Barr Installs Outside Prosecutor to Review Case Against Michael Flynn, Ex-Trump Adviser

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Using the PP story, what happened in the oval office on 1/5/17 and what did Biden know...

Why are you so desperate to get General Pizzagate off?

I don't get it.

No matter how noble your sentiment might be, there is no excuse for prosecutorial misconduct, or trying to set someone up to manufacture a crime, or altering email evidence...etc, etc, etc.

If Flynn did all of these horrible things, why didn't they prosecute him for them? There was no need for the interview to "get him to lie". All of the other crap that he supposedly did, occurred prior to the interview...could have just threatened to prosecute him for those things in order to get him to cooperate, right? No need for the subsequent interview and setup...unless they didn't have anything on him to begin with. Hence...."no derogatory information".

Because he agreed to cooperate with the prosecution, so they went with the least impactful offense possible. But then, after Barr was hired, he decided to recant.

I have seen this claim made before. We need a citation for it. Because, it simply doesn't make sense.

Reality doesn't make sense. You haven't learned that yet?

We need a citation for the bolded.

It was reported everywhere repeatedly. It was in all the papers.

So, if the media republish false information million times it becomes true?

[Anonymous]

So, if the media republish false information million times it becomes true?

That is how this all started.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Citation: took three seconds on google, this was the first hit

https://www.krgv.com/news/prosecutors-recommend-no-jail-time-for-cooperative-flynn/

There are hundreds of independent reports about this.

Ok. Let's review.

A poster upthread wrote this: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Another poster wrote this: "If Flynn did all of these horrible things, why didn't they prosecute him for them?"

Then, another poster wrote this: "Because he agreed to cooperate with the prosecution, so they went with the least impactful offense possible."

The link you have provided indicates that because he cooperated, the prosecution was recommending little or no jail time. It says absolutely nothing about pleading to lesser charges. All it referenced was lying to the FBI.

So, you have not provided a citation to support the claim in bold.

It's called routine practice from Mayberry to the DOJ in law enforcement and prosecution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using the PP story, what happened in the oval office on 1/5/17 and what did Biden know...

Why are you so desperate to get General Pizzagate off?

I don't get it.

No matter how noble your sentiment might be, there is no excuse for prosecutorial misconduct, or trying to set someone up to manufacture a crime, or altering email evidence...etc, etc, etc.

If Flynn did all of these horrible things, why didn't they prosecute him for them? There was no need for the interview to "get him to lie". All of the other crap that he supposedly did, occurred prior to the interview...could have just threatened to prosecute him for those things in order to get him to cooperate, right? No need for the subsequent interview and setup...unless they didn't have anything on him to begin with. Hence...."no derogatory information".

Because he agreed to cooperate with the prosecution, so they went with the least impactful offense possible. But then, after Barr was hired, he decided to recant.

I have seen this claim made before. We need a citation for it. Because, it simply doesn't make sense.

Reality doesn't make sense. You haven't learned that yet?

We need a citation for the bolded.

It was reported everywhere repeatedly. It was in all the papers.

So, if the media republish false information million times it becomes true?

Flynn cooperated to get a lesser charge. It was true. It is still true. It was not at all in dispute at the time.

[Anonymous]

Here you go:

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn's plea agreement stipulates that he'll cooperate with federal, state or even local investigators in any way Mueller's office might need, according to a document filed in court Friday. He could also be required to participate in covert law enforcement operations (such as wearing a wire) if asked, or share details of his past dealings with the Trump transition and administration.

The agreement adds that Mueller's office won't prosecute Flynn for additional crimes they outlined in his statement of offense Friday, such as his misreported foreign lobbying filings about his work for Turkey. If other prosecutors outside the special counsel's office, such as US attorneys or state law enforcement, wanted to charge Flynn with alleged crimes, they still could, and he's not protected if he lies to investigators again in the future or breaks the terms of his plea agreement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Citation: took three seconds on google, this was the first hit

https://www.krgv.com/news/prosecutors-recommend-no-jail-time-for-cooperative-flynn/

There are hundreds of independent reports about this.

Ok. Let's review.

A poster upthread wrote this: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Another poster wrote this: "If Flynn did all of these horrible things, why didn't they prosecute him for them?"

Then, another poster wrote this: "Because he agreed to cooperate with the prosecution, so they went with the least impactful offense possible."

The link you have provided indicates that because he cooperated, the prosecution was recommending little or no jail time. It says absolutely nothing about pleading to lesser charges. All it referenced was lying to the FBI.

So, you have not provided a citation to support the claim in bold.

It's called routine practice from Mayberry to the DOJ in law enforcement and prosecution.

So, in other words, you have no citation, no proof or no evidence that this was the case.

Only assumptions repeated over and over. Which, by the way, does not make the statement true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn's plea agreement stipulates that he'll cooperate with federal, state or even local investigators in any way Mueller's office might need, according to a document filed in court Friday. He could also be required to participate in covert law enforcement operations (such as wearing a wire) if asked, or share details of his past dealings with the Trump transition and administration.

The agreement adds that Mueller's office won't prosecute Flynn for additional crimes they outlined in his statement of offense Friday, such as his misreported foreign lobbying filings about his work for Turkey. If other prosecutors outside the special counsel's office, such as US attorneys or state law enforcement, wanted to charge Flynn with alleged crimes, they still could, and he's not protected if he lies to investigators again in the future or breaks the terms of his plea agreement.

Again, this is what the poster said: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Where is your citation that these crimes would not be prosecuted under the plea deal?

And, BTW - the whole FARA thing - an absolute joke. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/30/michael-flynn-turkey-admissions-014343
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/flynn-legal-team-withdraw-guilty-plea-109126

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn's plea agreement stipulates that he'll cooperate with federal, state or even local investigators in any way Mueller's office might need, according to a document filed in court Friday. He could also be required to participate in covert law enforcement operations (such as wearing a wire) if asked, or share details of his past dealings with the Trump transition and administration.

The agreement adds that Mueller's office won't prosecute Flynn for additional crimes they outlined in his statement of offense Friday, such as his misreported foreign lobbying filings about his work for Turkey. If other prosecutors outside the special counsel's office, such as US attorneys or state law enforcement, wanted to charge Flynn with alleged crimes, they still could, and he's not protected if he lies to investigators again in the future or breaks the terms of his plea agreement.

Again, this is what the poster said: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Where is your citation that these crimes would not be prosecuted under the plea deal?

And, BTW - the whole FARA thing - an absolute joke. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/30/michael-flynn-turkey-admissions-014343
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/flynn-legal-team-withdraw-guilty-plea-109126

The Plea Agreement
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4318155/Flynn-Plea-Agreement.pdf

3. Additional Charges

In consideration of your client's guilty plea to the above offense, your client will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office for the conduct set forth in the attached Statement of Offense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn's plea agreement stipulates that he'll cooperate with federal, state or even local investigators in any way Mueller's office might need, according to a document filed in court Friday. He could also be required to participate in covert law enforcement operations (such as wearing a wire) if asked, or share details of his past dealings with the Trump transition and administration.

The agreement adds that Mueller's office won't prosecute Flynn for additional crimes they outlined in his statement of offense Friday, such as his misreported foreign lobbying filings about his work for Turkey. If other prosecutors outside the special counsel's office, such as US attorneys or state law enforcement, wanted to charge Flynn with alleged crimes, they still could, and he's not protected if he lies to investigators again in the future or breaks the terms of his plea agreement.

Again, this is what the poster said: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Where is your citation that these crimes would not be prosecuted under the plea deal?

And, BTW - the whole FARA thing - an absolute joke. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/30/michael-flynn-turkey-admissions-014343
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/flynn-legal-team-withdraw-guilty-plea-109126

The Plea Agreement
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4318155/Flynn-Plea-Agreement.pdf

3. Additional Charges

In consideration of your client's guilty plea to the above offense, your client will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office for the conduct set forth in the attached Statement of Offense.

So, basically, he was only charged with two specific false statements, instead of five or six. All "additional charges" in the statement of offense, were false statement charges, including the FARA charge. There was nothing more serious in the statement of offense, than false statement charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn's plea agreement stipulates that he'll cooperate with federal, state or even local investigators in any way Mueller's office might need, according to a document filed in court Friday. He could also be required to participate in covert law enforcement operations (such as wearing a wire) if asked, or share details of his past dealings with the Trump transition and administration.

The agreement adds that Mueller's office won't prosecute Flynn for additional crimes they outlined in his statement of offense Friday, such as his misreported foreign lobbying filings about his work for Turkey. If other prosecutors outside the special counsel's office, such as US attorneys or state law enforcement, wanted to charge Flynn with alleged crimes, they still could, and he's not protected if he lies to investigators again in the future or breaks the terms of his plea agreement.

Again, this is what the poster said: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Where is your citation that these crimes would not be prosecuted under the plea deal?

And, BTW - the whole FARA thing - an absolute joke. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/30/michael-flynn-turkey-admissions-014343
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/flynn-legal-team-withdraw-guilty-plea-109126

The Plea Agreement
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4318155/Flynn-Plea-Agreement.pdf

3. Additional Charges

In consideration of your client's guilty plea to the above offense, your client will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office for the conduct set forth in the attached Statement of Offense.

So, basically, he was only charged with two specific false statements, instead of five or six. All "additional charges" in the statement of offense, were false statement charges, including the FARA charge. There was nothing more serious in the statement of offense, than false statement charges.

DP. I'm not sure why you think all the the non-charges would be written in the plea agreement. This is federal court. Are you thinking of state court?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn's plea agreement stipulates that he'll cooperate with federal, state or even local investigators in any way Mueller's office might need, according to a document filed in court Friday. He could also be required to participate in covert law enforcement operations (such as wearing a wire) if asked, or share details of his past dealings with the Trump transition and administration.

The agreement adds that Mueller's office won't prosecute Flynn for additional crimes they outlined in his statement of offense Friday, such as his misreported foreign lobbying filings about his work for Turkey. If other prosecutors outside the special counsel's office, such as US attorneys or state law enforcement, wanted to charge Flynn with alleged crimes, they still could, and he's not protected if he lies to investigators again in the future or breaks the terms of his plea agreement.

Again, this is what the poster said: "We have to remember that the main reason alarm bells were ringing about Flynn was because he was working for or getting paid by foreign governments (Turkey to kidnap a US resident, Saudi Arabia to sell nuclear secrets, Israel to undermine the US at the UN)."

Where is your citation that these crimes would not be prosecuted under the plea deal?

And, BTW - the whole FARA thing - an absolute joke. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/30/michael-flynn-turkey-admissions-014343
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/flynn-legal-team-withdraw-guilty-plea-109126

The Plea Agreement
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4318155/Flynn-Plea-Agreement.pdf

3. Additional Charges

In consideration of your client's guilty plea to the above offense, your client will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office for the conduct set forth in the attached Statement of Offense.

So, basically, he was only charged with two specific false statements, instead of five or six. All "additional charges" in the statement of offense, were false statement charges, including the FARA charge. There was nothing more serious in the statement of offense, than false statement charges.

DP. I'm not sure why you think all the the non-charges would be written in the plea agreement. This is federal court. Are you thinking of state court?

No, I'm not. If a "serious charge" was dropped in lieu of a plea, it has to be disclosed in the plea agreement. Period.

[Anonymous]

They leave the other offenses off, just for this very scenario. If you don't understand how prosecutions work, that is fine, but buying the arguments of the people who are actually undermining law enforcement is not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heads are exploding on the left.

Who the hell is Chris Plante and why does he have a "show"?

[Anonymous]

Withdrawing a Guilty or Nolo Contendere Plea. A defendant may withdraw a plea of guilty or nolo contendere:

(1) before the court accepts the plea, for any reason or no reason; or

(2) after the court accepts the plea, but before it imposes sentence if:

(A) the court rejects a plea agreement under 11(c)(5); or

(B) the defendant can show a fair and just reason for requesting the withdrawal.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_11

Seems to me, in light of "B" that Flynn has an open shut right to withdraw.

Read the whole link. Also sounds like all the "deals" related to the plea need to be included.

I'm not lawyer, though.

[Anonymous]

His reasoning to withdraw his guilty plea is, he changed his mind. He didn't say that there's a fair and just reason. Because there isn't one.