FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.


Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.


I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.


DP. Re: the bolded, going to take issue with that. Absolutely no one in the county gives two $hits whether Langley's boundaries are changed - except the families who will actually be affected, their friends who live closer to Langley, and the psycho obsessives who fall into neither group but simply want to screw this community to assuage their own pathetic insecurity. That's it. No one else in the county is fretting and fixating on this small group of families. They are worried about THEIR OWN CHILDREN, like normal people.


I said most people would be indifferent or happy if Langley’s boundaries are changed. Indifferent = not caring.

Unfortunately for Great Falls, it appears some of those in the latter camp are School Board members, and they may well steamroll the Langley crowd, whose local influence has waned. Calling them “psycho obsessives” when they see themselves just doing their jobs won’t help you much either.
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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how moving Forestville kids will improve Herndon High School. Higher IQs, higher GPAs, higher incomes will not suddenly make the current Herndon students any better. Will the average test scorew go up? Probably, but that does not help my kids.

I do however think it is ridiculous that homes that are undeniably MUCH closer to Herndon, are zoned for Langley. If you paid more for your house, wirh a Herndon address and assumed your home would be zoned for Langley for eternity, I am sorry for you. .


It made sense when they changed the boundaries thirty years ago.

A new look might mean those houses go back.


I'm curious, how did it make sense (Herndon addresses going to langley) ? Did HHS not exist?


It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/


The Region 1 community meeting is going to be insane. No wonder they scheduled it for last.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.


Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.


I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.


DP. Re: the bolded, going to take issue with that. Absolutely no one in the county gives two $hits whether Langley's boundaries are changed - except the families who will actually be affected, their friends who live closer to Langley, and the psycho obsessives who fall into neither group but simply want to screw this community to assuage their own pathetic insecurity. That's it. No one else in the county is fretting and fixating on this small group of families. They are worried about THEIR OWN CHILDREN, like normal people.


I imagine that the families at overcrowded McLean might also have an interest in the situation. I fall into neither camp, but I mind that this pretty infighting is taking over an otherwise useful thread.
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It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/



If I’m following 31 years ago some Langley neighborhoods in Vienna were moved from Great Falls ES to Forestville ES, which at the time was primarily a Herndon feeder (because most of that area didn’t move to Langley until the following year).

And the Great Falls families shouted “Go Back to Vienna” at the Vienna families they wanted to kick out of GFES.

Ironically, the SB may now be saying “Go Back to Herndon” to some of the Great Falls families, while those Vienna families (now at Colvin Run) may remain at Langley.

Talk about karma!
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It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/



If I’m following 31 years ago some Langley neighborhoods in Vienna were moved from Great Falls ES to Forestville ES, which at the time was primarily a Herndon feeder (because most of that area didn’t move to Langley until the following year).

And the Great Falls families shouted “Go Back to Vienna” at the Vienna families they wanted to kick out of GFES.

Ironically, the SB may now be saying “Go Back to Herndon” to some of the Great Falls families, while those Vienna families (now at Colvin Run) may remain at Langley.

Talk about karma!


If I’m following, the people in my parents generation had something happen with their school boundaries decades ago when I was eight and lived many states away, and now you think it’s karma that they are redoing boundaries?

Karma doesn’t mean what you think it means 🙄
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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.


Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.


9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.


Not in the realm of possibility. They are struggling enough already with the existing 6-8 vs 7-8 MS divide.

And secondary schools on top of that. How does 7-9 work, do AAP kids get kicked back to their home school for 9th?


Why not? Will AAP centers even survive?


No. AAP centers should be the first thing to go. Talk about an inequitable system, not to mention extra, unnecessary busing.
DP

At a minimum, they need to get rid of AAP in middle school. There's no difference between honors classes and AAP, those kids can just take Honors at their base school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.


Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.


I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.


DP. Re: the bolded, going to take issue with that. Absolutely no one in the county gives two $hits whether Langley's boundaries are changed - except the families who will actually be affected, their friends who live closer to Langley, and the psycho obsessives who fall into neither group but simply want to screw this community to assuage their own pathetic insecurity. That's it. No one else in the county is fretting and fixating on this small group of families. They are worried about THEIR OWN CHILDREN, like normal people.


I imagine that the families at overcrowded McLean might also have an interest in the situation. I fall into neither camp, but I mind that this pretty infighting is taking over an otherwise useful thread.


McLean families primarily want their capacity down, which is facilitated by moving the attendance islands. I don’t get the sense that many are sticking their necks out to support the equity push by the school board, especially since that will burn them at some point.
Anonymous
Overpopulation + distance to schools. Possibly fixing some very odd boundaries that raise some eyebrows.

These things will probably be looked at. But, who knows. None of us. None of the people on here being *so* nasty to each other. I want to say something about the parenting of people willing to fire off vile comments on here and attack others, but I’m trying to keep this neutral. WHY ARE YOU ALL FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER?!? Take it to the hearings and school board, make your thoughts heard eloquently.
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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how moving Forestville kids will improve Herndon High School. Higher IQs, higher GPAs, higher incomes will not suddenly make the current Herndon students any better. Will the average test scorew go up? Probably, but that does not help my kids.

I do however think it is ridiculous that homes that are undeniably MUCH closer to Herndon, are zoned for Langley. If you paid more for your house, wirh a Herndon address and assumed your home would be zoned for Langley for eternity, I am sorry for you. .


It made sense when they changed the boundaries thirty years ago.

A new look might mean those houses go back.


I'm curious, how did it make sense (Herndon addresses going to langley) ? Did HHS not exist?


It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/


The Region 1 community meeting is going to be insane. No wonder they scheduled it for last.


That insanity is one reason I posted that article. Dranesville Elementary is getting about a 400 seat capacity enhancement [ was under capacity] and Herndon HS has the addition. Churchill Road has a modular adding 252 program capacity seats and Springhill projects at or over. SY2028-29 projections for 5 schools removing the modular and targeting 93% utilization [bubble years, growth, etc] has a major elementary school seat deficit.

FCPS continually packing Forestville had the effect of removing access for some households north of Route 7 with access roads Seneca and east. I guess some was based on available capacity but conditions have changed. Clearest map with streets https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundaries.pdf







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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how moving Forestville kids will improve Herndon High School. Higher IQs, higher GPAs, higher incomes will not suddenly make the current Herndon students any better. Will the average test scorew go up? Probably, but that does not help my kids.

I do however think it is ridiculous that homes that are undeniably MUCH closer to Herndon, are zoned for Langley. If you paid more for your house, wirh a Herndon address and assumed your home would be zoned for Langley for eternity, I am sorry for you. .


It made sense when they changed the boundaries thirty years ago.

A new look might mean those houses go back.


I'm curious, how did it make sense (Herndon addresses going to langley) ? Did HHS not exist?


It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/


The Region 1 community meeting is going to be insane. No wonder they scheduled it for last.


That insanity is one reason I posted that article. Dranesville Elementary is getting about a 400 seat capacity enhancement [ was under capacity] and Herndon HS has the addition. Churchill Road has a modular adding 252 program capacity seats and Springhill projects at or over. SY2028-29 projections for 5 schools removing the modular and targeting 93% utilization [bubble years, growth, etc] has a major elementary school seat deficit.

FCPS continually packing Forestville had the effect of removing access for some households north of Route 7 with access roads Seneca and east. I guess some was based on available capacity but conditions have changed. Clearest map with streets https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundaries.pdf


Can someone explain Churchill’s capacity issues to me? Its design capacity is 710 without the modulars, yet its program capacity is only 477. What else is occupying that building that prevents them from accessing those seats?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

It existed and pre Aldrin opening the 3 C's wanted residences north of Route 7 to vacate Great Falls Elementary so they could stay and not go to Forestville. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/12/02/great-falls-war-is-over-but-healing-will-be-slow/25a22be7-b906-40a2-9c6d-ade1a812cd12/



If I’m following 31 years ago some Langley neighborhoods in Vienna were moved from Great Falls ES to Forestville ES, which at the time was primarily a Herndon feeder (because most of that area didn’t move to Langley until the following year).

And the Great Falls families shouted “Go Back to Vienna” at the Vienna families they wanted to kick out of GFES.

Ironically, the SB may now be saying “Go Back to Herndon” to some of the Great Falls families, while those Vienna families (now at Colvin Run) may remain at Langley.

Talk about karma!


If I’m following, the people in my parents generation had something happen with their school boundaries decades ago when I was eight and lived many states away, and now you think it’s karma that they are redoing boundaries?

Karma doesn’t mean what you think it means 🙄


Karma can have a long tail but, yeah, it’s obviously going to impact a different group of people (although maybe someone who dug up a Post article from 1993 has been here forever, lol).
Anonymous
Trust me. The Langley HS boundaries will not change such that students in that pyramid will go to HHS. The parents there will use some sort of grift to make sure of that. There is no point discussing it.
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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how moving Forestville kids will improve Herndon High School. Higher IQs, higher GPAs, higher incomes will not suddenly make the current Herndon students any better. Will the average test scorew go up? Probably, but that does not help my kids.

I do however think it is ridiculous that homes that are undeniably MUCH closer to Herndon, are zoned for Langley. If you paid more for your house, wirh a Herndon address and assumed your home would be zoned for Langley for eternity, I am sorry for you. .


It made sense when they changed the boundaries thirty years ago.

A new look might mean those houses go back.


I'm curious, how did it make sense (Herndon addresses going to langley) ? Did HHS not exist?


They were adjusting for capacity at Langley and overcrowding at Herndon. Some houses pretty close to Herndon were sent to Langley. In the ensuing years, new houses were built that perhaps should have reasonably been boundaried for Herndon. The scuttlebutt is that builders made deals so that they could charge more for houses zoned to the higher-performing school.

Thirty years on, it makes sense to consider that some of the areas sent to Langley would be boundaried for Herndon again.

Many people assumed that the dividing line would be what it was (Springvale I believe?) but Great Falls has increased in density, as has Herndon. Langley and Herndon were both expanded in their renovations. There are drastic capacity imbalances among several schools. Who knows what the final result will be.

In my opinion everyone on the south side of rt 7 can look forward to a shorter bus ride for their children to high school. When that new development on the old mini golf site was zoned to Herndon, and then the school board refused to rezone it for Langley during the last boundary shift--even though neighborhoods on either side were zoned to Langley--that was a clear signal.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.


Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.


9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.


Please just stop. You are talking nonsense that no one agrees with.


I agree with PP. Bring back junior high if it makes sense in some spots. If a feeder middle school has space and it's high school is overcrowded (don't know if that exists but if it does) adding 9th graders back to the middle school would be a great use of space and minimize disruption.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.


Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.


9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.


Please just stop. You are talking nonsense that no one agrees with.


I agree with PP. Bring back junior high if it makes sense in some spots. If a feeder middle school has space and it's high school is overcrowded (don't know if that exists but if it does) adding 9th graders back to the middle school would be a great use of space and minimize disruption.


Can anyone point to specific areas of the county where this would be an efficient solution?

In the areas I’m familiar with it absolutely would not work given the size of the middle schools. And there’s also the current situation at Glasgow where parents are adamant on shrinking a current 6-8 MS that actually has a large building. If you told them they were getting a 7-9 MS instead they’d think you’d lost your mind.
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