Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Enrollment by Race/Ethnicity 2022–2023[2]
White Asian Black Hispanic Two or More Races American Indian/Alaska Native
711 732 224 157 80 4
During the 2022–2023 school year, the school's racial composition was 37.3% white, 38.3% Asian, 11.8% Black, and 8.2% Hispanic.[8] Multiracial students made up less than 5% of the student body, as did Native and Pacific Islander American students.[8] The overall size of the student body was 1,911.[8]


Interesting past few years.

On October 9, 2020, former football coach Christopher Papadopoulos was sentenced to 18 months in jail with 5 years of probation with his addition to the Maryland sex offender registry. Papadopolous pleaded guilty to one count of sexual abuse of a minor and one count of fourth-degree sex offense. These charges stemmed from his sexual assault of several 17-year-old minors in his home in Gaithersburg.[14]

On November 2, 2021, a report of a sexual assault occurring in the school's locker room was received by Montgomery County Police. Members of the school's varsity team were allegedly involved in this incident. Several students and staff members were interviewed in an investigation with officers from the police department's Special Victims Investigation Division. However, the investigation yielded no evidence of an occurrence of a sexual assault.[15]

On April 18, 2024, an 18-year-old student was arrested by the Montgomery County Police Department for shooting threats made against the school. The FBI contacted the MCPD, after which they proceeded to obtain a search warrant to investigate the student's home, where they discovered violent drawings and documents relating to mass violence, including a 129-page long manifesto, containing numerous threats of violence against the student population and staff of Wootton High School.[16]

In December, 2024, Douglas Nelson, the principal of the high school, was placed on administrative leave, due to his failure to properly respond to reports of racism amongst the student body. Dr. Joseph Bostic has taken his place as acting principal.[17]

Its infrastructure is aging, a cause of concern for many students and teachers alike. It was found to have lead in its water, but those issues have not been fixed as of 2018.[18] However, Montgomery County Public School Student Member of the Board candidates of 2023 are promising to fix this.[19]

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Anonymous wrote:If they do a total rezone just send Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill all to Crown. Dufief's main issue initially with A-D was that they were the only ones being pulled from the Wootton cluster and it was being done in a way that made no sense. If it's all three schools that are clearly closer to Crown than Wootton, have at it.

Also, it's becoming more and more obvious that Fallsmead/Lakewood care more about Wootton staying on the Parkway than keeping the cluster together. The North Potomac schools that don't really care about Option H have been quiet and going along with anti-H anyway, but now that it's clear no one cares about keeping them in the cluster hopefully they get more vocal about getting their kids into a safe school. Because this sudden change to "actually, we don't want repairs" doesn't help the kids.


Technically, Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill may be closer to Crown HS than to Wootton HS. If they split Wootton like this by rezoning, pull out some to Crown and take some in to Wootton, both Crown HS and Wootton HS exist may work. I am sure Dufief would be fine with this option since they are not alone.

I would say when they build so many houses all over everywhere in MoCo, rezoning is unavoidable.


Yeah, I was looking at the map, that seems to be the case. Seems like Wootton should be folded into the Rockville System(s) for the families that are actually in Rockville.

It is really disingenuous to take families in Rockville, who are paying to Rockville taxes for Rockville amenities and ship them 3 miles away to Gaithersburg.

Pretty simple, take the outer county residents who bought into car commuting, send them to Crown their only issue is likely demographics. They knew what they were signing up for before they bought when it comes to car commuting. Leave the ones in Rockville at Wootton, fix the school with the light attendance, then rebalance Wootton, Richard Montgomery and Rockville High School as necessary.

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Rockville high school isn’t even a part of the discussion. Also it’s no where near any of the neighborhoods in question.


Yes, it is all the affected neighborhoods would be in Rockville. You would need to rebalance the schools. RM is overcrowded and RHS is near capacity so it would make sense if they ended up back filling Wootton with a generally westward migration. RHS->RM->Wootton then a northward migration Wootton-> crown, but only in the outer county areas like Travilah.


Do you know how this works? Clearly not.


I like that idea though. The Wootton walkers are happy because they get the location and that’s clearly the only thing they care about. The more open-minded parts of the cluster go to the new school. Those are backfilled with overflow from RMHS and RHS who would be happy to go to Wootton (though it wouldn’t be “Wootton” anymore). Sounds like a win-win to me.


Wootton cannot have those students join their school as Wootton parents think they are inferior.


They have to pick a lane and they have already abandoned half their cluster who contributed to its reputation. You want the dumpy school on Wootton parkway? Then you risk boundaries being changed around you. But you can walk!


So you want the boundaries to make no geographical sense whatsoever? Clearly a fan of bussing kids. RM makes sense to redistrict some to Wootton. The neighborhoods that feed to RHS are too far away for it to make sense. They would pass two high schools on the way-which is the whole problem with this boundary study in the first place. If they just redraw all the boundaries when Crown opens they can make all the boundaries make more sense.


REading comprehension. The would be "rebalanced". Some of the RHS kids would end up at RM not Wootton.

It's like a Heap up operation in balanced trees, if you're not familiar with how computers work.


Genuinely asking—what does your ideal rebalance look like? Send Dufief, Travilah, and Stone Mill to Crown.

Send Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill to Wootton.

Then what?


I ran the numbers to balance out the RM 120% over utilization RM students would have to go both to Wootton and RHS:

+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| School | Original Enrollment | Students Added | Students Removed | New Enrollment |
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| Richard Montgomery (RMHS) | 2,390 | 0 | 500 | 1,890 |
| Wootton HS | 1,821 | 250 | 0 | 2,071 |
| Rockville HS (RHS) | 1,500 | 250 | 0 | 1,750 |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Capacity | 2,000 (RMHS) | - | - | - |
| | 2,050 (Wootton) | - | - | - |
| | 1,700 (RHS) | - | - | - |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Utilization | 120% | - | - | 94.5% |
| | 88.8% | - | - | 101% |
| | 88.2% | - | - | 102.9% |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+


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Ok so again, seriously asking, which es schools would you send where?


It's a high school boundary study not elementary or middle school
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All existing boundaries should be ignored. Lines should be drawn around neighborhoods and if a neighborhood can walk to a school, then they should go to that school, no discussion or possibility to change on those assignments. This will reduce the amount MCPS has to spend on busses and bus drivers. It will reduce traffic which the county desperately needs. It will allow more students to participate in after school activities without burdening parents to have to pick them up. Everyone on this forum seems to be in favor of students walking to school, except maybe Horizon Hill since they like going to RM, but that neighborhood really should go to Wootton for the reasons listed above.

For students that are not in a walk zone, they should try to keep them at the closest school, but when multiple schools are similarly close, they may not go to the closest one in order to balance enrollment and keep all schools under capacity.

That should be the process. Ignore historical boundaries, ignore demographics, this doesn't need to be nearly as complicated as MCPS is making it out to be.
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Anonymous wrote:All existing boundaries should be ignored. Lines should be drawn around neighborhoods and if a neighborhood can walk to a school, then they should go to that school, no discussion or possibility to change on those assignments. This will reduce the amount MCPS has to spend on busses and bus drivers. It will reduce traffic which the county desperately needs. It will allow more students to participate in after school activities without burdening parents to have to pick them up. Everyone on this forum seems to be in favor of students walking to school, except maybe Horizon Hill since they like going to RM, but that neighborhood really should go to Wootton for the reasons listed above.

For students that are not in a walk zone, they should try to keep them at the closest school, but when multiple schools are similarly close, they may not go to the closest one in order to balance enrollment and keep all schools under capacity.

That should be the process. Ignore historical boundaries, ignore demographics, this doesn't need to be nearly as complicated as MCPS is making it out to be.


Dream on. Demographics matter, obviously. That's why the Wootton parents are freaking out.
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Anonymous wrote:Again, I am totally against H. I was hoping for some passionate arguments to be made about how Wootton needs to stay Wootton. Not hearing anything like that and this way worse than I thought. Several pages back a couple of Churchill people jumped into this thread. I could feel their school pride coming through in their posts. Could we get at least a little of that here? Or is this all about commute times and new buildings? People in the walkable neighborhoods didn't pay extra for a 10 minute walk to high school. They paid extra for a 10 minute walk to Wootton High School. At least they did at one time. I was hoping that could still be the case. Can someone at least get the band to strike up a rendition of the Wootton Fight song? Or are a bunch of people going to respond that they were unaware that Wootton even had a fight song?


I couldn’t agree more and an equally disappointed. The walk zone people essentially drop their feeder schools like a hot potato. Despite their volume, they don’t represent everybody in the class, and I also thought keeping together would have been the priority, hence the pride. We were offered a brand new school and it’s possible that a few neighborhoods will ruin it for everybody. Or, they will be responsible for breaking Wootton up if this now goes in another direction. To meet a school is all encompassing, not just the physical location. But their argument is that the physical location makes it. I don’t see why Wootton could not be Wootton if the teachers followed, the students followed and were appreciative of a brand new school.
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I'm skeptical of the new numbers that say there is not enough enrollment to fill both Wootton and Crown since previously Crown was supposed to relieve overcrowding at Churchill, RM, QO, and Gaithersburg, but even if the new numbers are true, Crown will almost certainly need to be expanded in the future to accommodate all the new planned developments in the atea. I'd much rather have both Wootton and Crown than have a mega-Crown with a large students body.
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Anonymous wrote:If they do a total rezone just send Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill all to Crown. Dufief's main issue initially with A-D was that they were the only ones being pulled from the Wootton cluster and it was being done in a way that made no sense. If it's all three schools that are clearly closer to Crown than Wootton, have at it.

Also, it's becoming more and more obvious that Fallsmead/Lakewood care more about Wootton staying on the Parkway than keeping the cluster together. The North Potomac schools that don't really care about Option H have been quiet and going along with anti-H anyway, but now that it's clear no one cares about keeping them in the cluster hopefully they get more vocal about getting their kids into a safe school. Because this sudden change to "actually, we don't want repairs" doesn't help the kids.


Technically, Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill may be closer to Crown HS than to Wootton HS. If they split Wootton like this by rezoning, pull out some to Crown and take some in to Wootton, both Crown HS and Wootton HS exist may work. I am sure Dufief would be fine with this option since they are not alone.

I would say when they build so many houses all over everywhere in MoCo, rezoning is unavoidable.


Yeah, I was looking at the map, that seems to be the case. Seems like Wootton should be folded into the Rockville System(s) for the families that are actually in Rockville.

It is really disingenuous to take families in Rockville, who are paying to Rockville taxes for Rockville amenities and ship them 3 miles away to Gaithersburg.

Pretty simple, take the outer county residents who bought into car commuting, send them to Crown their only issue is likely demographics. They knew what they were signing up for before they bought when it comes to car commuting. Leave the ones in Rockville at Wootton, fix the school with the light attendance, then rebalance Wootton, Richard Montgomery and Rockville High School as necessary.

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Rockville high school isn’t even a part of the discussion. Also it’s no where near any of the neighborhoods in question.


Yes, it is all the affected neighborhoods would be in Rockville. You would need to rebalance the schools. RM is overcrowded and RHS is near capacity so it would make sense if they ended up back filling Wootton with a generally westward migration. RHS->RM->Wootton then a northward migration Wootton-> crown, but only in the outer county areas like Travilah.


Do you know how this works? Clearly not.


I like that idea though. The Wootton walkers are happy because they get the location and that’s clearly the only thing they care about. The more open-minded parts of the cluster go to the new school. Those are backfilled with overflow from RMHS and RHS who would be happy to go to Wootton (though it wouldn’t be “Wootton” anymore). Sounds like a win-win to me.


Wootton cannot have those students join their school as Wootton parents think they are inferior.


They have to pick a lane and they have already abandoned half their cluster who contributed to its reputation. You want the dumpy school on Wootton parkway? Then you risk boundaries being changed around you. But you can walk!


So you want the boundaries to make no geographical sense whatsoever? Clearly a fan of bussing kids. RM makes sense to redistrict some to Wootton. The neighborhoods that feed to RHS are too far away for it to make sense. They would pass two high schools on the way-which is the whole problem with this boundary study in the first place. If they just redraw all the boundaries when Crown opens they can make all the boundaries make more sense.


Yes that’s what I want. I want boundaries to make absolutely no sense and for kids to be bussed to Timbuktu and back. If we’re making assumptions, I assume you are in Wootton’s walk zone. Where a three-mile bus ride is “nonsensical” and once again proof of self-interest. How dare you take umbrage with “bussing” when everyone but you already busses to Wootton!!!! So obtuse. And one of woottons feeder schools drives past frost to get to cabin John. It is already happening. Maybe you all take a turn for once and stop thinking you’re the only neighborhood impacted by this.


That’s why i’m saying the boundaries need to be redrawn-because the kids shouldn’t be passing one school to get to another one. That was kind of my whole point that you seemed to have missed. All the moco boundaries need to be redrawn-not just the ones on the boundary study.


What does it matter? Particularly once you get out of the walk zone. There's no reason to limit things to the closest schools. That just leads people to not care about the quality of the district as a whole.


Seriously? Then maybe we should bus some Gaithersburg and RHS students to Wootton. That will be caring about the district as a whole and improving the diversity in Wootton.



First: Wootton is actually one of the most diverse schools in the county. O wait are you not counting Asians as diverse? Not the right kind of minority for you? Are we supposed to or not supposed to see color?

Second: For the love of god, moving high performing kids around doesn’t actually solve education issues at their root. Maybe instead of wasting god knows how much money on bussing and boundary studies, we tackle the root issue of increasing the education performance at lower performing schools?


So, leave the high performing kids in your failing building and any low performers can go to Crown since only high performers are welcome at Wootton.


I see we’re back to the whole high performing means we should hate on Wootton. Does this mean you anti-Wootton folks have given up and realized option H is illegal?


No it means you are obsessed with only high performers so the mid to low performers should be moved to other schools as they are not welcome. We are a kind school. We will take them.


There is nothing wrong with wanting your child to go to a school that historically turns out high test scores. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to preserve that and its history, either. What is wrong is not supporting one of the options that were offered and instead creating your own. What is wrong is not even considering the option that would keep the entire cluster together, and hence theoretically, its high performance. Staying on Wootton Parkway is the priority. It is insane. Performance could be even higher in the beautiful new school with all of its new resources.

There is no hate here for Wootton. I’m an alum (and actually remember the traffic turning out of that school and getting off of the one lane Parkway was horrendous). But you’re not seeing the forest through the trees and instead are passing up a really nice offer. Smells like entitlement.
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Not trolling but trying to understand whether there is any valid basis to the “illegality” argument other than just posturing: these boundary study options are merely just options - Taylor may ultimately decide to propose to the council a modified version of one of the options or something entirely different. Survey responses aren’t votes and aren’t binding on them. If they do decide to close Wootton, they have plenty of time to notice public hearings and conduct impact studies. What is the basis for folks believing that all this work must be done prematurely?
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Anonymous wrote:If they do a total rezone just send Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill all to Crown. Dufief's main issue initially with A-D was that they were the only ones being pulled from the Wootton cluster and it was being done in a way that made no sense. If it's all three schools that are clearly closer to Crown than Wootton, have at it.

Also, it's becoming more and more obvious that Fallsmead/Lakewood care more about Wootton staying on the Parkway than keeping the cluster together. The North Potomac schools that don't really care about Option H have been quiet and going along with anti-H anyway, but now that it's clear no one cares about keeping them in the cluster hopefully they get more vocal about getting their kids into a safe school. Because this sudden change to "actually, we don't want repairs" doesn't help the kids.


Technically, Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill may be closer to Crown HS than to Wootton HS. If they split Wootton like this by rezoning, pull out some to Crown and take some in to Wootton, both Crown HS and Wootton HS exist may work. I am sure Dufief would be fine with this option since they are not alone.

I would say when they build so many houses all over everywhere in MoCo, rezoning is unavoidable.


Yeah, I was looking at the map, that seems to be the case. Seems like Wootton should be folded into the Rockville System(s) for the families that are actually in Rockville.

It is really disingenuous to take families in Rockville, who are paying to Rockville taxes for Rockville amenities and ship them 3 miles away to Gaithersburg.

Pretty simple, take the outer county residents who bought into car commuting, send them to Crown their only issue is likely demographics. They knew what they were signing up for before they bought when it comes to car commuting. Leave the ones in Rockville at Wootton, fix the school with the light attendance, then rebalance Wootton, Richard Montgomery and Rockville High School as necessary.

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Rockville high school isn’t even a part of the discussion. Also it’s no where near any of the neighborhoods in question.


Yes, it is all the affected neighborhoods would be in Rockville. You would need to rebalance the schools. RM is overcrowded and RHS is near capacity so it would make sense if they ended up back filling Wootton with a generally westward migration. RHS->RM->Wootton then a northward migration Wootton-> crown, but only in the outer county areas like Travilah.


Do you know how this works? Clearly not.


I like that idea though. The Wootton walkers are happy because they get the location and that’s clearly the only thing they care about. The more open-minded parts of the cluster go to the new school. Those are backfilled with overflow from RMHS and RHS who would be happy to go to Wootton (though it wouldn’t be “Wootton” anymore). Sounds like a win-win to me.


Wootton cannot have those students join their school as Wootton parents think they are inferior.


They have to pick a lane and they have already abandoned half their cluster who contributed to its reputation. You want the dumpy school on Wootton parkway? Then you risk boundaries being changed around you. But you can walk!


So you want the boundaries to make no geographical sense whatsoever? Clearly a fan of bussing kids. RM makes sense to redistrict some to Wootton. The neighborhoods that feed to RHS are too far away for it to make sense. They would pass two high schools on the way-which is the whole problem with this boundary study in the first place. If they just redraw all the boundaries when Crown opens they can make all the boundaries make more sense.


REading comprehension. The would be "rebalanced". Some of the RHS kids would end up at RM not Wootton.

It's like a Heap up operation in balanced trees, if you're not familiar with how computers work.


Genuinely asking—what does your ideal rebalance look like? Send Dufief, Travilah, and Stone Mill to Crown.

Send Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill to Wootton.

Then what?


I ran the numbers to balance out the RM 120% over utilization RM students would have to go both to Wootton and RHS:

+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| School | Original Enrollment | Students Added | Students Removed | New Enrollment |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Richard Montgomery (RMHS) | 2,390 | 0 | 500 | 1,890 |
| Wootton HS | 1,821 | 250 | 0 | 2,071 |
| Rockville HS (RHS) | 1,500 | 250 | 0 | 1,750 |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Capacity | 2,000 (RMHS) | - | - | - |
| | 2,050 (Wootton) | - | - | - |
| | 1,700 (RHS) | - | - | - |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Utilization | 120% | - | - | 94.5% |
| | 88.8% | - | - | 101% |
| | 88.2% | - | - | 102.9% |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+


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Ok so again, seriously asking, which es schools would you send where?


It's a high school boundary study not elementary or middle school
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Anonymous wrote:If they do a total rezone just send Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill all to Crown. Dufief's main issue initially with A-D was that they were the only ones being pulled from the Wootton cluster and it was being done in a way that made no sense. If it's all three schools that are clearly closer to Crown than Wootton, have at it.

Also, it's becoming more and more obvious that Fallsmead/Lakewood care more about Wootton staying on the Parkway than keeping the cluster together. The North Potomac schools that don't really care about Option H have been quiet and going along with anti-H anyway, but now that it's clear no one cares about keeping them in the cluster hopefully they get more vocal about getting their kids into a safe school. Because this sudden change to "actually, we don't want repairs" doesn't help the kids.


Technically, Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill may be closer to Crown HS than to Wootton HS. If they split Wootton like this by rezoning, pull out some to Crown and take some in to Wootton, both Crown HS and Wootton HS exist may work. I am sure Dufief would be fine with this option since they are not alone.

I would say when they build so many houses all over everywhere in MoCo, rezoning is unavoidable.


Yeah, I was looking at the map, that seems to be the case. Seems like Wootton should be folded into the Rockville System(s) for the families that are actually in Rockville.

It is really disingenuous to take families in Rockville, who are paying to Rockville taxes for Rockville amenities and ship them 3 miles away to Gaithersburg.

Pretty simple, take the outer county residents who bought into car commuting, send them to Crown their only issue is likely demographics. They knew what they were signing up for before they bought when it comes to car commuting. Leave the ones in Rockville at Wootton, fix the school with the light attendance, then rebalance Wootton, Richard Montgomery and Rockville High School as necessary.

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Rockville high school isn’t even a part of the discussion. Also it’s no where near any of the neighborhoods in question.


Yes, it is all the affected neighborhoods would be in Rockville. You would need to rebalance the schools. RM is overcrowded and RHS is near capacity so it would make sense if they ended up back filling Wootton with a generally westward migration. RHS->RM->Wootton then a northward migration Wootton-> crown, but only in the outer county areas like Travilah.


Do you know how this works? Clearly not.


I like that idea though. The Wootton walkers are happy because they get the location and that’s clearly the only thing they care about. The more open-minded parts of the cluster go to the new school. Those are backfilled with overflow from RMHS and RHS who would be happy to go to Wootton (though it wouldn’t be “Wootton” anymore). Sounds like a win-win to me.


Wootton cannot have those students join their school as Wootton parents think they are inferior.


They have to pick a lane and they have already abandoned half their cluster who contributed to its reputation. You want the dumpy school on Wootton parkway? Then you risk boundaries being changed around you. But you can walk!


So you want the boundaries to make no geographical sense whatsoever? Clearly a fan of bussing kids. RM makes sense to redistrict some to Wootton. The neighborhoods that feed to RHS are too far away for it to make sense. They would pass two high schools on the way-which is the whole problem with this boundary study in the first place. If they just redraw all the boundaries when Crown opens they can make all the boundaries make more sense.


REading comprehension. The would be "rebalanced". Some of the RHS kids would end up at RM not Wootton.

It's like a Heap up operation in balanced trees, if you're not familiar with how computers work.


Genuinely asking—what does your ideal rebalance look like? Send Dufief, Travilah, and Stone Mill to Crown.

Send Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill to Wootton.

Then what?


I ran the numbers to balance out the RM 120% over utilization RM students would have to go both to Wootton and RHS:

+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| School | Original Enrollment | Students Added | Students Removed | New Enrollment |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Richard Montgomery (RMHS) | 2,390 | 0 | 500 | 1,890 |
| Wootton HS | 1,821 | 250 | 0 | 2,071 |
| Rockville HS (RHS) | 1,500 | 250 | 0 | 1,750 |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Capacity | 2,000 (RMHS) | - | - | - |
| | 2,050 (Wootton) | - | - | - |
| | 1,700 (RHS) | - | - | - |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Utilization | 120% | - | - | 94.5% |
| | 88.8% | - | - | 101% |
| | 88.2% | - | - | 102.9% |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+


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Ok so again, seriously asking, which es schools would you send where?


It's a high school boundary study not elementary or middle school


Wow you must have no idea what the heck is happening. Why are you even commenting? This is a high school and middle school boundary study. That’s why there are changes to where elementary schools are being sent in terms of high school feeder pattern. No one is talking about changing which elementary school you are assigned to—that elementary school boundary study is coming after this one (because it would have been way too logical for mcps to do it at once).

This is why people on this thread are completely useless and wrong. They literally don’t know the basic facts.
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Anonymous wrote:Not trolling but trying to understand whether there is any valid basis to the “illegality” argument other than just posturing: these boundary study options are merely just options - Taylor may ultimately decide to propose to the council a modified version of one of the options or something entirely different. Survey responses aren’t votes and aren’t binding on them. If they do decide to close Wootton, they have plenty of time to notice public hearings and conduct impact studies. What is the basis for folks believing that all this work must be done prematurely?


Because you are genuinely asking: any lawyer worth their salt would know there is no legal standing yet because you are right there is no harm done. That’s why the argument isn’t mcps is violating the law—the argument is Option H is violating the law. Hence, if Option H is chosen, MCPS is in violation of the law.

Lawyers use notices all the time to warn institutions. If you do this, we will be forced to sue you.
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I live in the area that should go to Crown, and I want Crown to open. However, I think that Wootton should jump to the front of the line for a rebuild and Crown should be used as a holding school for Wootton students prior to opening for local Gaithersburg students.

Wootton was on the CIP already and removed, supposedly because it cannot be rebuilt on-site and there was no holding school available. If Crown is opened and populated immediately with local Gaithersburg students, then the same thing will happen when it's Wootton's turn for a full rebuild in ~10 years.

The Wootton situation is unique, because it needs a holding school and there is an opportunity right now to have one only 3 miles away. Damascus, Magruder, Sherwood are all in equal or worse shape as Wootton, but they can all be rebuilt on-site without the need to a holding school, so they will not have the same long term issues if their projects are delayed by a few years to accommodate moving Wootton to the front of the line.
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Anonymous wrote:If they do a total rezone just send Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill all to Crown. Dufief's main issue initially with A-D was that they were the only ones being pulled from the Wootton cluster and it was being done in a way that made no sense. If it's all three schools that are clearly closer to Crown than Wootton, have at it.

Also, it's becoming more and more obvious that Fallsmead/Lakewood care more about Wootton staying on the Parkway than keeping the cluster together. The North Potomac schools that don't really care about Option H have been quiet and going along with anti-H anyway, but now that it's clear no one cares about keeping them in the cluster hopefully they get more vocal about getting their kids into a safe school. Because this sudden change to "actually, we don't want repairs" doesn't help the kids.


Technically, Dufief, Travilah and Stone Mill may be closer to Crown HS than to Wootton HS. If they split Wootton like this by rezoning, pull out some to Crown and take some in to Wootton, both Crown HS and Wootton HS exist may work. I am sure Dufief would be fine with this option since they are not alone.

I would say when they build so many houses all over everywhere in MoCo, rezoning is unavoidable.


Yeah, I was looking at the map, that seems to be the case. Seems like Wootton should be folded into the Rockville System(s) for the families that are actually in Rockville.

It is really disingenuous to take families in Rockville, who are paying to Rockville taxes for Rockville amenities and ship them 3 miles away to Gaithersburg.

Pretty simple, take the outer county residents who bought into car commuting, send them to Crown their only issue is likely demographics. They knew what they were signing up for before they bought when it comes to car commuting. Leave the ones in Rockville at Wootton, fix the school with the light attendance, then rebalance Wootton, Richard Montgomery and Rockville High School as necessary.

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Rockville high school isn’t even a part of the discussion. Also it’s no where near any of the neighborhoods in question.


Yes, it is all the affected neighborhoods would be in Rockville. You would need to rebalance the schools. RM is overcrowded and RHS is near capacity so it would make sense if they ended up back filling Wootton with a generally westward migration. RHS->RM->Wootton then a northward migration Wootton-> crown, but only in the outer county areas like Travilah.


Do you know how this works? Clearly not.


I like that idea though. The Wootton walkers are happy because they get the location and that’s clearly the only thing they care about. The more open-minded parts of the cluster go to the new school. Those are backfilled with overflow from RMHS and RHS who would be happy to go to Wootton (though it wouldn’t be “Wootton” anymore). Sounds like a win-win to me.


Wootton cannot have those students join their school as Wootton parents think they are inferior.


They have to pick a lane and they have already abandoned half their cluster who contributed to its reputation. You want the dumpy school on Wootton parkway? Then you risk boundaries being changed around you. But you can walk!


So you want the boundaries to make no geographical sense whatsoever? Clearly a fan of bussing kids. RM makes sense to redistrict some to Wootton. The neighborhoods that feed to RHS are too far away for it to make sense. They would pass two high schools on the way-which is the whole problem with this boundary study in the first place. If they just redraw all the boundaries when Crown opens they can make all the boundaries make more sense.


Yes that’s what I want. I want boundaries to make absolutely no sense and for kids to be bussed to Timbuktu and back. If we’re making assumptions, I assume you are in Wootton’s walk zone. Where a three-mile bus ride is “nonsensical” and once again proof of self-interest. How dare you take umbrage with “bussing” when everyone but you already busses to Wootton!!!! So obtuse. And one of woottons feeder schools drives past frost to get to cabin John. It is already happening. Maybe you all take a turn for once and stop thinking you’re the only neighborhood impacted by this.


That’s why i’m saying the boundaries need to be redrawn-because the kids shouldn’t be passing one school to get to another one. That was kind of my whole point that you seemed to have missed. All the moco boundaries need to be redrawn-not just the ones on the boundary study.


What does it matter? Particularly once you get out of the walk zone. There's no reason to limit things to the closest schools. That just leads people to not care about the quality of the district as a whole.


Seriously? Then maybe we should bus some Gaithersburg and RHS students to Wootton. That will be caring about the district as a whole and improving the diversity in Wootton.



First: Wootton is actually one of the most diverse schools in the county. O wait are you not counting Asians as diverse? Not the right kind of minority for you? Are we supposed to or not supposed to see color?

Second: For the love of god, moving high performing kids around doesn’t actually solve education issues at their root. Maybe instead of wasting god knows how much money on bussing and boundary studies, we tackle the root issue of increasing the education performance at lower performing schools?


So, leave the high performing kids in your failing building and any low performers can go to Crown since only high performers are welcome at Wootton.


I see we’re back to the whole high performing means we should hate on Wootton. Does this mean you anti-Wootton folks have given up and realized option H is illegal?


No it means you are obsessed with only high performers so the mid to low performers should be moved to other schools as they are not welcome. We are a kind school. We will take them.


There is nothing wrong with wanting your child to go to a school that historically turns out high test scores. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to preserve that and its history, either. What is wrong is not supporting one of the options that were offered and instead creating your own. What is wrong is not even considering the option that would keep the entire cluster together, and hence theoretically, its high performance. Staying on Wootton Parkway is the priority. It is insane. Performance could be even higher in the beautiful new school with all of its new resources.

There is no hate here for Wootton. I’m an alum (and actually remember the traffic turning out of that school and getting off of the one lane Parkway was horrendous). But you’re not seeing the forest through the trees and instead are passing up a really nice offer. Smells like entitlement.


You do know that the school is being combined with GHS students correct? So why would you think its performance would be even higher? GHS is the lowest performing school in the country with an abysmal graduation rate. and no, even if it wasn’t being combined (which it is-that’s a fact) the students will have to get up so much earlier than they already do just to get to school on time. And you think that will increase their performance when they are all exhausted now that their school is 30+ minutes away??
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Anonymous wrote:Not trolling but trying to understand whether there is any valid basis to the “illegality” argument other than just posturing: these boundary study options are merely just options - Taylor may ultimately decide to propose to the council a modified version of one of the options or something entirely different. Survey responses aren’t votes and aren’t binding on them. If they do decide to close Wootton, they have plenty of time to notice public hearings and conduct impact studies. What is the basis for folks believing that all this work must be done prematurely?


Because you are genuinely asking: any lawyer worth their salt would know there is no legal standing yet because you are right there is no harm done. That’s why the argument isn’t mcps is violating the law—the argument is Option H is violating the law. Hence, if Option H is chosen, MCPS is in violation of the law.

Lawyers use notices all the time to warn institutions. If you do this, we will be forced to sue you.


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To your second part—can’t they start all this process after going with H. The answer is no. MCPS can’t decide to do something without first doing all the things required. The point of the law isn’t so that MCPS can perform a checklist for the sake of doing so. The point of the law is to have good-faith engagement and impact studies. Thats why procedure matters. If Mcps decides first to close, then there is no point in doing all the things the state requires—their minds are made up. That’s why the law requires these protections before a decision is made.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not trolling but trying to understand whether there is any valid basis to the “illegality” argument other than just posturing: these boundary study options are merely just options - Taylor may ultimately decide to propose to the council a modified version of one of the options or something entirely different. Survey responses aren’t votes and aren’t binding on them. If they do decide to close Wootton, they have plenty of time to notice public hearings and conduct impact studies. What is the basis for folks believing that all this work must be done prematurely?


Because you are genuinely asking: any lawyer worth their salt would know there is no legal standing yet because you are right there is no harm done. That’s why the argument isn’t mcps is violating the law—the argument is Option H is violating the law. Hence, if Option H is chosen, MCPS is in violation of the law.

Lawyers use notices all the time to warn institutions. If you do this, we will be forced to sue you.


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To your second part—can’t they start all this process after going with H. The answer is no. MCPS can’t decide to do something without first doing all the things required. The point of the law isn’t so that MCPS can perform a checklist for the sake of doing so. The point of the law is to have good-faith engagement and impact studies. Thats why procedure matters. If Mcps decides first to close, then there is no point in doing all the things the state requires—their minds are made up. That’s why the law requires these protections before a decision is made.


Not PP but wanted to add an analogy. Things like probable cause exist because the order in which you do things matter.
You need to have probable cause before you arrest someone. Not the other way around—the point of the arrest is because you had a reason to do so not so you can go ahead and find a reason because you already made up your mind that this person is bad.

In this case, Mcps must actually engage in studies to figure out hey is closing this school a good idea? The whole point of good faith is that if you already make up your mind, I’m going to close this school, then none of the studies and engagement can be trusted. You are going through the motions to come up with a conclusion that supports the decision you already made.
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