ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The administration is really staging a smear campaign on this woman. Unbelievable!

It’s so cruel. I believed Adam Serwer 8 years ago (“the cruelty is the point”) but it still stuns me that real people get off on this kind of tone. It’s just pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The administration is really staging a smear campaign on this woman. Unbelievable!

It’s so cruel. I believed Adam Serwer 8 years ago (“the cruelty is the point”) but it still stuns me that real people get off on this kind of tone. It’s just pathetic.

It’s also counterproductive. I’m not sure who they think they’re winning over with this approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope when Trump leave office, there is a purge of ICE officers and they do time for their crimes.

The Republican trifecta made ICE the 13th largest army in the world. There will certainly be some drawdown of those funds in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The administration is really staging a smear campaign on this woman. Unbelievable!

It’s so cruel. I believed Adam Serwer 8 years ago (“the cruelty is the point”) but it still stuns me that real people get off on this kind of tone. It’s just pathetic.

It’s also counterproductive. I’m not sure who they think they’re winning over with this approach.

There is a part of MAGA that love this

Just chum in the water for them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who are comfortable antagonizing poorly trained, jacked up people with guns. It shouldn’t be this way but we’ve seen enough of police shooting people for me to wonder at the lack of self preservation.

If you’re gonna protest. Think about what you are doing. How you are doing it and what the possible outcomes might be. I know people will say it’s victim blaming but the only thing we can control is what we do.

So, your solution is to sit back and let moron thugs with guns run the country?

Maybe the forefathers should have got on their knees for the British and their guns.

No I’m saying act with purpose and forethought. Maybe get some protest training. Don’t waste your one valuable life. If you want to be simple cannon fodder go ahead.

And if I get shot just going home?

What then if ICE pulls the trigger.

There is no accountability

Just don't² block traffic intentionally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If ICE has no accountability then they are not legitimate federal law enforcement officers.

They must release all evidence they have on the incident. They must allow an independent investigation.

Or they lose their tenuous claim to legitimacy.

Vance said today that the agent in question--and by extension ALL ICE agents--have "absolute immunity." Who's going to take the federal government on to fight that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really concerned about the details of this $50,000 hiring bonus new ICE agents are getting.

For many of them, that money is more than a year's salary. I'm sure many have great need of the cash and have used it to get out of debt ot get current on rent or mortgage, pay back taxes and back child support. All the things you should do if you get a large infusion of cash.

But once that bonus is spent - are they obligated to work for a certain lenth of time? If they want to quit, do you they have to return the money? Because that's a serious disincentive to quit. And wouldn't it put them under even greater pressure to not be fired, to do whatever they are told, even if they believe it is illegal? Because being fired doesn't just mean losing job and benefits, it means you have to pay back the $50,000?

They also get their student loans paid off.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who are comfortable antagonizing poorly trained, jacked up people with guns. It shouldn’t be this way but we’ve seen enough of police shooting people for me to wonder at the lack of self preservation.

If you’re gonna protest. Think about what you are doing. How you are doing it and what the possible outcomes might be. I know people will say it’s victim blaming but the only thing we can control is what we do.

So, your solution is to sit back and let moron thugs with guns run the country?

Maybe the forefathers should have got on their knees for the British and their guns.

No I’m saying act with purpose and forethought. Maybe get some protest training. Don’t waste your one valuable life. If you want to be simple cannon fodder go ahead.

+1 million

DP and I agree with this. My dad pointed out to me many years ago that Abbie Hoffman rarely got arrested, he knew when to dip.

I posted a thread today regarding what we can do, and the suggestions so far are embarking on no spending and of course running and/or supporting young viable candidates. I like these ideas and am racking my brain for additional constructive suggestions.

ICE got most of the funding from the BBB

A military force who answers to no one except the Trump handlers

They are recruiting from current law enforcement because they are paying SOOO much more than typical LEO salaries.

They will shot people who are just innocent bystanders.

What then of your theory about how to protect yourself?

You can miss me with the nasty tone. No, I don’t want to get murdered by those goons and I don’t advocate for anyone else to, either.

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Anonymous wrote:The reported shooter is lucky. A search for Jonathan Ross still almost exclusively turns up hits for the UK comic and presenter.

I think today it sank in that he will face zero repercusiones and nothing is going to change. This feels like a new and accelerated time, because of the sheer willingness of the government to keep the arms flowing, married to the unwillingness to end sovereign immunity, money in politics, or seriously prosecuting insurrection and murder by state agents and politicians. For every humiliating Bob Menéndez trial, we have a Trump walking around and ruling or getting massive financial windfalls.

This isn’t Kent State. In 1970, you could not be tracked virtually round the clock and/or presumed to be a “terrorist” because you read a columnist or donate to the ACLU. This feels very, very different.

He is apparent from here in Virginia!

What other info is out about him?

Honestly, spark plug bad built balding white guy screaming obscenities while pointing a loaded weapon at an unarmed woman could be any American middle-aged man.

Looks like he lives in Richmond.

We know where you live as well.

C’mon, at least put in a little effort with this kind of stuff. That was embarrassing.

Should have gambled on a neighborhood, like AU Park. This is DCUM not reddit, so odds would be in PP favor.

I would say I dont support doxing people, this should be a matter for the courts; the masking and anonymity of ICE is its own problem, and a departure from usual policing. Like can you demand their name and badge number like a cop? Do they have badges? Badge numbers?

[Anonymous]

Notice that the protesters routinely stand in front of ICE vehicles to block them. They know the ICE agents won’t run them over, because the agents are adults with a concern for people.

But when ICE agents are in front of a protester’s vehicle, they are in danger of being run over, because the protesters are petulant children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who are comfortable antagonizing poorly trained, jacked up people with guns. It shouldn’t be this way but we’ve seen enough of police shooting people for me to wonder at the lack of self preservation.

If you’re gonna protest. Think about what you are doing. How you are doing it and what the possible outcomes might be. I know people will say it’s victim blaming but the only thing we can control is what we do.

This is true. Injecting yourself in tense environments with unprofessional people carrying guns is definitely stupid.

Don't confuse the poorly trained ICE idiot with police officers. 99% of city and state police officers would never have discharged their weapon in this circumstance.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If ICE has no accountability then they are not legitimate federal law enforcement officers.

They must release all evidence they have on the incident. They must allow an independent investigation.

Or they lose their tenuous claim to legitimacy.

Vance said today that the agent in question--and by extension ALL ICE agents--have "absolute immunity." Who's going to take the federal government on to fight that?

He can say whatever he wants. Doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who are comfortable antagonizing poorly trained, jacked up people with guns. It shouldn’t be this way but we’ve seen enough of police shooting people for me to wonder at the lack of self preservation.

If you’re gonna protest. Think about what you are doing. How you are doing it and what the possible outcomes might be. I know people will say it’s victim blaming but the only thing we can control is what we do.

So, your solution is to sit back and let moron thugs with guns run the country?

Maybe the forefathers should have got on their knees for the British and their guns.

No I’m saying act with purpose and forethought. Maybe get some protest training. Don’t waste your one valuable life. If you want to be simple cannon fodder go ahead.

And if I get shot just going home?

What then if ICE pulls the trigger.

There is no accountability

Just don't² block traffic intentionally.

The road was not blocked. She was parked horizontally and blocking a lane, but reports I heard was she waved them to go around her in the opposite lane — its a residential street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notice that the protesters routinely stand in front of ICE vehicles to block them. They know the ICE agents won’t run them over, because the agents are adults with a concern for people.

But when ICE agents are in front of a protester’s vehicle, they are in danger of being run over, because the protesters are petulant children.

The trash have been hired for ICE

they couldn't be hired by passing actual LEO standards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ICE are federal law enforcement officers, just as the Capitol Police are federal LEOs.

Nope. FBI, Capitol Police, and every other agency goes through rigorous training. ICE is just Trump's Gestapo and thug private police.