McLean leaving FVU

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing that MLS next tier 2 will be the equivalent of ECNL, despite that being what tier 2 clubs are trying to brand as.

Many ECNL teams were comprised of mixed communities and alliances, for better or worse. There were not very many of them, and ECNL kept it that way for a reason - to keep the playing level high. Now, if every club that doesn’t like being in an alliance says we are going to spin off and apply for acceptance to MLA next tier 2, and claims that it is an ECNL competitor, they are purely marketing. ECNL is supposed to be super competitive. And so if McLean was contributing let’s say three or four kids to Fairfax union and the other teams were contributing three or four kids, that was the make up of the team. It doesn’t stand to reason that all of the individual clubs can claim that they can break off and field that many ECNL caliber kids on their own. And the more that joined/join 2 while claiming that, the more diluted the player pool quality becomes. Perhaps eventually some of these teams will build and recruit players in such a way that they are comparable to an ECNL team, but certainly not in the expansion years.

It is the equivalent of a bunch of NFL owners and players spinning off and creating the XFL along with some heavy marketing and celebrities, and claiming that it is a competitor to the NFL. It’s not.

Cool story. You are free to take your business elsewhere

Next 2 is not the equivalent of ECNL. It is equivalent to ECRL. McLean’s RL team will become its Next 2 team.

Bingo. MYS Green (currently ECRL) becomes their Tier II 1st team playing in MLS Next Tier II, and MYS White (currently a strong NCSL team) becomes their Tier II 2nd team playing in NAL. Everyone else (Gold, Silver) to stay NCSL. In my opinion the biggest difference here isn't that the top team (Green) plays in an ECRL-competitor, but rather that the 2nd team (White) is no longer playing in NCSL but rather in NAL - which is a step up from NCSL.

And what it means is that any younger players who do happen to have talent will move on to other clubs, such as Springfield, Arlington, FVU, NVA or maybe a MD club, since they will not have access to a higher level of competition. Talent needs competition to be maximized and flourish.

McLean just does not provide the population or culture for this. MYS provides a destination for coaches to get overpaid to train a bunch of privileged kids. And with that you get the politics that has made MYS a below average academy that has required it to create 2 failed partnerships (with SYC and BRAVE) and have it's ECNL-N badge pulled over the last 4 years.

It's really hard to fail at something to this extent unless you are trying to.

Overpaid how? The only material way for coaches in this youth soccer market to get overpaid is to drive excessively large rosters (which is a big red flag) or to stretch their coaches across more teams than usual (which isn't really an issue unless they're unable to focus on each team sufficiently enough). So, which one are they doing? Otherwise, there are likely very trivial differences between a 1099 coach at MYS vs a 1099 coach at [insert any other comparable size/reputation club here].

The most logical argument you above is that the reason McLean has "struggled" in recent years is because of population. It isn't like a Springfield or an Arlington, and it's adjacent to many other clubs which are near-peer competitors - Arlington, Great Falls, Vienna, Potomac, Bethesda, and LOTS of private schools. The reason they've not done great is because of that, not because they're running some scam where they pay coaches more and train kids less.

It's not just population. Coaches do get paid more at MYS. And it creates a self perpetuating situation of increased politics and poor play on each team.

Coaches make a significant amount of money doing private trainings at MYS; I have heard it straight from a coach that they can make $120 an hour. You will not find that in the club finances, but it is a reason many coaches will not leave MYS. And if a parent is paying this amount of money to have their little Johnny be trained separately by their coach, that parent expects that little Johnny will play significant amount of minutes each game. And this creates dissatisfaction amongst other parents and players on the team as they see a less skilled player getting those minutes over a better player. Plus this means the team will more than likely have a better chance at a loosing record, which then means parents will pull their better players off of MYS teams to play at another club. And this is how you end up with bottom of the barrel teams by U13/U14 ages.

I've heard this BS and it's always from parents who's kids are not that great. Why? Because the real truth is coaches will play the kids who are best. I know many players in MYS who don't get personal training and they start each game and play the majority of minutes.

Cry all you want. But, just because a player gets personal training doesn't mean they get more time on the field UNLESS they are actually good. That's just fact. This whole idea of "coaches play the kids who pay for personal training" is a lie. Now, if that kid who does personal training is good enough to take a spot on the field then that's just that. Has nothing to do with anything else. I also know a few kids who personal train and they don't start so there's many kids who are the counter argument to this lie about coaches, personal training, and play time.

I agree with you but to avoid any issues or conflict of interest, just get personal training from a club coach that is not your team's coach.

But then you can’t get an advantage and pretend it doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe Mclean has a policy preventing their coaches from doing private training for any kid at MYS?

Our understanding is that you can train with an MYS coach as long as it isn't your own coach. They try to avoid any conflict/preferential treatment.

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This is what the policy says:

7. MYS coaches may not privately coach any MYS player in exchange for a fee or any other form of gift
or compensation.
8. Private coaching is permitted provided it is made available to all players on a team free of charge.
9. MYS coaches may not provide private coaching to any player who is attempting or planning to join
MYS.

https://mcleansoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MYS-Policy-113-Coach-Code-of-Conduct.pdf

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They definitely turn a blind eye to it because it’s definitely happening and always has.

[Anonymous]

Please report, if they don't know they can't stop it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing that MLS next tier 2 will be the equivalent of ECNL, despite that being what tier 2 clubs are trying to brand as.

Many ECNL teams were comprised of mixed communities and alliances, for better or worse. There were not very many of them, and ECNL kept it that way for a reason - to keep the playing level high. Now, if every club that doesn’t like being in an alliance says we are going to spin off and apply for acceptance to MLA next tier 2, and claims that it is an ECNL competitor, they are purely marketing. ECNL is supposed to be super competitive. And so if McLean was contributing let’s say three or four kids to Fairfax union and the other teams were contributing three or four kids, that was the make up of the team. It doesn’t stand to reason that all of the individual clubs can claim that they can break off and field that many ECNL caliber kids on their own. And the more that joined/join 2 while claiming that, the more diluted the player pool quality becomes. Perhaps eventually some of these teams will build and recruit players in such a way that they are comparable to an ECNL team, but certainly not in the expansion years.

It is the equivalent of a bunch of NFL owners and players spinning off and creating the XFL along with some heavy marketing and celebrities, and claiming that it is a competitor to the NFL. It’s not.

Cool story. You are free to take your business elsewhere

Next 2 is not the equivalent of ECNL. It is equivalent to ECRL. McLean’s RL team will become its Next 2 team.

Bingo. MYS Green (currently ECRL) becomes their Tier II 1st team playing in MLS Next Tier II, and MYS White (currently a strong NCSL team) becomes their Tier II 2nd team playing in NAL. Everyone else (Gold, Silver) to stay NCSL. In my opinion the biggest difference here isn't that the top team (Green) plays in an ECRL-competitor, but rather that the 2nd team (White) is no longer playing in NCSL but rather in NAL - which is a step up from NCSL.

And what it means is that any younger players who do happen to have talent will move on to other clubs, such as Springfield, Arlington, FVU, NVA or maybe a MD club, since they will not have access to a higher level of competition. Talent needs competition to be maximized and flourish.

McLean just does not provide the population or culture for this. MYS provides a destination for coaches to get overpaid to train a bunch of privileged kids. And with that you get the politics that has made MYS a below average academy that has required it to create 2 failed partnerships (with SYC and BRAVE) and have it's ECNL-N badge pulled over the last 4 years.

It's really hard to fail at something to this extent unless you are trying to.

Overpaid how? The only material way for coaches in this youth soccer market to get overpaid is to drive excessively large rosters (which is a big red flag) or to stretch their coaches across more teams than usual (which isn't really an issue unless they're unable to focus on each team sufficiently enough). So, which one are they doing? Otherwise, there are likely very trivial differences between a 1099 coach at MYS vs a 1099 coach at [insert any other comparable size/reputation club here].

The most logical argument you above is that the reason McLean has "struggled" in recent years is because of population. It isn't like a Springfield or an Arlington, and it's adjacent to many other clubs which are near-peer competitors - Arlington, Great Falls, Vienna, Potomac, Bethesda, and LOTS of private schools. The reason they've not done great is because of that, not because they're running some scam where they pay coaches more and train kids less.

It's not just population. Coaches do get paid more at MYS. And it creates a self perpetuating situation of increased politics and poor play on each team.

Coaches make a significant amount of money doing private trainings at MYS; I have heard it straight from a coach that they can make $120 an hour. You will not find that in the club finances, but it is a reason many coaches will not leave MYS. And if a parent is paying this amount of money to have their little Johnny be trained separately by their coach, that parent expects that little Johnny will play significant amount of minutes each game. And this creates dissatisfaction amongst other parents and players on the team as they see a less skilled player getting those minutes over a better player. Plus this means the team will more than likely have a better chance at a loosing record, which then means parents will pull their better players off of MYS teams to play at another club. And this is how you end up with bottom of the barrel teams by U13/U14 ages.

I've heard this BS and it's always from parents who's kids are not that great. Why? Because the real truth is coaches will play the kids who are best. I know many players in MYS who don't get personal training and they start each game and play the majority of minutes.

Cry all you want. But, just because a player gets personal training doesn't mean they get more time on the field UNLESS they are actually good. That's just fact. This whole idea of "coaches play the kids who pay for personal training" is a lie. Now, if that kid who does personal training is good enough to take a spot on the field then that's just that. Has nothing to do with anything else. I also know a few kids who personal train and they don't start so there's many kids who are the counter argument to this lie about coaches, personal training, and play time.

I have no skin in this game. My son never played at MYS and played on a local DA/ECNL club that would play against MYS/Union, but he is now playing in college. I do personally know coaches that worked for MYS/Union and did feel a pressure to play kids that they were privately coaching. Coaches may start the better player, but would substitute and give lower level players more than average playing time than they otherwise would based on talent.

I appreciated this personally since my son's team consistently beat MYS/Union teams. In fact, I don't ever remember his team losing to them. MYS teams were always mediocre at best and now it sounds like all of the better players will be playing for FVU or another ECNL/MLSNext team for the next few years. Maybe MYS can build something from the younger age groups, but unless the culture changes and MYS starts developing young talent, I just don't think that is possible based on population size and demographics.

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MYS is serving their community and membership well. they have a good program for as small as Mclean is, they have direct control over GA/Next 2 now which positions them better than most clubs

If your player needs something more then by all means move on and chase that dream.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe Mclean has a policy preventing their coaches from doing private training for any kid at MYS?

It does.

[Anonymous]

2010 girls GA coach is posted. Finally a female coach. Know anything about her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2010 girls GA coach is posted. Finally a female coach. Know anything about her?

https://washingtonspirit.com/blog/2023/10/31/washington-spirit-announces-inaugural-female-coaching-mentorship-class/

[Anonymous]

Top coach in this area, positive and develops players. Amazing hire for MYS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top coach in this area, positive and develops players. Amazing hire for MYS

Great choice. Huge loss for her current club

[Anonymous]

Good, need positive female role models at this level there are too few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GA2 probably will be RL players, GA1 will probably be RL players. Mixture of both

Did GA2 offers go out already or is that what the next round of tryouts are for?

[Anonymous]

This is from the MYS website. "The 2025-2026 MLS Next New Competition Tier ID Sessions for players U13-U19 have been concluded."

So, sounds like the new Tier II stuff starts at U13 at which point the "A" team plays MLSN Tier2 and the "B" teams plays NAL, and all remaining teams play NCSL/EDP.

What about the U11-U12 ages? In what league(s) will the A, B, and C teams play, considering that it sounds like MLSN2 and NAL only start at U13.