Seriously with the book banning ?

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Never called them porn. Just said they were controversial.

Many elementary schools? Jeez. I was hoping none, and was talking about middle schools and high schools.

Your response and PP response illustrate the issue perfectly though.

and what is that? The bible is controversial FFS

Does the Bible have pictures of strap-on blowjobs and lesbian 69ing?

It has rape, torture, murder and more. But we get it, you like rape, torture and murder.

Does the Bible have pictures of that?

Illustrated Bibles do.

But words can be just as powerful as pictures.

If those illustrated bibles contain porn they do not belong in schools either. And no, words and pictures are different. Just like silence is not violence.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found.
HB 1069. Specifically:
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

Ah, thank you. So the removal is temporary until reviewed by the school district. Sounds good. The way to prevent this would be for the school district to review all books before putting them in the shelves.

DP. Temporary until they get around to reviewing it. And they can put that effort off as long as they want. Particularly when they are inundated with thousands of requests, often by just a handful of people.
Please do tell me what is objectionable about poetry by Maya Angelou (her poetry was a staple in my high school forensics competitions in the '90), or books by Judy Blume, or biographies of Harriett Tubman, Malala Yousafzai, various civil rights leaders, etc. How about Anne Frank?

So what do you think the process should be?

I'm the PP. I do NOT think that the process should give way to a very small handful of people (in some states, hundreds of complaints have been filed by only 2 or 3 people, who clearly have far too much time on their hands) who are then allowed to essentially hold books hostage for an indeterminate amount of time.
And, again, please instruct me as to the issues with the topics/authors I mentioned in my previous post. I'd guarantee that books about Malala or Ruby Bridges have nothing to do with porn. And Judy Blume has been in school libraries for decades. As have Toni Morrison and Maya Angelou.

So you don't want anyone to be able to question a book ina school library. Got it. And I don't have a problem with any of the books you mentioned. There are some authors that promote racism like Kendi and Jewell, so their books probably don't belong in schools either but I have less of an issue with those.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found.
HB 1069. Specifically:
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

Ah, thank you. So the removal is temporary until reviewed by the school district. Sounds good. The way to prevent this would be for the school district to review all books before putting them in the shelves.

with a criteria that's constantly changing? How about trusting a professional.
In my state, the legislature was very clear on what needed to be removed. It wasn't up to the school board.

Given my experience with our school librarian it's clear that one person cannot be trusted to make decisions like this. So should be up to a committee at the state level.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found.
HB 1069. Specifically:
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

Ah, thank you. So the removal is temporary until reviewed by the school district. Sounds good. The way to prevent this would be for the school district to review all books before putting them in the shelves.

with a criteria that's constantly changing? How about trusting a professional.
In my state, the legislature was very clear on what needed to be removed. It wasn't up to the school board.

Given my experience with our school librarian it's clear that one person cannot be trusted to make decisions like this. So should be up to a committee at the state level.

You sound like a communist.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Never called them porn. Just said they were controversial.

Many elementary schools? Jeez. I was hoping none, and was talking about middle schools and high schools.

Your response and PP response illustrate the issue perfectly though.

and what is that? The bible is controversial FFS

Does the Bible have pictures of strap-on blowjobs and lesbian 69ing?

It has rape, torture, murder and more. But we get it, you like rape, torture and murder.

Does the Bible have pictures of that?

Illustrated Bibles do.

But words can be just as powerful as pictures.

If those illustrated bibles contain porn they do not belong in schools either. And no, words and pictures are different. Just like silence is not violence.

Which means art history books and art history courses should be banned from schools. Agree?

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Here is a list of 50-100 books banned in one Florida school district because of requests from Moms for Liberty.

https://www.scribd.com/document/630033537/Martin-County-School-District-Removed-Books

Nice to see that they got the Handmaids Tale but they forgot 1984 and Fahrenheit 454.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found.
HB 1069. Specifically:
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

Ah, thank you. So the removal is temporary until reviewed by the school district. Sounds good. The way to prevent this would be for the school district to review all books before putting them in the shelves.

with a criteria that's constantly changing? How about trusting a professional.
In my state, the legislature was very clear on what needed to be removed. It wasn't up to the school board.

Given my experience with our school librarian it's clear that one person cannot be trusted to make decisions like this. So should be up to a committee at the state level.

You sound like a communist.

I doing like some who has seen an insane leftist masquerading as a librarian do a lot of damage to an entire school population. And in the US, states regulate education so that is the most logical and efficient place for books to be reviewed, though a school district might be a better option. But just go ahead and admit that you want porn in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF are you talking about PP? I am a lefty and do not want "porn" in my kid's school library. I believe that your definition of porn and mine are radically different.

Also, why are you prattling on about CRT? CRT isn't taught anywhere at the elementary, middle or high school level. Stop getting your talking points from OAN.

As a liberal I do believe that books that have gay characters or that discuss sexuality in an age appropriate way are acceptable for upper elementary kids, depending on how it is presented. Many of the 9-10 year olds may be starting puberty.(mostly the girls, but still)

Actually, I see lots of crap in the school library that I wish weren't there but I don't think it should be banned. The content isn't controversial just not particularly educational.

Personally, I trust the librarians to do a good job of curating the books in my kid's school library. I'll disclose my bias here. my mom was an elementary school teacher and a principal so I can see education from both sides.

As you said your definition of porn and mine are different. I consider images of strap-on blowjobs, lesbian 69ing, and teens having sex to be porn. And I'm not a prude. I'm liberal myself, just not a leftist. There's a good chance you're not actually liberal anymore but I'm not sure. Most leftists aren't. For example "CRT isn't taught anywhere at the elementary, middle or high school level" is not a liberal statement because if you think about it critically, you cannot possibly know that. All I have to do is show one teacher in one school teaching it and it disproves your statement. Most liberals are smarter than that. If you'd like to define CRT, I'll show how it's being taught in K-13 schools after removing "is only taught in college and law school" from your definition. And, as a liberal, watch OAN except for a good laugh on occasion. Speaking of TV, I suggest you stop watching Maddow and Morning Joe as consuming too much of their leftist drivel tends to make one illiberal. As a leftist, I'm sure you do support most librarians. To be fair, I do as well. But many of them are leftist as was our kids middle school librarian who was responsible for bringing lessons on CRT into the school during Covid.

It sounds like you’d like to remove art history books from school libraries

I mean have you ever seen some of the renaissance and baroque paintings of mythological subjects? Do you realize how much sex including forced sex occurs in ancient mythology? Do you know what the myth of Ganymedes involves? Diana? Daphne? Io? Have you ever seen some of the paintings and sculptures of nudes splaying themselves for the enjoyment of the viewer? Renaissance porn! Get those art history books out of schools! And ban AP art history!

I’m sure your non prudish self would agree with this.

You can't tell the difference between ancient historical art and strap on blow jobs / lesbian 69ing. This is progressivism in 2023.

No tell us what the difference is.

One is more lifelike and looking like reality. (the “ancient” Renaissance art.). One is cartoonish and not realistic at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found.
HB 1069. Specifically:
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

Ah, thank you. So the removal is temporary until reviewed by the school district. Sounds good. The way to prevent this would be for the school district to review all books before putting them in the shelves.

with a criteria that's constantly changing? How about trusting a professional.
In my state, the legislature was very clear on what needed to be removed. It wasn't up to the school board.

Given my experience with our school librarian it's clear that one person cannot be trusted to make decisions like this. So should be up to a committee at the state level.

You sound like a communist.

I doing like some who has seen an insane leftist masquerading as a librarian do a lot of damage to an entire school population. And in the US, states regulate education so that is the most logical and efficient place for books to be reviewed, though a school district might be a better option. But just go ahead and admit that you want porn in schools.

As long as it’s ancient historical porn it’s ok right?

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Anonymous wrote:WTF are you talking about PP? I am a lefty and do not want "porn" in my kid's school library. I believe that your definition of porn and mine are radically different.

Also, why are you prattling on about CRT? CRT isn't taught anywhere at the elementary, middle or high school level. Stop getting your talking points from OAN.

As a liberal I do believe that books that have gay characters or that discuss sexuality in an age appropriate way are acceptable for upper elementary kids, depending on how it is presented. Many of the 9-10 year olds may be starting puberty.(mostly the girls, but still)

Actually, I see lots of crap in the school library that I wish weren't there but I don't think it should be banned. The content isn't controversial just not particularly educational.

Personally, I trust the librarians to do a good job of curating the books in my kid's school library. I'll disclose my bias here. my mom was an elementary school teacher and a principal so I can see education from both sides.

As you said your definition of porn and mine are different. I consider images of strap-on blowjobs, lesbian 69ing, and teens having sex to be porn. And I'm not a prude. I'm liberal myself, just not a leftist. There's a good chance you're not actually liberal anymore but I'm not sure. Most leftists aren't. For example "CRT isn't taught anywhere at the elementary, middle or high school level" is not a liberal statement because if you think about it critically, you cannot possibly know that. All I have to do is show one teacher in one school teaching it and it disproves your statement. Most liberals are smarter than that. If you'd like to define CRT, I'll show how it's being taught in K-13 schools after removing "is only taught in college and law school" from your definition. And, as a liberal, watch OAN except for a good laugh on occasion. Speaking of TV, I suggest you stop watching Maddow and Morning Joe as consuming too much of their leftist drivel tends to make one illiberal. As a leftist, I'm sure you do support most librarians. To be fair, I do as well. But many of them are leftist as was our kids middle school librarian who was responsible for bringing lessons on CRT into the school during Covid.

It sounds like you’d like to remove art history books from school libraries

I mean have you ever seen some of the renaissance and baroque paintings of mythological subjects? Do you realize how much sex including forced sex occurs in ancient mythology? Do you know what the myth of Ganymedes involves? Diana? Daphne? Io? Have you ever seen some of the paintings and sculptures of nudes splaying themselves for the enjoyment of the viewer? Renaissance porn! Get those art history books out of schools! And ban AP art history!

I’m sure your non prudish self would agree with this.

You can't tell the difference between ancient historical art and strap on blow jobs / lesbian 69ing. This is progressivism in 2023.

How about Degas’ and Courbet’s pictures of prostitutes? Ban those images from school libraries?

You should see some of the Weimar era German stuff! Definitely need to ban those from schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Never called them porn. Just said they were controversial.

Many elementary schools? Jeez. I was hoping none, and was talking about middle schools and high schools.

Your response and PP response illustrate the issue perfectly though.

and what is that? The bible is controversial FFS

Does the Bible have pictures of strap-on blowjobs and lesbian 69ing?

It has rape, torture, murder and more. But we get it, you like rape, torture and murder.

Does the Bible have pictures of that?

Illustrated Bibles do.

But words can be just as powerful as pictures.

If those illustrated bibles contain porn they do not belong in schools either. And no, words and pictures are different. Just like silence is not violence.

Words and pictures are not different, sometimes words are more titillating.

-Woman who gets off more from reading erotica than watching porn.

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Sweet jesus, stop taking the red herring offered by the porn obsessed loser. There’s no porn in school libraries.

The real issue is the right trying to erase women and minorities. They’re beginning at the early ed years and will then chisel out it out further. It’s such a gross way to exist, but they’re fascists. It’s what they like.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Never called them porn. Just said they were controversial.

Many elementary schools? Jeez. I was hoping none, and was talking about middle schools and high schools.

Your response and PP response illustrate the issue perfectly though.

and what is that? The bible is controversial FFS

Does the Bible have pictures of strap-on blowjobs and lesbian 69ing?

It has rape, torture, murder and more. But we get it, you like rape, torture and murder.

Does the Bible have pictures of that?

Illustrated Bibles do.

But words can be just as powerful as pictures.

If those illustrated bibles contain porn they do not belong in schools either. And no, words and pictures are different. Just like silence is not violence.

Words and pictures are not different, sometimes words are more titillating.

-Woman who gets off more from reading erotica than watching porn.

This is progressivism in 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Never called them porn. Just said they were controversial.

Many elementary schools? Jeez. I was hoping none, and was talking about middle schools and high schools.

Your response and PP response illustrate the issue perfectly though.

and what is that? The bible is controversial FFS

Does the Bible have pictures of strap-on blowjobs and lesbian 69ing?

It has rape, torture, murder and more. But we get it, you like rape, torture and murder.

Does the Bible have pictures of that?

Illustrated Bibles do.

But words can be just as powerful as pictures.

If those illustrated bibles contain porn they do not belong in schools either. And no, words and pictures are different. Just like silence is not violence.

Words and pictures are not different, sometimes words are more titillating.

-Woman who gets off more from reading erotica than watching porn.

This is progressivism in 2023.

The erotica/romance book industry sells more than any other type of book. Must be something about those words.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

It sounds false because it's utterly preposterous, yet it's true. And easily found.
HB 1069. Specifically:
Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Spoiler alert - they aren't exactly going lickety split to resolve these objections. And yes, any objection. By anyone. Using their website and filling out a form, which is the other part of the bill.

Yes. And this is fascist behavior, plain and simple. It is like saying someone committed a crime, and they take the accused to jail without even questioning him or an investigation.

No one should be able to censor books just because they hate trans people, blacks and women.

But that is what is happening in states like Florida.