DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

This thread should be renamed "Unemployed DA Fan Boy Club"

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The GDA girls were also told there would be 2 teams. It's not "telling" that all the players in the same age group were told essentially the same thing, that there would be room for everyone. They were all given the same message so that no one would leave to another club.

Now what might be "telling" is if there is some sort of backlash from the GDA girls/families in all 3 clubs. If, as reported here by PP, this was just a money grab and not for the stated reasons, this would be occurring.

That may depend on how many families believe PDA is the only "real" place to take their kids to play. People often forget that all youth clubs are a means and not an end. I'm not saying PDA is good or bad, but what I am saying is if you think you have to be at PDA and follow where they lead, you stay. If you believe the DA is a better platform because of year round programming, you may look for something else. If you believe DA is the best, but are afraid to try something else, you may stay even if you are unhappy with the decision. There are so many factors that go into player club decisions, that it's hard to predict what players will do - or why. As this very discussion board reflects.

That said, I have noted that Cedar Stars is 45 minutes away. They did beat FCV recently in some of the age groups, which I find interesting.

Why? Cedar stars beat PDA and a lot more. They are a really good club. PDA is a big brand name. They don't have all the talent in Northern jersey.
PDA is on par with its competition on average. You are giving them too much credit.

Spirit 16/17s beat a star studded FCV team that is their clubs hallmark team. Are you surprised by that? I was..but probabley shouldn't have been.

Point being..dont judge a club..good or bad...on past reputation or a single age group.

By interesting, I meant it as a compliment. I didn't know Cedar because as they weren't in the ECNL, we never played them. But now we have. So I am in fact suggesting - with compliments - that perhaps some PDA players may move over to Cedar Stars.

Please people, do not assume the most malignant interpretation possible for every post. Assume the best, and you will get a return on it.

My bad.

I agree.

No problem. This board has been very hostile lately, so that has created a very confrontational atmosphere.

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Just to put things into perspective US Soccer started the DA for Girls this year with 0 teams, today the have 70 clubs+ 9 which are directly tied with the NWSL pro team (Thorns in our state).
They (US Soccer) accepted 60+ existing clubs across the nation into this top tier platform the majority of the clubs they gained formerly played in the US Club league/'showcase' (ecnl) others played in usys leagues/competition.

Due to the massive exodus of high profile clubs to the DA for 2017-18, the outcomes have marginalized the US Club leagues and the USYS leagues to the point neither are the premier platform these days, in US Club's case it has become an expensive travel league devoid of the rich talent it once had.

Look no further at the worst to first standing of an Oregon outlier club in it's US Club league conference. Same coaches, same players somehow this year across the board they are 'better'? When the best clubs leave the bottom rises. This isn't rocket science.

Present day having just 3 clubs from a pool of 70 clubs move out of the DA and back to a usys or us club league platform does not signal the death of US Soccer and it's DA.

People fail to realize these clubs are business's not development factories for young girls and they make decisions that keep their staffs paid and feed the parents whatever narrative fits their business goals. It's tiresome and bothersome for families on the whole all in the sick struggle to get that magical soccer dollar.

USYS & US Club are entities that serve this countries entire population of rec to classic & premier players.

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Copy and paste from put of state forum...but still applicable

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They lost 3 big dual ECNL -DA clubs but ECNL lost like 30 of the best clubs in the nation. You want to talk net gains?

The propaganda is ridiculous. They claim they are dropping out of GDA because of restrictions in development (sub rule, playing time) yet they keep their boys in BDA with the same restrictions. You see the hypocrisy?

PDA - ECNL board member
HAWKS - ECNL board member
VDA - ECNL board member

Geez, spare us the indignation. The choice on the boys side is very different than the girls side. They can't just drop BDA because there is not a suitable alternative.

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Yum. I can taste the Kool Aid flowing. These 3 former DA clubs just moved to classic & premier player soccer. These moves don't mean anything. Hang on, I need another sip.

With compliments, these players will move to DA clubs immediately. I come to this board refill and a laugh.

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Lol..not an FCV dad. I'm not saying ECNL sucks. My kid played ECNL. I'm saying Loudoun has and always will continue to lose their kids..unless ECNL, nationwide, is determined to be the top league. As far as NOVA, ECNL is 2nd tier 04 and below

I don't know how you can tell where the cross over is. FCV 04GDA is probably stronger than both local ENCL clubs. Both Spirit and VDA 04's are not. I've seen them all play. In the fall, we will have to see where the 05's shake out.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

FCV 04 would destroy McLean and BRYC 04 ECNL.
VDA and Spirit would also beat both.

If you want to wait to see where the 05s shake out thats fine. But you'll be late to the table. People have told you many times where the talent is going. You just don't want to accept it.

LOL who said anything about talent moving?. The crossover point matters not, since neither claim can be backed up. I did see the FCV 05's tied McLean earlier this year in a showcase FWIW.

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They lost 3 big dual ECNL -DA clubs but ECNL lost like 30 of the best clubs in the nation. You want to talk net gains?

The propaganda is ridiculous. They claim they are dropping out of GDA because of restrictions in development (sub rule, playing time) yet they keep their boys in BDA with the same restrictions. You see the hypocrisy?

PDA - ECNL board member
HAWKS - ECNL board member
VDA - ECNL board member

Geez, spare us the indignation. The choice on the boys side is very different than the girls side. They can't just drop BDA because there is not a suitable alternative.

They said they left because of platform issues, such as combined age groups and re-entry restrictions. So, yes they can. If they don't like that structure, then they don't like that structure. Otherwise, whatever else the reason may be, it cannot be a credible argument that they left because of how the DA is structured.

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They lost 3 big dual ECNL -DA clubs but ECNL lost like 30 of the best clubs in the nation. You want to talk net gains?

The propaganda is ridiculous. They claim they are dropping out of GDA because of restrictions in development (sub rule, playing time) yet they keep their boys in BDA with the same restrictions. You see the hypocrisy?

PDA - ECNL board member
HAWKS - ECNL board member
VDA - ECNL board member

Geez, spare us the indignation. The choice on the boys side is very different than the girls side. They can't just drop BDA because there is not a suitable alternative.

They said they left because of platform issues, such as combined age groups and re-entry restrictions. So, yes they can. If they don't like that structure, then they don't like that structure. Otherwise, whatever else the reason may be, it cannot be a credible argument that they left because of how the DA is structured.

+1000 - Finally some common sense on this board.

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Not a suitable alternative? That's your argument for them? Want me to name a suitable alternative?

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Lol..not an FCV dad. I'm not saying ECNL sucks. My kid played ECNL. I'm saying Loudoun has and always will continue to lose their kids..unless ECNL, nationwide, is determined to be the top league. As far as NOVA, ECNL is 2nd tier 04 and below

I don't know how you can tell where the cross over is. FCV 04GDA is probably stronger than both local ENCL clubs. Both Spirit and VDA 04's are not. I've seen them all play. In the fall, we will have to see where the 05's shake out.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

FCV 04 would destroy McLean and BRYC 04 ECNL.
VDA and Spirit would also beat both.

If you want to wait to see where the 05s shake out thats fine. But you'll be late to the table. People have told you many times where the talent is going. You just don't want to accept it.

LOL who said anything about talent moving?. The crossover point matters not, since neither claim can be backed up. I did see the FCV 05's tied McLean earlier this year in a showcase FWIW.

Ummm I don’t think McLean 05 Girls played FCV this year. I could be wrong. Maybe my kid played a game nobody saw. But the larger point is valid.

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I was wondering why these teams left DA until - wait a second, they said why. In the article. That you all read.

Why not the boys too? Name another national platform on the boys side? There is not one. There you go.

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Lol..not an FCV dad. I'm not saying ECNL sucks. My kid played ECNL. I'm saying Loudoun has and always will continue to lose their kids..unless ECNL, nationwide, is determined to be the top league. As far as NOVA, ECNL is 2nd tier 04 and below

I don't know how you can tell where the cross over is. FCV 04GDA is probably stronger than both local ENCL clubs. Both Spirit and VDA 04's are not. I've seen them all play. In the fall, we will have to see where the 05's shake out.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

FCV 04 would destroy McLean and BRYC 04 ECNL.
VDA and Spirit would also beat both.

If you want to wait to see where the 05s shake out thats fine. But you'll be late to the table. People have told you many times where the talent is going. You just don't want to accept it.

LOL who said anything about talent moving?. The crossover point matters not, since neither claim can be backed up. I did see the FCV 05's tied McLean earlier this year in a showcase FWIW.

You can't be real. YOU CAN'T NOT BE FOR REAL. FCV 05s is not the same as FCV 05 DA for next year. Are you not paying attention at all. This is why this thread gets out of hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why these teams left DA until - wait a second, they said why. In the article. That you all read.

Why not the boys too? Name another national platform on the boys side? There is not one. There you go.

But there are multiple national platforms on the boys side that allows for the freedom they want. I'm sure they're experienced enough to know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why these teams left DA until - wait a second, they said why. In the article. That you all read.

Why not the boys too? Name another national platform on the boys side? There is not one. There you go.

Oh right! Because every PR statement is always 100% truthful. Said no one ever.

National platform outside of the DA = Boys ECNL. Year one, and they are all across the nation.