Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Someone made the comment that there is a league of Bolivians so we should get excited. My point is that in terms of "street cred," Bolivia is not a draw for the casual of serious soccer enthusiast. Again, look at the facts. Any country can produce one or two folks over its history but you will not find anyone in Latin America or elsewhere with a Tahuichi jersey let alone anyone who knows who he is. But you will find people who know Messi, Maradona, Palermo, Tevez, Neynar, Willian, Ronaldinho, Suarez, etc. Please folks, stop the nonsense. There is no smugness or generalizing. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The point here is that if you say that there is a Brazilian, Argentine, German, Italian league, people will flock to it. If you say there is a Bolvians league, they will likely yawn. Yes, Bolivia plays soccer as does a majority of countries in Latin America but if you go off its trackrecord of ranked players and placing it national team and professional teams in international tournaments, it is clearly a 3rd tier country behind every team in South America except Venezuela.

Where is the "Like" button?

agree. It doesn't mean a player from there can 'emerge' once in awhile---just like the US and Pulisic or George Best from Ireland or Salah and Egypt. But--they aren't known for reliably churning out superstars like---Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Argentina, etc...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Someone made the comment that there is a league of Bolivians so we should get excited. My point is that in terms of "street cred," Bolivia is not a draw for the casual of serious soccer enthusiast. Again, look at the facts. Any country can produce one or two folks over its history but you will not find anyone in Latin America or elsewhere with a Tahuichi jersey let alone anyone who knows who he is. But you will find people who know Messi, Maradona, Palermo, Tevez, Neynar, Willian, Ronaldinho, Suarez, etc. Please folks, stop the nonsense. There is no smugness or generalizing. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The point here is that if you say that there is a Brazilian, Argentine, German, Italian league, people will flock to it. If you say there is a Bolvians league, they will likely yawn. Yes, Bolivia plays soccer as does a majority of countries in Latin America but if you go off its trackrecord of ranked players and placing it national team and professional teams in international tournaments, it is clearly a 3rd tier country behind every team in South America except Venezuela.

Where is the "Like" button?

agree. It doesn't mean a player from there can 'emerge' once in awhile---just like the US and Pulisic or George Best from Ireland or Salah and Egypt. But--they aren't known for reliably churning out superstars like---Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Argentina, etc...

Idiot -- nobody ever claimed they were. However, it is a fact that Bolivia was one of the better teams in South America as recently as the 1990's. Youngsters who were wearing diapers in the mid-90's may not recall those days, but many of us certainly do.

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to put this discussion about Bolivia to rest. Notice which Latin American countries are ranked in the top 5 and top 20 globally and which country is not. By definition, top 20 placement means strong. Under any measurement you use, Bolivia is not a serious soccer country. That is not meant to disrespect Bolivia but if you are going to say that "Bolivia" gives an adult league any credibility you need to get serious. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html

And yet, the typical Bolivian is going to be far more into soccer than the typical American.

You could say "Scottish adult league," and you know it's going to be intense even if Scotland's national team is nowhere near where it used to be. If you want to see a weak adult league, say "Suburban Dads' adult league." Maybe the U.S. national team is a bit better than Scotland's or Bolivia's (or maybe not), but unless Christian Pulisic shows up to play, that doesn't matter.

And in this area, the memories of seeing Etcheverry and Moreno tear up MLS (and CONCACAF) are strong, so it means a little bit more than it would if it were a Bolivian league in Minnesota.

I don't disagree about the typical American but given that our nation supports, professional bass fishing in additional to the MLS, NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, etc. amd a robust amatuer league, i.e. NCAA, means the typical America has literally 20+ choices so it is not surprising that the typical America is not into soccer.

BTW, I play in several "suburban adult leaguess" and the quality is usually pretty stron (Expats, IFC/World Bank, Embassy staff) and I have yet to see a quality Bolivian. It could be that they are playing in the impressive Bolivian league.

You will have to excuse me if I just don't asign much credibility to Bolivia based o the performance of two Bolivians who played in a joke of a professional soccer league back when it was weaker. If they were that good, they would have played in the Premier, La Liga, Bundasliga or Serie A. At the very least they would been brand names in Argentina or Brazil.

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Are y'all seriously arguing on an anonymous web forum about Bolivian soccer? Men are just weird.

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Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to put this discussion about Bolivia to rest. Notice which Latin American countries are ranked in the top 5 and top 20 globally and which country is not. By definition, top 20 placement means strong. Under any measurement you use, Bolivia is not a serious soccer country. That is not meant to disrespect Bolivia but if you are going to say that "Bolivia" gives an adult league any credibility you need to get serious. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html

And yet, the typical Bolivian is going to be far more into soccer than the typical American.

You could say "Scottish adult league," and you know it's going to be intense even if Scotland's national team is nowhere near where it used to be. If you want to see a weak adult league, say "Suburban Dads' adult league." Maybe the U.S. national team is a bit better than Scotland's or Bolivia's (or maybe not), but unless Christian Pulisic shows up to play, that doesn't matter.

And in this area, the memories of seeing Etcheverry and Moreno tear up MLS (and CONCACAF) are strong, so it means a little bit more than it would if it were a Bolivian league in Minnesota.

I don't disagree about the typical American but given that our nation supports, professional bass fishing in additional to the MLS, NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, etc. amd a robust amatuer league, i.e. NCAA, means the typical America has literally 20+ choices so it is not surprising that the typical America is not into soccer.

BTW, I play in several "suburban adult leaguess" and the quality is usually pretty stron (Expats, IFC/World Bank, Embassy staff) and I have yet to see a quality Bolivian. It could be that they are playing in the impressive Bolivian league.

You will have to excuse me if I just don't asign much credibility to Bolivia based o the performance of two Bolivians who played in a joke of a professional soccer league back when it was weaker. If they were that good, they would have played in the Premier, La Liga, Bundasliga or Serie A. At the very least they would been brand names in Argentina or Brazil.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Someone made the comment that there is a league of Bolivians so we should get excited. My point is that in terms of "street cred," Bolivia is not a draw for the casual of serious soccer enthusiast. Again, look at the facts. Any country can produce one or two folks over its history but you will not find anyone in Latin America or elsewhere with a Tahuichi jersey let alone anyone who knows who he is. But you will find people who know Messi, Maradona, Palermo, Tevez, Neynar, Willian, Ronaldinho, Suarez, etc. Please folks, stop the nonsense. There is no smugness or generalizing. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The point here is that if you say that there is a Brazilian, Argentine, German, Italian league, people will flock to it. If you say there is a Bolvians league, they will likely yawn. Yes, Bolivia plays soccer as does a majority of countries in Latin America but if you go off its trackrecord of ranked players and placing it national team and professional teams in international tournaments, it is clearly a 3rd tier country behind every team in South America except Venezuela.

Where is the "Like" button?

agree. It doesn't mean a player from there can 'emerge' once in awhile---just like the US and Pulisic or George Best from Ireland or Salah and Egypt. But--they aren't known for reliably churning out superstars like---Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Argentina, etc...

Idiot -- nobody ever claimed they were. However, it is a fact that Bolivia was one of the better teams in South America as recently as the 1990's. Youngsters who were wearing diapers in the mid-90's may not recall those days, but many of us certainly do.

Having leaved in various countries in Latin America and knowing a fair number of Bolivians, I know that no one in Latin America every considered Bolivia a serious soccer country. Again, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, and Mexico are powerhouses and Bolivia has never benn mentioned in the same breath. As a matter of fact, they are not even mentioned when discussing Peru, Colombia, Paraguay or Ecuador.

Please stop! Let's admit that Bolivia is not a major soccer country relative to its neighbors and move off of this subject.

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Anonymous wrote:“I’ve never seen anyone wearing his jersey” that right there proves that you’re completely ignorant about your point yet you continue to dig your heels in.

Are you referring to the fact that DC United fans wear jerseys with the names of two Bolivians? Get real! That is my point! Count how many kids in DC are wearing Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar jerseys. You will see the same jerseys in Japan, China, Nigeria, France, Brazil and Arizona. Few people outide of the beltway know of Etcheverry or Moreno. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The country has zero credbility. Just stop!

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What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

7 subs is a lot. If your kid is not a starter, it would not be good. Playing time is very unequal as kids go up in age. It's no longer about 'fair time'. Sometimes the bench will barely see minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

7 subs is a lot. If your kid is not a starter, it would not be good. Playing time is very unequal as kids go up in age. It's no longer about 'fair time'. Sometimes the bench will barely see minutes.

If kid is one of the better ones on the team and doesn't have to worry about minutes. It's not a problem. But, if he is in the bottom 1/3, it could mean 'bench warmer'.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

Every team at 11v11 will likely carry 18 roster spots so there really is no way to avoid that.

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Anonymous wrote:Are y'all seriously arguing on an anonymous web forum about Bolivian soccer? Men are just weird.

LOL, this bolivian argument in a travel soccer thread providing player/team from almost 2 decades ago needs it's own thread. here ya go -> http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/0/724367.page#12942721

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

I think it depends on the coaching philosophy, I think we are talking u13 right. These kids are still in development mode and I think should be learning more than a single position under game conditions. Combine that movement with substitution philosophy and it could be difficult and uncomfortable for much of the game if you have 18+.

I really like 16, but I get that it is limiting to the player pool, training access and revenue.

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I don't know many coaches who roster 18 at u13. They may do 16.

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