Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

Yeah, when someone props a door open at my office or badges in a visitor, they get fired. Like, on the spot. There is no warning issued or chance to get written up.

This teacher did it and people died. This teacher should never teach again.

In some professions, you don't get to make mistakes. Simple as that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

In Israel they have a good way to lock down schools so its the reality of the world we live in, i'd err on the side of safety

https://foxwilmington.com/politics/texas-school-shooting-could-israeli-school-security-methods-serve-as-model-for-us-schools/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

This. Almost makes you wonder why we fought so hard after the Civil War to put it all back together. Should have freed the slaves, brought them north, and then seceded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are libs so against armed security in a government school building?

We don’t need more useless jobs programs that suck away money from education, health care, etc. when we can just ban AR-15s.

PP before - THE ARMED SECURITY DID NOTHING.

OMG, there was no armed security.

Why did they lie and say there was?

I’d like to get facts from a neutral source. FBI?

Rep. Joaquin Castro is calling for an FBI investigation:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-democrat-asks-fbi-to-investigate-police-response-to-school-massacre/ar-AAXNJ57?li=BBnb7Kz

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

In Israel they have a good way to lock down schools so its the reality of the world we live in, i'd err on the side of safety

https://foxwilmington.com/politics/texas-school-shooting-could-israeli-school-security-methods-serve-as-model-for-us-schools/

I would actually argue that Israel is also a deranged society and I do not want to live like them and I should not have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Exactly.

The issue is the guns.

The issue is the guns.

The issue is the guns.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

In Israel they have a good way to lock down schools so its the reality of the world we live in, i'd err on the side of safety

https://foxwilmington.com/politics/texas-school-shooting-could-israeli-school-security-methods-serve-as-model-for-us-schools/

just stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

In Israel they have a good way to lock down schools so its the reality of the world we live in, i'd err on the side of safety

https://foxwilmington.com/politics/texas-school-shooting-could-israeli-school-security-methods-serve-as-model-for-us-schools/

I would actually argue that Israel is also a deranged society and I do not want to live like them and I should not have to.

+1000

And violence is all around them all the time because of their occupation. This is not a good comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

This. Almost makes you wonder why we fought so hard after the Civil War to put it all back together. Should have freed the slaves, brought them north, and then seceded.

I hate to say it (because I know that "secession" is a theme that Russian trolls like to push on American fora and I don't want to play into that), but if we have the blue states on the east and west coasts form their own country, it would be a nice safe place that values education and healthcare. And then you'd have the red states with their high mortality rates, culture wars and high rates of gun violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are libs so against armed security in a government school building?

We don’t need more useless jobs programs that suck away money from education, health care, etc. when we can just ban AR-15s.

PP before - THE ARMED SECURITY DID NOTHING.

OMG, there was no armed security.

Why did they lie and say there was?

I’d like to get facts from a neutral source. FBI?

Rep. Joaquin Castro is calling for an FBI investigation:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-democrat-asks-fbi-to-investigate-police-response-to-school-massacre/ar-AAXNJ57?li=BBnb7Kz

Of course, one side already views the FBI as politically compromised, so there will be no credibility given to any of their findings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

So is not ordering a school-wide lockdown because there’s a crazy person right outside shooting at dozens of people. Had that happened people would have checked that the door was locked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

Yeah, when someone props a door open at my office or badges in a visitor, they get fired. Like, on the spot. There is no warning issued or chance to get written up.

This teacher did it and people died. This teacher should never teach again.

In some professions, you don't get to make mistakes. Simple as that.

Our legislators are letting thousands upon thousands of people die so I think they should be fired first, don’t you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

Yeah, when someone props a door open at my office or badges in a visitor, they get fired. Like, on the spot. There is no warning issued or chance to get written up.

This teacher did it and people died. This teacher should never teach again.

In some professions, you don't get to make mistakes. Simple as that.

I hope after firing the teacher, they also fire the SRO, the useless police, the gun shop owner (who sold the assailant his weapons), and the members in the state legislature that thought it was a good idea to reduce the age of firearm purchase to 18. Because if that teacher has blood on her hands, the rest of them are drenched in it. None of them - from the PD to mayor to governor - should be allowed to work in their jobs again.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is how I know we are completely lost as a country. America is and has been in decline. I'm not sure we will experience a full on collapse or will just limp into third world status:

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/robb-shooting-survivor-miah-cerrillo/index.html[/url]

[quote]Miah said she was scared the gunman would return to her classroom to kill her and a few other surviving friends. So, she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate -- who lay next to her, already dead — and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead.
Miah said it felt like three hours that she lay there, covered in her classmate's blood, with her friends. [/quote]

And people are still going to seriously debate whether we should enact gun control when 11 year olds are covering themselves in their friend's blood as the police set up a perimeter outside with their guns and do nothing. Insanity. We are a broken and stupid people.[/quote]


Wow, that article is stomach churning.

For those who ask why the door wasn't locked - he shot through the window of the door:

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One teacher went to lock the door, but Miah says the shooter was right there — and shot out the window in the door.

She described it all happening so fast — her teacher backed into the classroom and the gunman followed. She told CNN the shooter looked at one of her teachers in the eye, said, "Goodnight," and then shot her.[/i][/quote]

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So heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

Fire code mandates that the door not be propped open. Pretty basic stuff.