with no dancing or live music, went on mission trips not girls weekends, kept their appearances in check with the Christian cultural norms. So now they are having it all even if there are casualties like Brandon’s fall from grace or Caleb’s loss of a military dream to DUI. Enough already stop and look at the big picture, people have gone down hard while you send snarky group texts. It’s not your job to fix them but you can help create a healthy environment where they stand a better chance at recovery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jen's friends are enablers. I don't think Jen could tolerate any real, penetrative accountability from any longtime real friends asking hard questions and calling out her bullshit.

Therefor her ride or die friend group has to be all in for the complete fantasy and official narrative. Remember, Jen hates pushback and quickly deletes or blocks criticism.

I feel bad for Jenny and Shonna. I got the sense from Glennon’s podcast that her friends did talk to her about what they were seeing and that she wasn’t ready to listen and probably was pretty mad about it. I doubt they will cross her over Tyler.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is the gushy thing he did was legit but he was also engaged in some nasty business on the down low. They may have been in a honeymoon phase after a recent conflict or he was feeling guilty because he knew what he was up to and over compensated.
There’s a lot of image crafting that all the influencers engage in on the regular. They are brilliant marketers. Jen didn’t get all those books, views, podcasts, fb friends by being lousy at her job. Shes gifted at selling herself and the idea of a better life done her way.
But man is Oz behind the curtain working the machinery. First of all if Brandon had a known addiction problem for 5 years then why were they frequently drinking, which lowers inhibitions and can increase acting out? If her son did get a DUI why are they all hitting the wine heavily with their grown kids at their Fri night pizza parties? You know where they drive around buzzed in golf carts and sing loudly to lgbtqia+ friendly songs. Addicted family systems affect every single member, it’s a family sicknesses. Ben and Sydney have been savior children acting as her emotional spouse at different times. Remy and Caleb take turns being the the scapegoat. Gavin hides in plain sight avoiding conflict.
I hope Jen finds an addictions counselor cause they’d cut through a-lot of the gaslighting and denial. If feels like they’ve all been worshipping at the idol of cool: tattoos, wine clubs, cigars, craft beers, trendy clothes and hairstyles, girls trips to exotic locals-all of which is fine in and of itself but taken as a whole feels like they want to be cool kids who are reclaiming their lost youth that was crushed in a religious system that allowed for none of that kind of thing. They had dry weddings with no dancing or live music, went on mission trips not girls weekends, kept their appearances in check with the Christian cultural norms. So now they are having it all even if there are casualties like Brandon’s fall from grace or Caleb’s loss of a military dream to DUI. Enough already stop and look at the big picture, people have gone down hard while you send snarky group texts. It’s not your job to fix them but you can help create a healthy environment where they stand a better chance at recovery.

Can you imagine the rage that would come if someone would tell Jen she needs to get her own alcohol consumption in check and/or change the environment for not only her children but her (sober) boyfriend?

But you are 100% right on everything you said - especially re: addiction counseling. That is what is necessary here. NO ONE comes away unscathed from addiction.

My "favorite" part of Jen's podcast with Glennon was Jen claiming to be the "human spotlight" on Brandon - like anyone would have known who Brandon Hatmaker was, if not for Jen's life in the celebrity Christian limelight. LOL. She is delusional. She may have been the "clean up crew" at times, but I cannot imagine a person more "IN THE SPOTLIGHT" constantly than Jen Hatmaker, except maybe Glennon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Me thinks the person that Jen loves most in this world is Jen.

But it’s a brittle, insecure love.

Cause deep down she knows that she’s a scheming, grasping, deeply unhappy mess with no moxie.

oh fuuu you said the M word

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t Shona and Jenny doing an intervention of sorts? They’ve been at her side since they first started ANC. Where’s Tray in all this. Although a trust fund baby, he is the most real of any of the tribe, IMO. They have got to see this unhealthy behavior of hers.

Because they are, as His Holiness TraywithanA Pruett would himself call them, "corn-eaters"