APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

Planning units from Tuckahoe were moved to both Nottingham and McKinley. McKinley was getting a big new addition and Nottingham was not. So it made sense for McK to get more Tuckahoe kids than Nottingham as the school with more capacity. Nottingham parents are not to blame because APS didn't finish your renovations on time. Please. You need to complain about that to APS. But you won't. You have some irrational vendetta against Nottingham.

No. The numbers showed McK would be overcrowded and Nottingham could absorb the numbers, but the pushback was too aggressive. The planners caved and it was a mistake. I watched friend who should have been moved to Nottingham from Tuckahoe move to McK. They met new friends, but it was crazy that they were moved from one overcrowded school to another. In the end, they were kind of glad b/c Nottingham made them feel quite unwelcome.

God these APS staff/defenders kill me. It’s always the same thing. APS staff had the correct plan but then those loud mouthed bungling North Arlington parents somehow messed up their great plan. And that’s the reason things are all screwed up now with loads of seats in NA.

I am so sick of this. Ultimately, parents do not work for APS and APS IS ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS OWN POOR PLANNING.

Yes, we keep saying that APS made a mistake by choosing to listen to the whiners.

We want APS to stop being swayed by the aggressive, entitled parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

Planning units from Tuckahoe were moved to both Nottingham and McKinley. McKinley was getting a big new addition and Nottingham was not. So it made sense for McK to get more Tuckahoe kids than Nottingham as the school with more capacity. Nottingham parents are not to blame because APS didn't finish your renovations on time. Please. You need to complain about that to APS. But you won't. You have some irrational vendetta against Nottingham.

No. The numbers showed McK would be overcrowded and Nottingham could absorb the numbers, but the pushback was too aggressive. The planners caved and it was a mistake. I watched friend who should have been moved to Nottingham from Tuckahoe move to McK. They met new friends, but it was crazy that they were moved from one overcrowded school to another. In the end, they were kind of glad b/c Nottingham made them feel quite unwelcome.

God these APS staff/defenders kill me. It’s always the same thing. APS staff had the correct plan but then those loud mouthed bungling North Arlington parents somehow messed up their great plan. And that’s the reason things are all screwed up now with loads of seats in NA.

I am so sick of this. Ultimately, parents do not work for APS and APS IS ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS OWN POOR PLANNING.

Don’t believe everything you read on DCUM especially from someone with a ax to grind. If APS had moved those Tuck kids to Nott they would have been in trailers at Nott. Nott had trailers back then even before it took in Tuckahoe kids so no it didn’t have room to take even more students. Nottingham is a pretty small building. APS did give it a PU from tuckahoe but gave more to Mc k because that school was getting an addition and Nott was not. Seems very rational to me. FWIW I always wondered why they didn’t add onto Nottingham but they didn’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

Please get yourself some therapy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

[Anonymous]

People need to understand that using trailers short-term (less than 10 years) is an acceptable option in order to get some of these older buildings renovated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

Please get yourself some therapy.

So unnecessarily nasty. Most kids are in APS for 13 years. I assume you can do the math.

Many of us have been through many different changes over the years. The nasty parents really tend to stick out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People need to understand that using trailers short-term (less than 10 years) is an acceptable option in order to get some of these older buildings renovated.

+1

What do the enrollment forecasts look like now? Birth rates peaked in 2007 (HS kids) and are continuing to trend down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

Please get yourself some therapy.

So unnecessarily nasty. Most kids are in APS for 13 years. I assume you can do the math.

Many of us have been through many different changes over the years. The nasty parents really tend to stick out.

And an Elementary school covers at most 6 years of that. "Most" is carrying a lot of unnecessary weight here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

Sure, perhaps they would. But nobody knows because APS hasn't done the work or requested a traffic study to show how they plan to keep students, teachers and the neighborhood safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

"many people." Several years does not equal 10 years. I hope you can find a better hobby.

[Anonymous]

Just for clarity, the Nottingham parents who went to elected officials in an attempt to "influence" APS still have kids in the system. It wasn't 10 years ago. The boundary changes were 7 years ago. Kids going into 2nd are just now entering high school. Also, when the McK-Cardinal move happened, another group from Nottingham targeted Tuckahoe when the "No, not us. Them!" arguments began. I think the point is parent groups tend to turn on each other. It's not surprising that others aren't supporting Nottingham's efforts this time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

Please get yourself some therapy.

So unnecessarily nasty. Most kids are in APS for 13 years. I assume you can do the math.

Many of us have been through many different changes over the years. The nasty parents really tend to stick out.

And an Elementary school covers at most 6 years of that. "Most" is carrying a lot of unnecessary weight here.

Longer if you have >1 kid. Then add 7 years beyond that.

Yes, most APS parents have had kids in APS schools for several years.

We’ve seen a lot go down. I agree with PP that parents with younger kids may not know the history.