FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

I wonder if they’ll have to keep it because of the K-5/K-6 elementary mismatch.

They aren’t going to put AAP in each school because there isn’t enough demand and it’s a waste of money if there aren’t enough kids.

BS. Complete BS. The problem is that they don’t want to differentiate like they used to do. Yet, in ES, they will spend more time with the strugglers, because the strugglers today are more behind than the used fo be. Consequently, the schools land up helping no one even if they have great teachers. My DC’s teachers in more than one grade told me this. He behaved and did well on his own. After winter break was the worst. One year his teacher admitted that she had not worked with his reading group for five weeks because the kids at the lower end fell back over break. I felt bad for her, but I worse for my kid and his group. I volunteered and worked with students during and after school.

The schools need to acknowledge and deal with kids at all levels. There are solutions like combining classes across 2 grades if necessary for aap (or TAG).It has been done before.

That’s astoundingly bad teaching. I taught at a title 1 school and we never did that. I’m so sorry.

-Former ES teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

FYI, I’m one of the posters, and I’ve always voted blue, so your comment is just completely off base.

Are you a member of the Great Falls Neighborhood Association or whatever it's called?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

Your kid didn’t get picked, huh? Maybe you could’ve had him study more?

You don't even have children in AAP, do you? Let me guess, you're a kindergarten mama here for the drama.

FWIW, I have a 7th and a 9th grader. The 9th grader went through AAP in MS, the 7th grader is currently taking Honors classes in MS and from what I can tell, the classes are exactly the same (one of them is the same teacher!). The only difference is that my younger child isn't taking Algebra in 7th, but getting rid of AAP in middle school would not change who does and does not take take Algebra in 7th. There are currently kids who were principal placed in ES who aren't in MS AAP but still taking Algebra in 7th.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

I wonder if they’ll have to keep it because of the K-5/K-6 elementary mismatch.

They aren’t going to put AAP in each school because there isn’t enough demand and it’s a waste of money if there aren’t enough kids.

BS. Complete BS. The problem is that they don’t want to differentiate like they used to do. Yet, in ES, they will spend more time with the strugglers, because the strugglers today are more behind than the used fo be. Consequently, the schools land up helping no one even if they have great teachers. My DC’s teachers in more than one grade told me this. He behaved and did well on his own. After winter break was the worst. One year his teacher admitted that she had not worked with his reading group for five weeks because the kids at the lower end fell back over break. I felt bad for her, but I worse for my kid and his group. I volunteered and worked with students during and after school.

The schools need to acknowledge and deal with kids at all levels. There are solutions like combining classes across 2 grades if necessary for aap (or TAG).It has been done before.

You need to tie this to a boundary discussion or take it to the AAP forum.

I am not that poster, but the two are related. There are a number of schools that send a high number of kids to AAP centers. It acts as a bit of a brain drain for the home school.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.

DP. Re: the bolded, going to take issue with that. Absolutely no one in the county gives two $hits whether Langley's boundaries are changed - except the families who will actually be affected, their friends who live closer to Langley, and the psycho obsessives who fall into neither group but simply want to screw this community to assuage their own pathetic insecurity. That's it. No one else in the county is fretting and fixating on this small group of families. They are worried about THEIR OWN CHILDREN, like normal people.

I said most people would be indifferent or happy if Langley’s boundaries are changed. Indifferent = not caring.

Unfortunately for Great Falls, it appears some of those in the latter camp are School Board members, and they may well steamroll the Langley crowd, whose local influence has waned. Calling them “psycho obsessives” when they see themselves just doing their jobs won’t help you much either.

Can't wait for karma to catch up with you.

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It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/

If I’m following 31 years ago some Langley neighborhoods in Vienna were moved from Great Falls ES to Forestville ES, which at the time was primarily a Herndon feeder (because most of that area didn’t move to Langley until the following year).

And the Great Falls families shouted “Go Back to Vienna” at the Vienna families they wanted to kick out of GFES.

Ironically, the SB may now be saying “Go Back to Herndon” to some of the Great Falls families, while those Vienna families (now at Colvin Run) may remain at Langley.

Talk about karma!

If I’m following, the people in my parents generation had something happen with their school boundaries decades ago when I was eight and lived many states away, and now you think it’s karma that they are redoing boundaries?

Karma doesn’t mean what you think it means 🙄

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It seems the PP has had this chip on their shoulder for many decades. Kind of sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

Not in the realm of possibility. They are struggling enough already with the existing 6-8 vs 7-8 MS divide.

And secondary schools on top of that. How does 7-9 work, do AAP kids get kicked back to their home school for 9th?

Why not? Will AAP centers even survive?

No. AAP centers should be the first thing to go. Talk about an inequitable system, not to mention extra, unnecessary busing.
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At a minimum, they need to get rid of AAP in middle school. There's no difference between honors classes and AAP, those kids can just take Honors at their base school.

Yep. So much overlap and redundancy. But I do think elimination centers should be on the agenda as well. Every school has AAP now. Enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Trust me. The Langley HS boundaries will not change such that students in that pyramid will go to HHS. The parents there will use some sort of grift to make sure of that. There is no point discussing it.

"Grift"? You mean objecting to it, just as families at WSF are objecting to sending their kids to Lewis?

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!

I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.

It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.

H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.

Please let your school board rep know your feelings!

Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.

You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.

Actually, it is true that HHS scores are good if you factor for SES.

+1. Yesterday the Langley parents were talking about all those govt employees in Great Falls but now they’re back to telling us they’re richer & smarter. The humility didn’t last very long.

DP. I love how you take what ONE person says and extrapolate it to the entire community. So typical.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!

I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.

It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.

H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.

Please let your school board rep know your feelings!

Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.

You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.

Actually, it is true that HHS scores are good if you factor for SES.

+1. Yesterday the Langley parents were talking about all those govt employees in Great Falls but now they’re back to telling us they’re richer & smarter. The humility didn’t last very long.

Different posters of course. It’s fact that GF has a number of government employees. You like to conveniently ignore that for your own purposes, but it’s absolutely true.

I honestly think a big reason for the perception of wealth is that infrastructure out here doesn’t support large scale development. We are on septic and well water. Of course there are big houses out here too, but they don’t go to public schools for the most part.

DP. I agree with your post, especially the number of gov't employees in GF, but the last sentence just isn't true. Most kids here, even the ones in the big houses, go to the public schools. Some go private, of course - but not most.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!

I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.

It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.

H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.

Please let your school board rep know your feelings!

Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.

You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.

Actually, it is true that HHS scores are good if you factor for SES.

+1. Yesterday the Langley parents were talking about all those govt employees in Great Falls but now they’re back to telling us they’re richer & smarter. The humility didn’t last very long.

Different posters of course. It’s fact that GF has a number of government employees. You like to conveniently ignore that for your own purposes, but it’s absolutely true.

I honestly think a big reason for the perception of wealth is that infrastructure out here doesn’t support large scale development. We are on septic and well water. Of course there are big houses out here too, but they don’t go to public schools for the most part.

That is a choice for specific purposes. Just like the one lane bridge in and out of there.

Not everything is a conspiracy. We get you hate great falls, but you’re really over the top.

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This thread is comical. The one lane bridges and septic are indeed choices, but the choice is to keep the area semi-rural. And I'm grateful for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

Totally agree. And centers should be a thing of the past too.

Re: Langley - the reason it keeps coming up is because there are certain posters (probably the same one or two) who are obsessed and won't shut up about rezoning it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

Something that will come up repeatedly in the regional meetings is the need for the School Board to make decisions about programs before the consultants starts coming up with boundary scenarios.

It’s not just AAP. Many would like to see AP at every high school so people aren’t redistricted into IB schools against their will.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

And aap centers break up communities and in some schools create a divide with the school with the kids in its Gen ed boundary.

Yep. How I wish they had not been a thing when my kids were in elementary.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it says a lot that this thread ended up just being about Langley when there are, what, 2 dozen high schools in the area?

Can we stop talking about this school and the republican parents association? Can we move on to other topics now?

I would like to talk about getting rid of AAP at the middle school level. It's completely unnecessary and redundant and a huge waste of money.

Your kid didn’t get picked, huh? Maybe you could’ve had him study more?

Ah, perfect example of the arrogant AAP parent. This is a program that should be eliminated altogether and flexible groupings reinstated.
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