Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who say Charlie Lirk was a great person, nothing but respectful, only trying to do good in the world…

Do you think it’s a good thing that his organization (Turning Point USA) maintained a “Professor Watch List”? That list has led to people getting death threats and needing security to do their jobs. Would you want to be on such a list? Would that make you feel safe? Do you think putting people on a public list that results in them being targeted by unstable
individuals is a Christian thing to do?

I am really trying to understand how people can sort of paper over documented harmful actions like this. And I don’t wish to hear a whataboutism type argument about something a liberal did because that’s not the question at hand. It just seems to me that people are cherry picking certain actions and words to only paint CK in a good light simply because CK was on “their team”.

Oh and to be clear I am in no way trying to suggest that CK deserved what happened. There is no justification for murder. I am specifically trying to understand the current effort to paint an image that is not the full picture of what CK did and stood for.

When people die, humans have a custom of saying nice things about them rather than listing their shortcomings.

Sure, for people you know personally. But why go out of your way to practically canonize a public figure you have never met in a social media post, when there are documented things that person did which are not Christian?

I don’t think it helps anyone to act like someone never did a single harmful thing in their life and use that to paint one side as all good and one side as all evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Wall Street Journal confirms a leaked document from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) reveals that the weapon found near the site of Charlie Kirk’s assassination was equipped with cartridges engraved with symbols and phrases tied to transgender and Antifa ideology.

False flag? Stinks of it.

Antifa doesn’t exist, if they did why aren’t they fighting the real fascists in DC?! They’re leaving the fight to a guy and a sandwich. Total false flag!

The wording about "ideology" was lifted directly from a series of insider messages at one of the law enforcement agencies. Doesn't bode well that LE thinks Antifa is actually a thing or that transgender people even have an ideology! No - transgender people are just trying to survive and not get horrifically tortured and murdered, like so many of them are.

I can believe that the perp is a mentally ill person who espouses views opposite to those of Charlie Kirk, either on the even-further-right or the left, and that they are either accepting of gender variations, or very much against them and trying a false flag operation. Either of these would make sense.

But the way this is phrased makes me think no one at these agencies even understands the oppression that transgender people live through, and that makes me sad.

Yes, anytime someone says “transgender ideology” I know they’ve been brainwashed. I have known two people who are transgender. One of whom I knew as a child. The idea that either of these individuals succumbed or promoted an ideology about being trans is absurd.

Exactly. My high school daughter has a friend who is trans. He's the most gentle, lovable person you could imagine. There is no ideology there at all. He's entirely innocent of any scheming, plotting, politics, etc. He sits with my daughter at lunch and makes her laugh, even when she's stressed out with Calc BC. It breaks my heart that hateful people are going after this vulnerable group.

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Anonymous wrote:Wall Street Journal confirms a leaked document from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) reveals that the weapon found near the site of Charlie Kirk’s assassination was equipped with cartridges engraved with symbols and phrases tied to transgender and Antifa ideology.

If true, who's to say this isn't a false flag?

You’re totally right because the trans community doesn’t have any recent history of violence and shooting people……

Yeah but who'd be dumb enough to mark their rifle with identifying symbols, and then leave it to be found? And what a convenient "leak".

Also, trans community violence is dwarfed in comparison to right wing extremist violence.

On a per capita basis? Are you serious?

It's a little too convenient that this "leak" happens right after DOJ is trying to ban trans people from owning guns.

And that Charlie was speaking about trans violence when he was shot.

Professional hit by Russia. Russia's goal is to sow division.

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Statement from Former Dem Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was shot in the head in 2011 in an attempted assassination at a public speaking event and who was permanently disabled as a result:

"The murder of Charlie Kirk breaks my heart. My deepest sympathies are with his wife, two young children, and friends.
Attacks against political or ideological opponents are cowardly and un-American, and must be universally condemned.
This summer alone, both Democrats and Republicans have been assassinated in heinous acts of political violence. It’s terrifying, and has no place in a democracy.
The responsibility to protect our public servants, political figures, and all Americans is not partisan. It’s patriotic—and long overdue. Congress must take action, now."

2011. Nothing has changed.

Things have changed, actually - there's been a significant increase in political violence since 2011, and most of those have been perpetrated by the far-right. Many years ago, federal law enforcement identified far-right extremists as the number 1 domestic terrorist threat.

Despite the right-wing bubble exploding over this particular assassination, the FACTS point to much more violence on the right than on the left.

I am the PP you are responding to. I'll clarify: I meant nothing has changed FOR THE BETTER. These horrific acts continue. The current state of affairs is horrendous. Per Giffords, Congress must take action.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all of the preceding 104 pages but it se me to me that the person responsible for the most hateful and dangerous talk is none other than Donald J. Trump. Without any evidence he blamed the left.

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Every accusation is a confession. Blaming an entire side of the political spectrum for this killing is preposterous and a blatant effort to justify retaliatory violence.

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This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's personality is the root cause of the recent increase in political violence. He sews division and brings out the worst in people.

Right, so Charlie Kirk getting executed in cold blood during a college debate would be Trump’s fault—because his personality rubs people the wrong way?

The rhetoric has never been worse than it is now and yes, a big part is Trump and his abrasive and disrespectful manner of speaking. Politicians didn’t speak to each other like this prior to him, and the behavior has spread to the point were politics can’t be handled in a professional and respectful manner.

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Anonymous wrote:Wall Street Journal confirms a leaked document from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) reveals that the weapon found near the site of Charlie Kirk’s assassination was equipped with cartridges engraved with symbols and phrases tied to transgender and Antifa ideology.

If true, who's to say this isn't a false flag?

You’re totally right because the trans community doesn’t have any recent history of violence and shooting people……

Yeah but who'd be dumb enough to mark their rifle with identifying symbols, and then leave it to be found? And what a convenient "leak".

Also, trans community violence is dwarfed in comparison to right wing extremist violence.

On a per capita basis? Are you serious?

It's a little too convenient that this "leak" happens right after DOJ is trying to ban trans people from owning guns.

And that Charlie was speaking about trans violence when he was shot.

Professional hit by Russia. Russia's goal is to sow division.

It's working

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's personality is the root cause of the recent increase in political violence. He sews division and brings out the worst in people.

Right, so Charlie Kirk getting executed in cold blood during a college debate would be Trump’s fault—because his personality rubs people the wrong way?

DP. I think a lot of the blame lies with Republicans who for decades have stymied sensible gun control. Trump, in particular, quietly rolled back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns in 2017.

He’s also weaponizing Kirk’s death before his bumbling FBI has solved the case. Not to mention talking about Democrats as enemies of America.

While they are not to blame, they are not blameless.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all of the preceding 104 pages but it se me to me that the person responsible for the most hateful and dangerous talk is none other than Donald J. Trump. Without any evidence he blamed the left.

Even if it turns out that it is indeed a far-left person who killed this influencer, it still doesn't make it OK to vow mass retribution on all Democratic groups. Whenever a far-right perp tries to kill people, we're not on here saying the GOP needs to be disbanded, and deep red cities put under martial law.

The most violent rhetoric ALWAYS comes from the right.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's personality is the root cause of the recent increase in political violence. He sews division and brings out the worst in people.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

They killed him with a a gun. It’s gun violence. Don’t be a child.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

It was with a bolt action hunting rifle, which is why these calls to link this with gun control are absurd. No one is banning bolt action hunting rifles. Even the most radical anti-gun posters would think that’d be impossible to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all of the preceding 104 pages but it se me to me that the person responsible for the most hateful and dangerous talk is none other than Donald J. Trump. Without any evidence he blamed the left.

Ugh, have you seen the latest news?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's personality is the root cause of the recent increase in political violence. He sews division and brings out the worst in people.

Right, so Charlie Kirk getting executed in cold blood during a college debate would be Trump’s fault—because his personality rubs people the wrong way?

The rhetoric has never been worse than it is now and yes, a big part is Trump and his abrasive and disrespectful manner of speaking. Politicians didn’t speak to each other like this prior to him, and the behavior has spread to the point were politics can’t be handled in a professional and respectful manner.

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