Another gunman, another elementary school

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This is the issue. Not a door.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

Yeah, when someone props a door open at my office or badges in a visitor, they get fired. Like, on the spot. There is no warning issued or chance to get written up.

This teacher did it and people died. This teacher should never teach again.

In some professions, you don't get to make mistakes. Simple as that.

I hope after firing the teacher, they also fire the SRO, the useless police, the gun shop owner (who sold the assailant his weapons), and the members in the state legislature that thought it was a good idea to reduce the age of firearm purchase to 18. Because if that teacher has blood on her hands, the rest of them are drenched in it. None of them - from the PD to mayor to governor - should be allowed to work in their jobs again.

Those people do not have blood on their hands, any more than any of us Americans have blood on our collective hands for having witnessed hundreds of school shootings and yet still having an environment in which guns are as easy to buy as candy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

We were told that they engaged the shooter before he went into the school and were wounded, right? I think this didn't happen at all and the police exited this without a scratch on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

This. Almost makes you wonder why we fought so hard after the Civil War to put it all back together. Should have freed the slaves, brought them north, and then seceded.

I hate to say it (because I know that "secession" is a theme that Russian trolls like to push on American fora and I don't want to play into that), but if we have the blue states on the east and west coasts form their own country, it would be a nice safe place that values education and healthcare. And then you'd have the red states with their high mortality rates, culture wars and high rates of gun violence.

Not shortage of gun violence almost anywhere in America.

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I want a neutral party investigating. I don't even want a TX branch of the FBI investigating.

Bring in outside agents who will be more neutral.

I want to know the hard facts:
-Was there or was there not an encounter with security outside the school?
-Is it true a teacher went to her car to get her phone and left a door unsecured?
-Explain the video circulating social media that shows a gunman outside the school shooting. Some claimed it was the CBP officer who killed him but if that's true, why are there no other police or emergency equipment in the background? I believe that video IS of the shooter shooting his way into the school.
-What is the exact timeline of events. There have been too many variations. When did the first call for help come in? When did the first officer arrive on scene? When did the first person get removed from the school?
-Is it true or false that officers went into the school to rescue their own kids while other officers kept parents away?
-Is it true or false that an officer broke protocol and told hiding kids to call for help and caused the girl to get shot?
-Why was he killed by a CBP officer? Is it true that the officer got tired of waiting and inaction and rushed the school? Is it true he was off duty and had a kid in there?
-What time did the mythical SWAT team arrive?
-Is it true that parents who were able to get around the police went in and rescued their own kids while the police stood outside?
-I want time of death listed for each victim. Were they lying there bleeding out while the pu$$y cops waiting outside?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

Fire code mandates that the door not be propped open. Pretty basic stuff.

The issue is not the door.

The issue is the guns.

The issue is the guns.

The issue is the guns.

Doors are not weapons, video games are not weapons, being weird and lonely is not a weapon.

Guns are weapons and they are the issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

I don't think this was a "wrong call." I think this is simply another lie.

Even if it was a "wrong call" I don't have sympathy for this guy and think he should exit Uvalde, the county, and possibly the state post haste.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

We were told that they engaged the shooter before he went into the school and were wounded, right? I think this didn't happen at all and the police exited this without a scratch on them.

Officers inside the building were injured by gunfire. No officers or security engaged the shooter outside the school and there was no armed security guard on site at the time the shooting started.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.

Fire code mandates that the door not be propped open. Pretty basic stuff.

Can you actually cite a fire code mandating that an exterior door not be propped open?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

This. Almost makes you wonder why we fought so hard after the Civil War to put it all back together. Should have freed the slaves, brought them north, and then seceded.

I hate to say it (because I know that "secession" is a theme that Russian trolls like to push on American fora and I don't want to play into that), but if we have the blue states on the east and west coasts form their own country, it would be a nice safe place that values education and healthcare. And then you'd have the red states with their high mortality rates, culture wars and high rates of gun violence.

Not shortage of gun violence almost anywhere in America.

It's not zero. We are trying to reduce massacres, not eliminate them (impossible). I'd like it see it be illegal - yes, I said it! - to own a firearm if that's not your profession - in at least 1 US state. Then I will go and move there. I guarantee the laws of a place reflect the values of the people. I'd rather live in Mass than Maryland, and rather live in Maryland than Va.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

What about the police who rushed in and were wounded(I wonder what their wound were?) What about the little girl getting shot after the cop ask her if she needed help and she said yes? That is not an active shooter? I guess this is what you get in Texas. A power grid that does not work, police who do not work, etc. It is like Somalia and Texans are okay with it.. You elected a bunch of people who hate the government and do everything in their power to make sure it does not work.

At this point I think it is time to break the country up. Let Texas and the red states do their thing. The blue states can actually move forward and build a working country.

We were told that they engaged the shooter before he went into the school and were wounded, right? I think this didn't happen at all and the police exited this without a scratch on them.

Officers inside the building were injured by gunfire. No officers or security engaged the shooter outside the school and there was no armed security guard on site at the time the shooting started.

I'll believe it when I see it or hear from the doctor that treated them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

Yes, it was a wrong call. Obviously. In a heated situation that happened quickly and I have sympathy for that person who screwed up and must feel beyond terrible.

But what didn't happen quickly was the gradual relaxation of gun control restrictions such that an 18 year old can easily go into a shop and buy two AR platform rifles 2 days after his 18th birthday. This is society's fault for letting guns proliferate like candy such that anyone can access them without any sort of background check or licensing.

Wrong call? That sounds like bs.

Witnesses saw the gunman shoot people outside and go inside the school with the gun, then they were hearing shots coming from inside the school - the parents standing there confirmed. What part of that does not indicate "active shooter" situation?

That's just lies to cover their cowardice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

I agree with you - I posted that and was trying to be understanding - no teacher meant to cause harm, but yes, having the door locked would have been one thing that would have helped. first thing I wanted to do was call my sons school and say keep the doors locked!

[Anonymous]

If the teacher did indeed leave the door open I don’t know how they would live with that. My feelings toward them move back and forth between scorn and pity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, standing down has become popular, but mighty deadly. Perhaps rethink that nonsense.

Commander on the scene determined it was a "barricaded subject" situation and not an "active shooter" situation. This led to the stand down. In hindsight, it was the wrong call and contributed to additional loss of life.

What time did he make that call?

It was a bad call during a very stressful time. I am sure he feels beyond horrible.

There were lots of mistakes make. Someone left that darn door open. That was an oversight with tragic consequences.

It’s not an “oversight.” It is a breach of the most fundamental security protocol, bordering on criminal negligence.

I agree with you - I posted that and was trying to be understanding - no teacher meant to cause harm, but yes, having the door locked would have been one thing that would have helped. first thing I wanted to do was call my sons school and say keep the doors locked!

The school SRO or any of the cops doing their jobs might have helped too. How many students who otherwise would have lived died because they had wounds that were untreated while the police bravely secured the perimeter?