Roe v Wade struck down
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Anonymous
88% of americans favor some form of Roe 88% of americans facor some form of gun control and red flag laws The majority of americans favor democrats and liberal policies. Facts matter. |
Anonymous
I never said otherwise. I said HRC did not win in 2016. |
Anonymous
She didn't win, but the actual majority of voters wanted her to represent them. |
Anonymous
This may not be true. Listen to the June 7 episode of The Daily. People are different with pollsters than they are in the voting booth. |
Anonymous
I will start this with I am fully pro-choice but I am also raising and loving a child who was conceived through rape. If you are going to make any judgment on bad or good, you have to make it across the board for all pregnancy. A fetus (and eventual child) suddenly doesn't become "bad" because a sperm entered a vagina due to rape. It is the impact on the woman which makes it "bad" and the incredible difficulty in raising the child. This is the same as if the woman is poor or just darn chooses not to be pregnant. The logic that there is good and bad in this is flawed. |
Anonymous
Isn't the beauty of local and state elections that votes are basically these polls where they take the consensus and make that policy? So what is the point of bringing up polls. Let the voting booths speak for themselves. This is more of a general comment because whenever I see polls being brought up in political debates I don't really get it lol. |
Anonymous
Some rights are inherent to our Constitution. The current SC is now treating the Constitution like prescriptive legislation, when in fact it is a guiding document of ideals. It should NOT take legislation to have control of your health. Your position is anti-liberty. You want state governments to take away your option for medical treatment you might need. According to you, a state could ban insulin or kidney transplants....right? And then the voters are required to wait until the next election to vote in representatives who will make kidney transplants legal again? That's an insane and unconstitutional burden to place upon the voters. It's sheer chaos. |
Anonymous
+1. Random opinion polls don’t matter. |
Anonymous
That's nice in theory. In practice, Republicans have gerrymandered state legislatures so that they win even if they don't get the majority of votes. |
Anonymous
Almost as insane as having an explicitly stated constitutional right to a given medical procedure. |
Anonymous
PP here: exactly. It's insane to need a Constitutional amendment to have a right to a specific medical procedure. I really want a Democratic state to ban the importation and sale of erectile dysfunction pills. |
Anonymous
I don't see how my position is anti liberty - I am just telling you how it is. I agree that the government should have zero say in much of our lives and medical treatments is 100% included. The issue is that part of the country thinks it is a medical treatment (of which you and I are a part), and part of the country thinks its killing babies. It's not really possible to settle the debate and determine once and for all when life starts, and therefore it will always be a debate and it won't be settled as to whether it is medical treatment or killing babies. That's just the reality of the situation, putting emotion aside. Call me anti liberty or whatever all you want, I don't know what good that does, I'm pro-choice, but this is the reality. The fact that you can't 100% determine once and for all whether it is a medical treatment or killing a baby is why putting it in the Supreme court's hands is a bit dicey (as RBG and others have mentioned throughout history), hence why this decision happened. If Americans want it by popular vote, we need to go to state legislatures and congress - enough bringing up polls because as I mentioned voting is literally polls but it actually counts... |
Anonymous
Let me ask this question: Is it possible that two individuals on opposite sides of the pro-life vs pro-choice fence can both be in 100% agreement that the government should have no role in policing medical treatments, but they can be in full disagreement as to whether abortion is a medical treatment or it is in fact a form of murder / infanticide? Or to rephrase, is it possible for two folks on opposite sides of the pro-life vs pro-choice fence to share the same perspective on medical rights / right to privacy etc, but to simply have differing perspectives on whether abortion itself is actually a medical treatment or a whole other animal? I'm pro-choice, but have pro-life family members including my mother. She is a black Baptist woman from the south who literally participated in the civil rights marches. That being said the woman truly believes that abortion is murdering an unborn child. To call my elderly black Baptist mother an anti-womens rights person or something of the sort is just flat out ridiculous if you knew the woman and looked at her life history, but a lot of the takes you read here that ignore the fact that ABORTION ITSELF and not the government's role in people's medical procedures is the actual source of differences for some people on opposite sides of the fence. |
Anonymous
Yea, so the problem is this little thing called gerrymandering totaling Fing up state legislatures. So voting doesn’t represent the people either, dumba$$ |
Anonymous
It's really amazing that despite the attention on this issue, people still don't get it. Let me give a few examples: - North Carolina, 2018. Democrats got 1,866,432 votes to Republicans 1,779,584, but Republicans got 65 seats and Democrats got 55. - Wisconsin, 2018, Democrats got 1,306,878 to Republicans 1,103,505, but Republicans got 63 seats and Democrats got 36. - PA, 2018, Democrats got 2,568,968 to Republicans 2,075,093, but Republicans got 110 seats and Democrats got 93. - Michigan, 2018, Democrats got 2,128,281 to Republicans 1,935,174, but Republicans got 58 seats to Democrats 52. 2018 was a wave election where Democrats crushed Republicans in vote totals, but gained very little in terms of actual seats. Republicans have completely rigged the game in many states, so the argument that voters are going to get to decide abortion policy at the state level has no factual basis. Radical Republican legislators who have installed themselves despite the will of the voters will be deciding. |