College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Finally,an article on recruiting:

https://apnews.com/article/college-football-recruiting-sec-big-ten-1a41ed28b1d3bccd0975507efbe74698

[Anonymous]

If the Big Ten Conference refuses to accept Stanford, it may be a repeat of when Notre Dame asked to join the conference and the Big Ten said no.

Big Ten: Don't make the same mistake twice.

[Anonymous]

Stanford should accept zero revenue and join big ten

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Big Ten Conference refuses to accept Stanford, it may be a repeat of when Notre Dame asked to join the conference and the Big Ten said no.

Big Ten: Don't make the same mistake twice.

Notre Dame has said no 5-6 times since then. When they asked to join the first time, the team was full of ringers and the school was a barely functioning seminary.

[Anonymous]

Sports Illustrated reporting on si.com that several ACC officials would not be surprised if FSU filed notice that it is leaving the ACC in 2025. Purpose of notice at this time is to give FSU more than a year's time to develop an exit strategy. (The University of Texas gave 4 years notice of its move to the SEC.)

In my opinion, the main reason that FSU would give notice over a year in advance would be to try to generate interest from the SEC or Big Ten, time to workout a settlement with the ACC, and to encourage Clemson and others to start working on ACC exit strategies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sports Illustrated reporting on si.com that several ACC officials would not be surprised if FSU filed notice that it is leaving the ACC in 2025. Purpose of notice at this time is to give FSU more than a year's time to develop an exit strategy. (The University of Texas gave 4 years notice of its move to the SEC.)

In my opinion, the main reason that FSU would give notice over a year in advance would be to try to generate interest from the SEC or Big Ten, time to workout a settlement with the ACC, and to encourage Clemson and others to start working on ACC exit strategies.

How do they negotiate with other conferences when they have no right to air their own home games? If you figure price to exit with their media rights is based on how much less Disney will be willing to pay the ACC over the next 11 years (assuming a 2025 exit) without FSU, then they'll have to bankrupt themselves to get out. After paying, they can then beg the SEC to further crowd Florida (likely over Florida's objection and with Disney laugh when the league asks them to pay more than double what they were playing for FSU games) or the Big10 to ignore their AAU policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sports Illustrated reporting on si.com that several ACC officials would not be surprised if FSU filed notice that it is leaving the ACC in 2025. Purpose of notice at this time is to give FSU more than a year's time to develop an exit strategy. (The University of Texas gave 4 years notice of its move to the SEC.)

In my opinion, the main reason that FSU would give notice over a year in advance would be to try to generate interest from the SEC or Big Ten, time to workout a settlement with the ACC, and to encourage Clemson and others to start working on ACC exit strategies.

How do they negotiate with other conferences when they have no right to air their own home games? If you figure price to exit with their media rights is based on how much less Disney will be willing to pay the ACC over the next 11 years (assuming a 2025 exit) without FSU, then they'll have to bankrupt themselves to get out. After paying, they can then beg the SEC to further crowd Florida (likely over Florida's objection and with Disney laugh when the league asks them to pay more than double what they were playing for FSU games) or the Big10 to ignore their AAU policy.

Probably would only occur if FSU worked out a settlement in writing that FSU disply to other conferences.

Recently, several internet outlets reported that FSU had agreed to settle with the ACC for $300 million. Maybe true or maybe done to see if SEC or Big Ten would engage in discussions with FSU. (FSU had hired an investment bank which then brought in a respected private equity firm.)

[Anonymous]

CORRECTION: "that FSU could display to other conferences."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sports Illustrated reporting on si.com that several ACC officials would not be surprised if FSU filed notice that it is leaving the ACC in 2025. Purpose of notice at this time is to give FSU more than a year's time to develop an exit strategy. (The University of Texas gave 4 years notice of its move to the SEC.)

In my opinion, the main reason that FSU would give notice over a year in advance would be to try to generate interest from the SEC or Big Ten, time to workout a settlement with the ACC, and to encourage Clemson and others to start working on ACC exit strategies.

How do they negotiate with other conferences when they have no right to air their own home games? If you figure price to exit with their media rights is based on how much less Disney will be willing to pay the ACC over the next 11 years (assuming a 2025 exit) without FSU, then they'll have to bankrupt themselves to get out. After paying, they can then beg the SEC to further crowd Florida (likely over Florida's objection and with Disney laugh when the league asks them to pay more than double what they were playing for FSU games) or the Big10 to ignore their AAU policy.

Probably would only occur if FSU worked out a settlement in writing that FSU disply to other conferences.

Recently, several internet outlets reported that FSU had agreed to settle with the ACC for $300 million. Maybe true or maybe done to see if SEC or Big Ten would engage in discussions with FSU. (FSU had hired an investment bank which then brought in a respected private equity firm.)

That number is at the bottom of what the range would be so I could see a deal there. But news also is SEC and Big10 do not want them. So they have nowhere to go.

I do not buy a deal though unless it came with an agreement to flip their vote on expansion. That deal is probably there today if someone would take them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(OP again)

Seems like the ACC may be inviting more dissent and trouble if it expands by adding Stanford or Cal. Too much travel and Cal, unlike Stanford & SMU, cannot afford to accept anything less than a full share. Other ACC schools will suffer due to increased costs in terms of money, fatigue, and psychological stress. Doesn't make sense.

However, SMU for free for 5 to 7 years is a great opportunity for the ACC to break into the Texas market for little to no cost.

The Big Ten Conference needs to take a step back from the TV overlords and reconsider Stanford's candidacy for Big Ten Conference membership. Stanford is both an academic and a research powerhouse with a very vibrant, successful athletics program. Negatives are recruiting competition for Big Ten West Coast schools and modest football viewership numbers.

Stanford's negatives can be overcome as Stanford recruits nationally and football viewership numbers will rise as Stanford's football team improves under its new head coach and as viewers experience Big Ten football. The weakness is that Stanford does not draw a national viewership for football games. Will improve because only the best teams from the Pac-12 moved to the Big Ten Conference and because Big Ten games do draw national viewership.

Plus, the Big Ten Conference will benefit academically from its association with research powerhouse Stanford.

And Stanford's traditional rival is stadium packing Notre Dame which always draws viewers from coast-to-coast. Anything that brings Notre Dame closer to the Big Ten Conference is a good thing.

No Stanford is not a football fanatic school with a football fanatic fanbase as are Clemson & FSU, but Stanford is available now and comes without any legal entanglements. And Stanford is willing to join the Big Ten Conference for a small payout over the remaining 6 years of the current TV contract.

My advice to the Big Ten Conference: Don't be blinded by the TV overloads short-term vision.

I think they all go ACC. This is not even close to over.

[Anonymous]

Someone is really shilling hard for Stanford (for fear of being relegated to the Mountain West or Ind. status)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone is really shilling hard for Stanford (for fear of being relegated to the Mountain West or Ind. status)

Lots of folks are pushing hard for Stanford.

Fox News just reported that the state of North Carolina just passed a law banning transgender athletes from competing ( I cannot finish the sentence based on actual knowledge) in female sports. Doesn't Stanford have a transgender swimmer on the school's women's team ? California far left liberalism may not be well received in ACC country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone is really shilling hard for Stanford (for fear of being relegated to the Mountain West or Ind. status)

It would be embarrassing for the ACC to accept Cal and Stanford. It would result in potentially less money, add to travel, and you have to deal with the Californian legislature. They would be taking sloppy thirds. Big 12 and BIG passed on them for a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone is really shilling hard for Stanford (for fear of being relegated to the Mountain West or Ind. status)

It would be embarrassing for the ACC to accept Cal and Stanford. It would result in potentially less money, add to travel, and you have to deal with the Californian legislature. They would be taking sloppy thirds. Big 12 and BIG passed on them for a reason.

It makes zero logistical sense. Stanford should beg B1G to let them in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone is really shilling hard for Stanford (for fear of being relegated to the Mountain West or Ind. status)

It would be embarrassing for the ACC to accept Cal and Stanford. It would result in potentially less money, add to travel, and you have to deal with the Californian legislature. They would be taking sloppy thirds. Big 12 and BIG passed on them for a reason.

It makes zero logistical sense. Stanford should beg B1G to let them in

Agree.