VYS Soccer - better or worse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

then why brag? It's not a marker of a club's success to have a team win the bottom division of a tournament. it's great for the kids and they should be happy and proud, but winning a bronze flight doesn't make you a better club than one whose teams lose in platinum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

then why brag? It's not a marker of a club's success to have a team win the bottom division of a tournament. it's great for the kids and they should be happy and proud, but winning a bronze flight doesn't make you a better club than one whose teams lose in platinum

For the VYS/ Arlington scrimmages: The VYS 07 & 06 teams are really struggling. They are lucky Arlington didn’t score 20+ on each of them.

Didn't the 06 boys team win their Jeff Cup bracket?

Yeah, that is not bragging.
But it is an opening for someone to come in and say they aren't that good. Laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

then why brag? It's not a marker of a club's success to have a team win the bottom division of a tournament. it's great for the kids and they should be happy and proud, but winning a bronze flight doesn't make you a better club than one whose teams lose in platinum

For the VYS/ Arlington scrimmages: The VYS 07 & 06 teams are really struggling. They are lucky Arlington didn’t score 20+ on each of them.

Didn't the 06 boys team win their Jeff Cup bracket?

Yeah, that is not bragging.
But it is an opening for someone to come in and say they aren't that good. Laughable.

I was curious about them winning https://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=73243&Gender=Boys&Age=14 You have to scroll way down, because they literally won the bottom division

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

then why brag? It's not a marker of a club's success to have a team win the bottom division of a tournament. it's great for the kids and they should be happy and proud, but winning a bronze flight doesn't make you a better club than one whose teams lose in platinum

For the VYS/ Arlington scrimmages: The VYS 07 & 06 teams are really struggling. They are lucky Arlington didn’t score 20+ on each of them.

Didn't the 06 boys team win their Jeff Cup bracket?

Yeah, that is not bragging.
But it is an opening for someone to come in and say they aren't that good. Laughable.

I was curious about them winning https://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=73243&Gender=Boys&Age=14 You have to scroll way down, because they literally won the bottom division

So, now that we have established that the VYS 06 boys are not world beaters and winners of the LOWEST Jeff Cup (not really Jeff Cup) BRACKET... LOWEST, LOW of the LOW.
Honestly, they should just quit soccer. LOL

What were we talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no "seeding" in NCSL until U11 Spring Season. Its random outside of that. VYS Silver Team was matched up with the #1 seed from some other clubs and got hammered where as the VYS Red team somehow had lower seeds.

Absolute nonsense. They try to match strong v strong. This is completely false.

Not nonsense, go in and look. If you notice U9, U10, U11 uses letters with teams mixed. Changes to numbers and seedings starting U12. Experienced this first hand and had reached out to NCSL to ask about it b/c the matches were so off.

We played with VYS Red for two years in NCSL (U9-10). VYS Red would play top team at most clubs, VYS Black would play their second team. VYS Red circuit in fall and winter would be top teams from other top clubs in NCSL.

If I remember correctly, when we played Vienna (and other teams) back at U9 and U10 (not terribly long ago (maybe 4-5 years ago) in NCSL, the divisions were basically based on geographic regions so Division X was like Reston, Great Falls (before merger), Herndon, Alexandria, Vienna, Springfield, PAC, etc. Each club had two teams in this Division and A teams played A teams and B teams played B teams and the games were back to back. So it's definitely not random. Now of course, there were some blow outs and some tight games. And if I remember correctly, Vienna didn't "tier" their teams. I'm not sure how they determined who was on red and who was on Black but Red was only slightly better than Black back then....which didn't make sense because I understand that they didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings but their Red team would get beat up on by other team's A teams and their Black team would beat up on other Club's B teams.

I'd say there was a pretty big difference between red and black for my son's year, but for the age group ahead of him, there was less of a difference. In both cases, Red was really competitive against top clubs/teams in the area, and then top end of black moved to red as teams progressed to U11 and beyond.

[Anonymous]

It is really pathetic to see adults coming on this forum to bash youth soccer teams. My son does not play at VYS, but he is in 2006 age group and we live in the area so over the years I have become familiar with many of the area 2006 boys teams. The VYS 2006 boys team is a solid travel team. All the Jefferson Cup brackets have strong teams since they have enough applicants to screen the teams. Not sure why it is necessary to denigrate the accomplishment of winning a Jefferson Cup bracket. Look at Youth Soccer Rankings and you will seen the team is at a respectable competitive level for high school play. A set of players from that VYS age group have moved to DA and ECNL teams over the years which is usually the case at VYS. There are still some really strong players on that team the last time I saw them play including IMO the strongest VYS 2006 player I have seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is really pathetic to see adults coming on this forum to bash youth soccer teams. My son does not play at VYS, but he is in 2006 age group and we live in the area so over the years I have become familiar with many of the area 2006 boys teams. The VYS 2006 boys team is a solid travel team. All the Jefferson Cup brackets have strong teams since they have enough applicants to screen the teams. Not sure why it is necessary to denigrate the accomplishment of winning a Jefferson Cup bracket. Look at Youth Soccer Rankings and you will seen the team is at a respectable competitive level for high school play. A set of players from that VYS age group have moved to DA and ECNL teams over the years which is usually the case at VYS. There are still some really strong players on that team the last time I saw them play including IMO the strongest VYS 2006 player I have seen.

I agree with you on many things but you have to realize that some pathetic parents come on here to spread BS, half truths, deceive, slander, etc and some people like to call them out on it. I don't believe anyone has anything against this particular team or the kids. I'm sure it's a great bunch of kids. With that said...I have to question what your angle is by repeating that you think the strongest VYS 06 you have seen is still on the team. What is your angle? I think you are trying to be all righteous and then want to take a parting shot at the 06s that have left the team by implying that they weren't the strongest players and, although it might be true, why do you have to point that out? Now you are bringing in individual kids into the mix which is frickin wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is really pathetic to see adults coming on this forum to bash youth soccer teams. My son does not play at VYS, but he is in 2006 age group and we live in the area so over the years I have become familiar with many of the area 2006 boys teams. The VYS 2006 boys team is a solid travel team. All the Jefferson Cup brackets have strong teams since they have enough applicants to screen the teams. Not sure why it is necessary to denigrate the accomplishment of winning a Jefferson Cup bracket. Look at Youth Soccer Rankings and you will seen the team is at a respectable competitive level for high school play. A set of players from that VYS age group have moved to DA and ECNL teams over the years which is usually the case at VYS. There are still some really strong players on that team the last time I saw them play including IMO the strongest VYS 2006 player I have seen.

I agree with you on many things but you have to realize that some pathetic parents come on here to spread BS, half truths, deceive, slander, etc and some people like to call them out on it. I don't believe anyone has anything against this particular team or the kids. I'm sure it's a great bunch of kids. With that said...I have to question what your angle is by repeating that you think the strongest VYS 06 you have seen is still on the team. What is your angle? I think you are trying to be all righteous and then want to take a parting shot at the 06s that have left the team by implying that they weren't the strongest players and, although it might be true, why do you have to point that out? Now you are bringing in individual kids into the mix which is frickin wrong.

Sorry I can see how it came across that way. All of the players who left to go to DA and now ECNL teams are certainly strong players. They would not have made the teams they are on if they were not. Good luck to them in reaching their goals. I was responding to a repeated anecdote on these boards (not just this thread) where if a local team is smoked by a super club like Arlington then it is strongly implied (if not directly stated) that the club, team, and players are all sub par and below any reasonable competitive level of play. From what I have seen that is just not the case.

[Anonymous]

I live in Vienna and have seen many teams both boys and girls over the years. I would say that each team (for the most part) has a few players that would make ECNL or (former) DA teams. They choose to play in Vienna for various reasons. Some of them have parents that are happy just paying locally with friends and like their carpools. Others are multi-sport kids and Vienna offers much more flexibility if the practices and games conflict. I have a son who plays both soccer and lacrosse. He loves both but likes lacrosse a tiny bit better. Playing for Vienna allows him to play both. If he played for Arlington he would have to quit lacrosse or at the least prioritize soccer even though lacrosse is his preferred sport.

[Anonymous]

VYS announced a winter outdoor house league. Are other clubs going to do this also?

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VYS announced a winter outdoor house league. Are other clubs going to do this also?

Cool -- more reffing work.

Missed the 'r' first time I read this

[Anonymous]

How did the U13G VYS vs Mclean game go yesterday?

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:I either coached or coached against a bunch of players on the VYS 06 team, and I have no idea how good they are.

Neither do you.

Either way, the team is in the middle of a downward spiral. They lost 0-3 to "powerhouse" CYA yesterday.

[Anonymous]

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:I either coached or coached against a bunch of players on the VYS 06 team, and I have no idea how good they are.

Neither do you.

Either way, the team is in the middle of a downward spiral. They lost 0-3 to "powerhouse" CYA yesterday.

Wow. Sounds like CYA is definitely trending upwards these days.