Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Swiftie and seriously hated this album when it first came out. I still prefer her previous 4 albums by a lot but when I went to tell someone the few songs I liked I realized I kept listing them until I had covered 8 or 9. So it completely grew on me.

People, it’s art. It’s subjective. Relax.

Exposure effect. If you want or like to be brainwashed into enjoying something and make sure you listen to it enough to you start to like it. Okay? But that doesn’t mean the album is good.

Good lord. Shut up already. Maybe let people decide for themselves if they like something or not.

Yes, you clearly want to allow people to have their own opinions!

No. I want mine. I expressed it and you decided it was “wrong.” Have whatever opinion you want, you’re not entitled to mine too.

Amen. The “brainwashed” poster is so immature.

Except that is exactly what I said. “If you believe that- okay?” Were my words. As in okay you can believe that.

I’m not sure why telling someone to shut up about it is better and “allowing opinions” except you agree with the shut up poster.

I bolded exactly what you said. You continue to insist that anyone liking TS, this album, or any or the songs on it must be "brainwashed". You can't simply accept that people have different opinions. No one cares if you don't like this album - but for those of us who do, we don't need you telling us we're "brainwashed". So, yes - I agree with the PP. Shut up, already.

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Anonymous wrote:I like every song. Never listened to a whole album of hers before and can’t tell you much about her life or music.

Music theorists and Shakespeare professors judge it positively too.

Have you listened to any of her past four albums? I'd be curious what you think about them. Particularly Folklore.

Not the whole albums. I just know her most popular songs that I hear in all the other ways we’re exposed to music.

I listened to Folkore today. I like it fine, but it sounds like a different person. It has a moody 70s sound. I prefer the happy badass version of Taylor. I don’t care for songs about anxiety, depression, rejection, and loss.

It could be my age. Maybe young people relate more to her relationship angst. I like this strong version of her where she’s in a healthy relationship and putting creepy Nashville/LA music managers in their place. I like her being unbothered by mean girl behavior and secure in her relationship and friendships.

Interesting! Thanks for your thoughts and I see where you're coming from. I'm actually the opposite. Before I had ever heard Folklore/Evermore/Midnights/TTPD, I had only heard her popular "bops". I couldn't believe what I was hearing on those four albums that my daughter finally persuaded me to listen to. You're right, it does sound like a different person. I still love her fun, loud songs (Fate of Ophelia, etc.), but I am mesmerized by the more thoughtful, introspective side of her. And many of the melodies on those four albums are just beautiful.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Swiftie and seriously hated this album when it first came out. I still prefer her previous 4 albums by a lot but when I went to tell someone the few songs I liked I realized I kept listing them until I had covered 8 or 9. So it completely grew on me.

People, it’s art. It’s subjective. Relax.

Exposure effect. If you want or like to be brainwashed into enjoying something and make sure you listen to it enough to you start to like it. Okay? But that doesn’t mean the album is good.

Good lord. Shut up already. Maybe let people decide for themselves if they like something or not.

Yes, you clearly want to allow people to have their own opinions!

No. I want mine. I expressed it and you decided it was “wrong.” Have whatever opinion you want, you’re not entitled to mine too.

Amen. The “brainwashed” poster is so immature.

Except that is exactly what I said. “If you believe that- okay?” Were my words. As in okay you can believe that.

I’m not sure why telling someone to shut up about it is better and “allowing opinions” except you agree with the shut up poster.

You left out the part where you declared just because someone said they liked it doesn’t mean it’s good. So in other words, “your opinion is wrong.”
But okay?

Oh gotcha. You are right I should have been more clear and said to the average person/ radio listener who isn’t into Taylor and won’t have it on repeat to let it have the exposure effect happen to them. They will still say bad because they aren’t going into deep dive in it.

Either way saying someone is wrong isn’t censorship like telling someone to shut up.

DP. You sound exactly like a high school friend of mine who insulted everyone’s taste in music, art, food, and clothes. She still acted like that in her 40s. I was the last friend to finally reach my limit and the friendship ended like all her others.

Life tip from someone who is probably twice your age: insulting others doesn’t make you superior, it makes you repellant.

+ a million
There's a way to give your own opinion without insulting everyone else's opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Swiftie and seriously hated this album when it first came out. I still prefer her previous 4 albums by a lot but when I went to tell someone the few songs I liked I realized I kept listing them until I had covered 8 or 9. So it completely grew on me.

People, it’s art. It’s subjective. Relax.

Exposure effect. If you want or like to be brainwashed into enjoying something and make sure you listen to it enough to you start to like it. Okay? But that doesn’t mean the album is good.

Good lord. Shut up already. Maybe let people decide for themselves if they like something or not.

Yes, you clearly want to allow people to have their own opinions!

No. I want mine. I expressed it and you decided it was “wrong.” Have whatever opinion you want, you’re not entitled to mine too.

Amen. The “brainwashed” poster is so immature.

Except that is exactly what I said. “If you believe that- okay?” Were my words. As in okay you can believe that.

I’m not sure why telling someone to shut up about it is better and “allowing opinions” except you agree with the shut up poster.

I bolded exactly what you said. You continue to insist that anyone liking TS, this album, or any or the songs on it must be "brainwashed". You can't simply accept that people have different opinions. No one cares if you don't like this album - but for those of us who do, we don't need you telling us we're "brainwashed". So, yes - I agree with the PP. Shut up, already.

It is a known and well studied psychological phenomenon.

https://sproutsschools.com/the-mere-exposure-effect/

The mere-exposure effect is a psychological phenomenon by which we tend to like things merely because we are exposed to them.

So, simply exposing you to a random thing repeatedly, makes you like it. And the same goes for pop songs, products, and people — with the exception of those we dislike initially, seeing them more often can make us dislike them further.

Google it, there is plenty of information. If you are mad at your brain for working like this, fine. But yeah, we all get brainwashed to a certain extent.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Swiftie and seriously hated this album when it first came out. I still prefer her previous 4 albums by a lot but when I went to tell someone the few songs I liked I realized I kept listing them until I had covered 8 or 9. So it completely grew on me.

People, it’s art. It’s subjective. Relax.

Exposure effect. If you want or like to be brainwashed into enjoying something and make sure you listen to it enough to you start to like it. Okay? But that doesn’t mean the album is good.

Good lord. Shut up already. Maybe let people decide for themselves if they like something or not.

Yes, you clearly want to allow people to have their own opinions!

No. I want mine. I expressed it and you decided it was “wrong.” Have whatever opinion you want, you’re not entitled to mine too.

Amen. The “brainwashed” poster is so immature.

Except that is exactly what I said. “If you believe that- okay?” Were my words. As in okay you can believe that.

I’m not sure why telling someone to shut up about it is better and “allowing opinions” except you agree with the shut up poster.

I bolded exactly what you said. You continue to insist that anyone liking TS, this album, or any or the songs on it must be "brainwashed". You can't simply accept that people have different opinions. No one cares if you don't like this album - but for those of us who do, we don't need you telling us we're "brainwashed". So, yes - I agree with the PP. Shut up, already.

It is a known and well studied psychological phenomenon.

https://sproutsschools.com/the-mere-exposure-effect/

The mere-exposure effect is a psychological phenomenon by which we tend to like things merely because we are exposed to them.

So, simply exposing you to a random thing repeatedly, makes you like it. And the same goes for pop songs, products, and people — with the exception of those we dislike initially, seeing them more often can make us dislike them further.

Google it, there is plenty of information. If you are mad at your brain for working like this, fine. But yeah, we all get brainwashed to a certain extent.

DP but this doesn’t explain why somebody might like a Taylor song. I’ve heard a ton of Christmas songs 1000 times and it doesn’t mean that I don’t cringe when I hear them or that I enjoy them.

I can think of a ton of popular songs that I have heard over and over again, but I still don’t like. It’s true that there are some songs that you might be ambivalent about that once you hear them more and more you like them, but it doesn’t explain every song. It’s stupid to say people like Taylor just because they hear her so often. A lot of her most streamed songs are not the hits on the radio. I’m very certain true Taylor fans don’t all really like Shake it off. I don’t like most of her songs that hit the radio with a few exceptions.

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I saw someone on here getting called an idiot because they described the song Wood before the album came out and it sounded so obviously cringe. But now the album is great. Give me a break.

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This album is a flop. Country stars like Morgan Wallen and even a repulsive ex-con called Jelly Roll have more steams than this album with, what, 1/100th of the Swift Machine payola? When you have a flop at her age it spells the end of your career. For a recent example, see Katy Perry.

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It's funny because this one seems to be a bigger hit with straight white men than any of her other albums.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters would just REPORT the off topic troll, we could get this thread back on track.

Taylor should not have written a song referencing MTS then.

MTS is on topic.

Doesn’t matter. Her album is mostly forgotten at this point. Too bad she can’t get along with her past producer, Joe Alwyn.

If she acts at the next Grammys like she did at the last Grammys, I feel bad for all involved.

Oh no! Not Queen MTS supposedly referenced in a song! This is the best thing that happened to her all year.

Seriously.

Yes. And I am sure Charli xcx loved being compared to a dog!

There is even a Christmas ornament from Taylor Swift of the dog in a purse. It’s a deal. Better get one now before they sell out!

I bet Taylor meant calling her a dog
as a compliment!!

Taylor is soooo amazing and such a genius!

Then maybe Charli shouldn’t have high fived her ex and written a song about how it makes her sick to see her face? Charli got the attention she wanted.

She wrote a song about feeling insecure and TS misinterpreted it as a dig...

if it had been just the song Smpathy is a Knife, Actually Romantic wouldn't have been written. So many digs were sent her way. Cruel really. I'm glad TS slapped back even if it means another bridge burnt with Matty, which is not what TS wants even as she can't help herself.

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Anonymous wrote:I like every song. Never listened to a whole album of hers before and can’t tell you much about her life or music.

Music theorists and Shakespeare professors judge it positively too.

wood? wishlist? really?

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Anonymous wrote:I like every song. Never listened to a whole album of hers before and can’t tell you much about her life or music.

Music theorists and Shakespeare professors judge it positively too.

wood? wishlist? really?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw someone on here getting called an idiot because they described the song Wood before the album came out and it sounded so obviously cringe. But now the album is great. Give me a break.

Is Taylor the only artist held to the standard of all songs must be amazing on every album?

Because when I was growing up, we got 1-3 good songs per album max. The rest were ignored by fans and the radio stations.

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When you have to brainwash yourself by listening to an album over and over and over to claim it grows on you and becomes great, you are a crazed fanatic. There’s nothing about this album which will stand the test of time. Her old stuff had classics, this is throwaway nothingness.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw someone on here getting called an idiot because they described the song Wood before the album came out and it sounded so obviously cringe. But now the album is great. Give me a break.

Is Taylor the only artist held to the standard of all songs must be amazing on every album?

Because when I was growing up, we got 1-3 good songs per album max. The rest were ignored by fans and the radio stations.

Right and it’s normal for incredibly successful artists to have flops, but this one isn’t it, just given the numbers.

I’m old enough to remember the outrage when U2’s 2014 album was automatically downloaded to everyone who had an iTunes account LOL. That album was not good though I did like one song!

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to brainwash yourself by listening to an album over and over and over to claim it grows on you and becomes great, you are a crazed fanatic. There’s nothing about this album which will stand the test of time. Her old stuff had classics, this is throwaway nothingness.

A little strong. But I agree this is a bit throwaway and "Trav" is the worst muse. It's basically a money-making endeavor, cashing in on her tour success and her engagement (for her fans who are into that relationship. She can go back to making art with her next album, but that would take time and inspiration, and by then the possibility of cash grabbing and hitting all time #1s would be harder because she would have faded a bit. In addition waiting for a better album would mean she wasted all the PR around her wedding (which I give a solid 30% as not gonna happen, the engagement being ALL album promo; 60% as happens but over in 2-3 years; and 10% happens and last 4+ years).