Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

Is this a different door than the surviving girl reported that he shot out the window to gain access?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

You've got to be effing kidding me. This is not on a teacher. GTFO with that nonsense.

It's deflection and spin from idiots who would rather blame anybody rather than admit that America is sick with too many guns in the hands of people who use them to perpetrate crimes.

You’re reading things that aren’t there. Of course guns are the problem. Of course we shouldn’t have to barricade schools. But if I were the person who made the mistake that allowed this person to access the building even inadvertently, I would feel terrible. That’s why I have mixed feelings. He/she should have followed the rules so I am bothered that they didn’t take basic precautions serially, but I am certain that there was absolutely no ill intent on their part and we SHOULD live in a world where we don’t need to lock our children up and thus I feel great sympathy for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

Is this a different door than the surviving girl reported that he shot out the window to gain access?

Sounds like the classrooms have exterior doors (and windows) too. It’s not clear which door he used to enter the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

Is this a different door than the surviving girl reported that he shot out the window to gain access?

He had an assault rifle. A locked door would not have turned him away. Christ. The psycho would have blasted through it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

+100

It's stupid to blame the open door for this.

Did you know in other countries they don't lock doors? And they also don't have active shooter drills.

My child was raised in America and I was mortified that starting the age of 5 she had to practice to hide from people to shoot her. How is this normalized in our society?
She grew up with a notion that she may be shot at any minute. How is this normal?!!

What? Without an open door it would have been more difficult to obtain entry to the school. In other words, obtaining entry would have taken time he didn’t really have after crashing the truck a losing the element of surprise. Not impossible, but still more difficult and potentially allowing the school to take some lockdown measures and exposing him to discovery by law enforcement. Police were on scene while he remained in the parking lot and a locked entrances would have been ideal for taking him down. He had no training or discipline and was in panic mode, shooting rounds randomly at those who witnessed the crash and the school. I have no doubt the teacher will suffer guilt for years to come but there are reasons for safety protocols. And I’m sorry their need to get a phone trumped training snd common sense, particularly if the school had been tied to a conspiracy to commit murder in recent years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

Is this a different door than the surviving girl reported that he shot out the window to gain access?

He had an assault rifle. A locked door would not have turned him away. Christ. The psycho would have blasted through it.

Go get AR15 and report back to us after you try to “blast through” a steel fire door. Tell us how long it takes and many rounds, Captain America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

+100

It's stupid to blame the open door for this.

Did you know in other countries they don't lock doors? And they also don't have active shooter drills.

My child was raised in America and I was mortified that starting the age of 5 she had to practice to hide from people to shoot her. How is this normalized in our society?
She grew up with a notion that she may be shot at any minute. How is this normal?!!

What? Without an open door it would have been more difficult to obtain entry to the school. In other words, obtaining entry would have taken time he didn’t really have after crashing the truck a losing the element of surprise. Not impossible, but still more difficult and potentially allowing the school to take some lockdown measures and exposing him to discovery by law enforcement. Police were on scene while he remained in the parking lot and a locked entrances would have been ideal for taking him down. He had no training or discipline and was in panic mode, shooting rounds randomly at those who witnessed the crash and the school. I have no doubt the teacher will suffer guilt for years to come but there are reasons for safety protocols. And I’m sorry their need to get a phone trumped training snd common sense, particularly if the school had been tied to a conspiracy to commit murder in recent years.

“Element of surprise”?!

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe it is now completely normalized that we all need to be hyper vigilant to armed shooters at all times so they don’t get “the element of surprise”. WTF has happened to this country. No other developed country thinks this is normal.

The problem is guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

Is this a different door than the surviving girl reported that he shot out the window to gain access?

Sounds like the classrooms have exterior doors (and windows) too. It’s not clear which door he used to enter the classroom.

There is no indication of exterior doors for classrooms unless they open to a courtyard of sorts. It sounds like he gained entry to the classroom through an interior door and was able to then move to a second classroom via a interconnnecting passage with doors for shared bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

It’s looking like the Uvalde police department all left their balls at home when they went to work that day.

Cowards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

+1. The DPS guy said they believed the shooter was barricaded in and the children were safe and that's why they decided not to go in immediately. That wasn't a wrong call. That was objectively WRONG because they didn't have all the kids out of the school or otherwise accounted for. I don't need any level of law enforcement training to tell me that. That's just common sense.

Not only can I not believe this decision was made at all, I can't believe 19 police officers STOOD IN THE HALLWAY for 40 minutes and did absolutely nothing to help the kids. WTH?

The story keeps changing. Now they are saying they didn’t go in because they thought all of the kids were dead. Despite a little girl calling every few minutes begging for help.

[Anonymous]

The police department (and some posters on here) are blaming the teachers for the dead kids. JFC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

+100

It's stupid to blame the open door for this.

Did you know in other countries they don't lock doors? And they also don't have active shooter drills.

My child was raised in America and I was mortified that starting the age of 5 she had to practice to hide from people to shoot her. How is this normalized in our society?
She grew up with a notion that she may be shot at any minute. How is this normal?!!

What? Without an open door it would have been more difficult to obtain entry to the school. In other words, obtaining entry would have taken time he didn’t really have after crashing the truck a losing the element of surprise. Not impossible, but still more difficult and potentially allowing the school to take some lockdown measures and exposing him to discovery by law enforcement. Police were on scene while he remained in the parking lot and a locked entrances would have been ideal for taking him down. He had no training or discipline and was in panic mode, shooting rounds randomly at those who witnessed the crash and the school. I have no doubt the teacher will suffer guilt for years to come but there are reasons for safety protocols. And I’m sorry their need to get a phone trumped training snd common sense, particularly if the school had been tied to a conspiracy to commit murder in recent years.

Oh, so you missed the part where he was wandering around outside the school, shooting at witnesses and the building, for TWELVE MINUTES after crashing the truck? He had all the time in the world.

Which is why I am skeptical of this propping the door open story. When I’m the timeline is that supposed to have occurred? Did the teacher exit the building to get her phone while someone was shooting a gun outside? Did the teacher exit the school, hear gunshots, and then run away without warning anyone? Or were they back inside and forgot to close the door?

I’m guessing that unless a teacher comes forward to say this happened we will learn that it was just speculation and either the door was regularly unlocked, or he shot through it, or something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

+100

It's stupid to blame the open door for this.

Did you know in other countries they don't lock doors? And they also don't have active shooter drills.

My child was raised in America and I was mortified that starting the age of 5 she had to practice to hide from people to shoot her. How is this normalized in our society?
She grew up with a notion that she may be shot at any minute. How is this normal?!!

What? Without an open door it would have been more difficult to obtain entry to the school. In other words, obtaining entry would have taken time he didn’t really have after crashing the truck a losing the element of surprise. Not impossible, but still more difficult and potentially allowing the school to take some lockdown measures and exposing him to discovery by law enforcement. Police were on scene while he remained in the parking lot and a locked entrances would have been ideal for taking him down. He had no training or discipline and was in panic mode, shooting rounds randomly at those who witnessed the crash and the school. I have no doubt the teacher will suffer guilt for years to come but there are reasons for safety protocols. And I’m sorry their need to get a phone trumped training snd common sense, particularly if the school had been tied to a conspiracy to commit murder in recent years.

“Element of surprise”?!

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe it is now completely normalized that we all need to be hyper vigilant to armed shooters at all times so they don’t get “the element of surprise”. WTF has happened to this country. No other developed country thinks this is normal.

The problem is guns.

My kids attended elementary school less than a mile from the US Capitol. We lived through Sandy Hook. We lived through a mass shooting nearby at the navy Yard. We lived through the dozens of other school shootings. The school is locked down periodically due to a suspicious package or an incident at the Capitol Complex, which happen with greater frequency than you might otherwise expect. Sometimes you need to think about difficult things. And trust that police have the training to protect your children should the need arise.

[Anonymous]

First they called teachers pedophile groomers. But that wasn't enough, I guess, so now they blame the mass murder of children on teachers.