Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

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What is wrong with this country that an 18 year old kid can walk into a store and buy enough weapons and ammunition to kill a boatload of children?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/father-of-uvalde-shooter-salvador-ramos-says-he-shouldve-just-killed-me

The details of his son’s attack were horrifying: According to authorities, he purchased two rifles and 375 rounds of ammunition in the leadup to the massacre, and barricaded himself inside the classroom for over an hour. One student recalled him telling the children in the classroom: “It’s time to die.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why are libs so against armed security in a government school building?

We don’t need more useless jobs programs that suck away money from education, health care, etc. when we can just ban AR-15s.

PP before - THE ARMED SECURITY DID NOTHING.

OMG, there was no armed security.

Why did they lie and say there was?

I’d like to get facts from a neutral source. FBI?

Investigation press conference today confirmed no guard, armed or otherwise.

Who confirmed?

TX DPS Director Steve McCraw. Press conference is happening now.

So a Texas cop? Not neutral.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

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It’s literally a life or death or situation. You err on the side of following the active shooter protocols because kids are alive and bleeding out. You have real time access to information through 911. You have 19 officers standing down in the school hallway. This shouldn’t be hard.

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Teacher went to get a cell phone and left school foot propped open. Shooter spent 12 minutes outside randomly firing dozens of rounds and the school wasn’t locked down by administrators. Twelve minutes is an eternity.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher went to get a cell phone and left school foot propped open. Shooter spent 12 minutes outside randomly firing dozens of rounds and the school wasn’t locked down by administrators. Twelve minutes is an eternity.

^^^^ door not foot

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

Texas is a big state. It has lists of different police departments. This is a small town. It fff eggplant on the school district police chief to make decisions. He failed at each opportunity.

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Grooming gun lust in young kids like this is just sick. It's akin to pedophilia, IMHO. So utterly damaging for that child.

Why are people talking about common sense gun control. These NRA/conservatives are not rational. There is no common ground with these people. We need to take their guns and ammo away. Otherwise you just argue about what an assault rifle is, how is it unfair to outlaw automatic grenade launchers and blaming teachers and children from not being armed. There is no negotiating with this types.

There is definitely something to creating a new anchor. Our anchor has been common sense gun legislation for a long time.

Maybe if we propose banning all the stupid guns, we can meet in the middle.

You do realize the other side has to be willing to compromise a little bit. They are not.

I don’t mean as a negotiating tactic, really, I mean as a psychological anchor.

In our society, the two sides for a long time have been:

I want any weapon I want any time I want

Vs.

I respect your right to a weapon can we have some common sense controls though pwetty pwease?


Maybe our side should instead be

“You are an idiot and should not have any weapons of war and I want to take away your guns.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Exactly.

The issue is the guns.

The issue is the guns.

The issue is the guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are libs so against armed security in a government school building?

We don’t need more useless jobs programs that suck away money from education, health care, etc. when we can just ban AR-15s.

PP before - THE ARMED SECURITY DID NOTHING.

OMG, there was no armed security.

Why did they lie and say there was?

I’d like to get facts from a neutral source. FBI?

Investigation press conference today confirmed no guard, armed or otherwise.

DPS is running the show, this is all you are going to get. If you prefer to believe there was an armed guard on site, go for it.

Who confirmed?

TX DPS Director Steve McCraw. Press conference is happening now.

So a Texas cop? Not neutral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are libs so against armed security in a government school building?

We don’t need more useless jobs programs that suck away money from education, health care, etc. when we can just ban AR-15s.

PP before - THE ARMED SECURITY DID NOTHING.

OMG, there was no armed security.

Why did they lie and say there was?

I’d like to get facts from a neutral source. FBI?

The FBI is supporting the investigation. They aren’t the lead which is standard protocol. They’ll sssist with weapons purchase, financial records, obtaining data and interviewing witnesses.