What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am admittedly overly invested in this case.

One thing that is mentioned repeatedly on the WebSleuths site, is that there were extreme heat warnings in the days leading up to this hike. The high in Marioposa the day before the hike was 105. A PP keeps claiming that the temps caught them off guard and they only expected it to be 97 that day. I haven’t gone snd pulled the records, but the consensus on WebSleuths seems to be that the heat was a well known factor prior to the hike and it did not unexpectedly become much hotter than anticipated.

The WS site also includes the hourly weather for the area and day of the hike, and it was over 100 at 11 and well into the 90s at 9.

The daily high temps for Mariposa for the week preceding the hike were 93, 93, 96, 97, 96, 96 and 95. So higher than average but no "extreme heat warnings."
Your friends on the other website are BSing about having hourly temps for the "area of the hike." They are not captured anywhere. It's a relatively remote area. Don't believe everything you read on the web.

That’s extreme heat for a one year old and furry dog.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is saying that it should be obvious that they died of heat stroke if that was the case, you're forgetting that their bodies baked in the relentless heat for 24 hours before they were found. The decomposition process is accelerated in high temperatures. I think people are picturing a far different picture than what the medical examiner is dealing with.

Ugh that is awful to think about. That poor family. It must have been horrifying to be the responders/investigators on the scene.

Well it’s even worse for the two two deputies who had to stay overnight at the site to keep the site from being tampered with. Do you shine your flashlights on the bodies? Do you pretend the dead aren’t there? So weird at least to me, but I’m not cop and maybe they’re used to seeing all kinds of situations so this doesn’t faze them.

The police left the bodies there overnight?

Or they were just protecting the site after the bodies were removed?

They are cops. I’m sure it wasn’t fun but it’s part of the job description.

This article says the bodies were airlifted on Wednesday afternoon.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article253577919.html

[Anonymous]

What about COVID? Maybe they all went through a recent bout of COVID and seemed to have recovered. But, in fact, they (one or both the adults) had decreased lung capacity or other sickness-related debilitation. They misjudged their fitness and abilities on that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about COVID? Maybe they all went through a recent bout of COVID and seemed to have recovered. But, in fact, they (one or both the adults) had decreased lung capacity or other sickness-related debilitation. They misjudged their fitness and abilities on that day.

I'm leaning toward a bad case of the flu.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). [b]Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing.[/b] But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.[/quote]

Come on, please tell us (bolded). Those of us who have read 100+ pages of this thread pages are listening.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). [b]Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing.[/b] But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.[/quote]

Come on, please tell us (bolded). Those of us who have read 100+ pages of this thread pages are listening. [/quote]

Tried to fix the format above, but I was curious about PP's "leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing." Interested to hear.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing. But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

[b]Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.[/quote][/b]

take that bs and stuff it. Some of you are just nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing. But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.

Also consider, this is california in an area with lots of beautiful scenic hikes. There are lots of places they could have chosen to go. Instead they chose this hike where they knew there was unlikely to be anyone else on the trail (and indeed, there wasn’t since they weren’t discovered despite being there for over 48 hours).

16:26 again. Agree. Could the dad have been insistent enough, and mom more passive? Why didn't she have her phone? Where's her phone? No mention of it by investigators. Dad's seated position is weighing on me too.

What are the vOiCEs telling you?

Many people in the Grand Canyon are found dead in a seated position - sitting stuck on ledges, sitting where they stopped to rest. Another kind of interesting fact, people often die because they wander off the trails - sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. In some of the remote areas, it can be hard to identify the trail. They literally walk off a cliff or hike down a trail they can't see well and get stuck on a ledge with a tremenous drop below them and they cant climb back up.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). [b]Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing.[/b] But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.[/quote]

Come on, please tell us (bolded). Those of us who have read 100+ pages of this thread pages are listening. [/quote]

Tried to fix the format above, but I was curious about PP's "leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing." Interested to hear.[/quote]

Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

[Anonymous]

I don’t think it’s that odd the mom didn’t have her cell phone with her. There’s no reception anyways so why carry the few extra ounces. I hike often and if I know there will be no cell service, I don’t carry it. DH carries one for pictures and emergencies. It’s essential to pack light on strenuous trips. Every ounce matters.

And PP who got a “weird vibe” from the family photos—why? They looked happy, successful, and adventurous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are from AZ and if you aren’t used to heat it can be misleading. In our low humidity 100 doesn’t really feel hot. Especially if you are used to how heat feels with higher humidity. It’s very dangerous because you will overheat without feeling it till it’s too late. That’s why we never go anywhere without water and have ordinances requiring businesses to have water available.

I’m also from AZ. People don’t embark on hikes in the middle of heat warnings when it’s already close to 99 degrees with no shade. It’s just not a thing.

August hiking in arizona means leaving your house before 6 AM.

The article from Outside had a really good explanation of the effects of exercise on heat stroke. If you go to the bottom, there are additional articles talking about how some athletes do things like ultramarathon in 100+ temperatures.

[Anonymous]

There's a reason they closed the forest to hiking. They have an idea what happened, they're waiting for confirmation before telling the public

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]
Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is![/quote]

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing. But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.

Come on, please tell us (bolded). Those of us who have read 100+ pages of this thread pages are listening.

Tried to fix the format above, but I was curious about PP's "leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing." Interested to hear.

+1 Spill! I fixed the format and everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

DP. That's not a reason to close the forest to hiking. Heat might be; a different type of hazard would be. Murder is not.