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We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones whos parents didn't pay for test prep for nationally normed exams, didnt suck up to any teachers to get decent recommendations, didnt have parents who paid for extra prep to qualify for 7th grade Algebra or extra tutoring to survive a full load of honors, couldn't afford to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, Those kids are diamonds in the rough.

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DP this thread is ridiculous I'm reporting you and suggesting this get locked

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

Yes the top kids at their school should be at the top of the list. At wealthier schools, kids may have more opportunities for outside enrichment but that isn't the same thing as giftedness. So I thinking the local norms is key in identifying the very best students.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Exactly! This is mostly for UMC kids. Many decline because they don't understand even.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

last comment for a while

I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

Good record of repeated failures in cogat and guaranteed success in any u proctored cheating exercise. Also a strange group who never heard of aap but had to join TJ as nativist privilege entitles rhem

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

I have no doubt that there are several vehement people reform posters. Only one of them is making outlandish claims and then replying to their own posts with “bingo” or “nailed it.”

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

Good record of repeated failures in cogat and guaranteed success in any u proctored cheating exercise. Also a strange group who never heard of aap but had to join TJ as nativist privilege entitles rhem

What on earth were you trying to say here?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

Good record of repeated failures in cogat and guaranteed success in any u proctored cheating exercise. Also a strange group who never heard of aap but had to join TJ as nativist privilege entitles rhem

What on earth were you trying to say here?

Bingo

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

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I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

Good record of repeated failures in cogat and guaranteed success in any u proctored cheating exercise. Also a strange group who never heard of aap but had to join TJ as nativist privilege entitles rhem

What on earth were you trying to say here?

Bingo

I know I just don't get the pro-prvilege posters repeated claims that spending $20k on prep entitles their children to a TJ spot.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

last comment for a while

I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Nailed it!

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about TJ admissions

We actually agree, actual genius kids from generally high SES schools should be getting in regardless of if they are in AAP or not

"Top" students at lower SES schools are nowhere close to these folks and have no business taking TJ spots

That's actually not true. The differences at best aren't negligible. I get that some people want to believe differently because it's self-serving.

last comment for a while

I'd take the top 100 at an AAP center over the top 1.5% at the lower performing middle schools. And if you are honest with yourself so would you.

I wouldn't! Typically the AAP kids are mostly just average kids with pushy parents but the top 1.5% at the less affluent schools are truly gifted.

Exactly! That"s been our experience too. AAP isn't a gifted program. It's the top 15% supposedly but not even that really. The top 1.5% of any school is just that. That's much better than any AAP.

Yes, AAP is mostly a sham and the top 1.5% at any school beats out easily beats out most of the AAP kids who are by definition just the top 15%.

Kids in the top 1.5% at a non AAP school are merely the top of the kids not deemed to be in the top 15%. AAP selection is imperfect, but if the top 15% leave for AAP, then the gen ed kid who is at the 84th percentile would become the top kid left behind. A kid who is at the top only because the overwhelming majority of the smart kids left the school is not in any way gifted or TJ worthy.

AAP selection is imperfect, but it's not so imperfect that nearly 1/3 of the TJ spots ought to be reserved exclusively for gen ed kids. For the most part, the issues with AAP selection are that they're over-including kids, such that the bottom half of AAP is indistinguishable from the top 10% in gen ed. They're not generally missing kids who are gifted.

Only the super high-maintenance Karnes fuss over AAP. Half the population doesn't even know what it is and doesn't bother to apply or push for their kids to get in. The top 1.5% is really the top 1.5%. AAP is just the top 15% or worse. Many wouldn't even make the top 15% if not for extreme prep or private diagnoses that has allowed them access.

Nailed it! Such a sham, but even worse some believe this entitles them to TJ.

Nailed it. Bingo. Entitled. any other lazy catch phrases? toxic maybe...

It's the same poster constantly agreeing with her own posts. No one else could be that big of an idiot.

PP seems to think that the best way to find gifted kids is to look for the ones who couldn't earn high enough scores on nationally normed exams, couldn't impress any teachers, couldn't manage to qualify for 7th grade Algebra, couldn't manage to take a full load of honors, couldn't manage to do well in or even participate in any STEM ECs, and couldn't manage to get decent teacher recommendations now. Those kids are the true gems. The kids who sailed through AAP, took Algebra in 6th grade, would have glowing teacher recs, and have national level STEM achievements are just average.

DP. Believe it or not, there are a lot of vehemently pro-reform posters on this site who carry with them multiple different perspectives on how to solve the problem.

I, for one, am extremely vocal on this board (proudly holding the title of "woke idiot" from one less-informed regular) and I firmly believe that Likert-scale-heavy teacher recommendations that evaluate students against each other while limiting the impact of a teacher's writing style are a huge part of the answer to how to identify the strongest applicants from each school.

Yes, they are prone to racial bias in rare cases, but more frequently they are biased in favor of students who are strong contributors to the academic environment - and that's a bias that frankly should be welcomed in an admissions process to an elite school like TJ.

I think I used the term "Woke idiot" a few times. But I agree 100% with what you wrote here.

I am pro-reform, just not FCPS style sneaking changes in a middle of pandemic with deceptive practices.