Trump Orders National Guard to Washington, D.C., and Takeover of City’s Police

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

I have noticed that when I call the random trolling I've seen out, they suddenly stop posting for awhile. So likely yeah, a rando from some other state who just likes to troll or else the GOP is paying for astroturfing (which I believe they would)
BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

DP to add, do you even live here? There are random MAGAs from other states trolling and astroturfing this forum. I don't go on Memphis forums to tell them what their city needs. It is bizarre.

They have no purpose if they aren’t “sticking it to the libs.” It’s a sad life for them, but I just count myself lucky to not be one of them. Can you imagine? You have all three branches of government and you are still having tantrums?

It would be better if we can figure out a way to peacefully divorce ourselves from the red states.

In the real world normal people have been divorcing themselves from blue states for five years.

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Anonymous wrote:1,841 total arrests have been made since the start of the operation on Thursday, August 7.

16 known gang members have been arrested – including MS-13 and TDA gang members.

5 missing children have been rescued.

188 firearms have been seized.

These are not particularly impressive numbers given the amount of national guard members that have been stationed to DC. So many of them have been asked to do stuff like pick up trash and stand watch at low-crime metro stations. Trump is not being efficient in how he uses the Natl Guard

Yup, any they are starting to have morale problems.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/04/politics/national-guardsmen-deployed-to-dc-balance

I actually feel bad for the guard members involved in this debacle. They are away from their jobs and families for Trump theater. I can't imagine it's very long before some of them start speaking about that publicly.

Yeah me too. The Natl Guard woman in this article is away from her baby in Tennessee to patrol around DC. Yes this is what they sign up, but this is a BS assignment.

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lol someone explain to me why the stupid-face camo guys are posted up in the well-lit, highly visible, already attended INSIDE area of metro stations at night right by the station booth … and not outside in the dark where one might actually get mugged after getting off late at night? This is all so clearly meant to threaten us.

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Anonymous wrote:lol someone explain to me why the stupid-face camo guys are posted up in the well-lit, highly visible, already attended INSIDE area of metro stations at night right by the station booth … and not outside in the dark where one might actually get mugged after getting off late at night? This is all so clearly meant to threaten us.

104 murders as of September 4. That’s 4 since August 12 when the Feds came in. Your anecdotes and needless denigration of soldiers (“stupid face camo guys”) doesn’t change the murder stats.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:lol someone explain to me why the stupid-face camo guys are posted up in the well-lit, highly visible, already attended INSIDE area of metro stations at night right by the station booth … and not outside in the dark where one might actually get mugged after getting off late at night? This is all so clearly meant to threaten us.

104 murders as of September 4. That’s 4 since August 12 when the Feds came in. Your anecdotes and needless denigration of soldiers (“stupid face camo guys”) doesn’t change the murder stats.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

The murders weren't happening in the places where the guard are, so it must be something else.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

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Anonymous wrote:lol someone explain to me why the stupid-face camo guys are posted up in the well-lit, highly visible, already attended INSIDE area of metro stations at night right by the station booth … and not outside in the dark where one might actually get mugged after getting off late at night? This is all so clearly meant to threaten us.

104 murders as of September 4. That’s 4 since August 12 when the Feds came in. Your anecdotes and needless denigration of soldiers (“stupid face camo guys”) doesn’t change the murder stats.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

The murder stats were already going down and that has nothing to do with Jeb and Jebette standing around like malevolent morons fully armed in a commuter rail station.

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Anonymous wrote:lol someone explain to me why the stupid-face camo guys are posted up in the well-lit, highly visible, already attended INSIDE area of metro stations at night right by the station booth … and not outside in the dark where one might actually get mugged after getting off late at night? This is all so clearly meant to threaten us.

104 murders as of September 4. That’s 4 since August 12 when the Feds came in. Your anecdotes and needless denigration of soldiers (“stupid face camo guys”) doesn’t change the murder stats.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

The murder stats were already going down and that has nothing to do with Jeb and Jebette standing around like malevolent morons fully armed in a commuter rail station.

Really? There were 100 hundred murders in 2025 as of August 11. That’s 14 murders per month and was more than 10x New York’s murder rate this year.

Do better. Have higher standards. Put more primacy on American citizens needlessly being murdered.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

When DC had its funding in 2024 it had 187 murders. New York City had 382. New York has 10x as many people.

In what world was the job being done considering this is the nation’s capital and home to most of the rest of the world’s embassies? Shouldn’t we be at least as safe as New York or Los Angeles? Are you satisfied that our murder rare compares instead to cities like Memphis and St Louis?

To be a world class city you need to be safer. Period.

And no one is advocating for a police state. But it has been too bad for too long. Something needed to be done. Hopefully this moves the needle and law enforcement and police presence is taken more seriously from now on. Because it is objectively working to lower the murder rate.

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The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Try again Jeb. They are placed where there is zero crime and no need for foot patrol. It is 100 a MAGA show of force. Trump aspires to be Duterte.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

This x 100. Less MPD working on game nights at Nationals Park and on weekends on U Street frees them up to go after the murderers and hard core criminals. This isn’t rocket science.