ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll just wait for the rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down which everyone thats sane know will happen.

You'll slither back under your rock looking for some other item to troll on.

how are they going to make this rule? By asking what grade an August kid is in? If it is 8-1 to 7-31; that is the 12-month age group. If they say all August birthdays have to play with the age group above, it would make no sense? so i'm assuming you are saying it would be based on grade then?

You just make a rule that Aug players must play with their grade in school.

When leagues are made aware of cheaters they tell them to play with the correct grade or dont play ar all.

Seems pretty simple.

Help me out - are you saying Aug kids who play a grade down than their actual grade are cheaters in a system where the cutoff is from Aug to July?

Yes its call SY or School Year for a reason

Is an August kid cheating if they are in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a kid is playing down a SY the chances of them having any significant playing time playing in their actual SY team for showcases is obviously very low. Also kids who are on SY who are on lower teams because of kids playing down a SY taking their spot is unfortunate.They won’t have the same chances to get scouted at major tournaments and just doesn’t make sense. There is nothing wrong playing on the second team in your school year. You will have a better chance to play in college at whatever Division than playing a SY down where you are showing you can’t play within your SY let alone against older men/woman at the next level.

Yep, if you want to play for your grade, you may have to be on a second or third team. Nothing wrong with that. What would be wrong is forcing people into that. If they want to be in the Aug-Jul cohort, leave em be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

With grad year this can all be fixed!

Nope, that'll just introduce much older kids playing with younger ones purely for advantage like in other youth sports.

What is much older? And how do you decide that? Is a July kid held back much older? Would only be 1 month older than Aug kids?

So should freshman be able to play varsity or not? It wouldn’t be fair for a freshman to take a seniors spot?

Either kids are good enough or they aren’t 1 year doesn’t matter most elite players can and do play up.

I’m not for Grad Year but you cowards who treat it like the boogy man have kids weak as wet toilet paper.

COMPETE regardless of age groupings.

Yes, compete. If you can play up beyond, Aug-Jul, do it. Leave everyone else alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Check out the new podcast! All about age grouping.

Whats the link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a kid is playing down a SY the chances of them having any significant playing time playing in their actual SY team for showcases is obviously very low. Also kids who are on SY who are on lower teams because of kids playing down a SY taking their spot is unfortunate.They won’t have the same chances to get scouted at major tournaments and just doesn’t make sense. There is nothing wrong playing on the second team in your school year. You will have a better chance to play in college at whatever Division than playing a SY down where you are showing you can’t play within your SY let alone against older men/woman at the next level.

Not an issue for ECNL, they don't allow kids to play in the age group below theres.

[Anonymous]

It is same troll that says he was at GA meetings when he wasnt.

The only other option is intellectual dishonestly or intellectual disability. Or maybe a bit of both.

Remember there are like 3 posters that account for 80% of all posts according to IP data.

-August birthdays choose to play up or down. It is no more cheating than saying a Jan birthday in BY is cheating by playing with kids in the lower grade currently

-There are several states with start dates later than 9-1. In a 10-31 state should we force the Sept and October kids to play with their grade or give them the choice?

-Forcing anyone to play up is putting them at a month, two months, three month disadvantage. If they want to, more power to them but if they want to play with the same 12 month cohort that is fine as well.

-We eliminated trapped players due to it being unfair. Forcing a kid to play against kids potentially 13-15 months older is also unfair.

-If you want your august kid to get an advantage, move to an 8-1 state and have fun in high school.😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll just wait for the rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down which everyone thats sane know will happen.

You'll slither back under your rock looking for some other item to troll on.

how are they going to make this rule? By asking what grade an August kid is in? If it is 8-1 to 7-31; that is the 12-month age group. If they say all August birthdays have to play with the age group above, it would make no sense? so i'm assuming you are saying it would be based on grade then?

You just make a rule that Aug players must play with their grade in school.

When leagues are made aware of cheaters they tell them to play with the correct grade or dont play ar all.

Seems pretty simple.

Help me out - are you saying Aug kids who play a grade down than their actual grade are cheaters in a system where the cutoff is from Aug to July?

Yes its call SY or School Year for a reason

Is an August kid cheating if they are in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kids?

Amazing how parents these days want everything to be contrived and catered perfectly for their child. All sports do a year cutoff and it’s never perfect by grade. Growing up club baseball was a May 1st cutoff and I was an April bday. Did my parents or I give one f all or bring it up to anyone? Hell effing no. Did it benefit me? Probably as I played against faster pitching earlier on which may have helped me start earlier in HS. But I never had a single second of awareness about it growing up nor did my parents. It wasn’t till 30 years later I enter a forum of today’s parents who are all effing nutjobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the new podcast! All about age grouping.

Whats the link?

New ECNL podcast:

Is Age Just A Number? Navigating Birth Years and Team Placements | Ep. 124

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHG0uQjpaBY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is same troll that says he was at GA meetings when he wasnt.

The only other option is intellectual dishonestly or intellectual disability. Or maybe a bit of both.

Remember there are like 3 posters that account for 80% of all posts according to IP data.

-August birthdays choose to play up or down. It is no more cheating than saying a Jan birthday in BY is cheating by playing with kids in the lower grade currently

-There are several states with start dates later than 9-1. In a 10-31 state should we force the Sept and October kids to play with their grade or give them the choice?

-Forcing anyone to play up is putting them at a month, two months, three month disadvantage. If they want to, more power to them but if they want to play with the same 12 month cohort that is fine as well.

-We eliminated trapped players due to it being unfair. Forcing a kid to play against kids potentially 13-15 months older is also unfair.

-If you want your august kid to get an advantage, move to an 8-1 state and have fun in high school.😂

All arguments after "Remember there are like 3 posters that account for 80% of all posts according to IP data." are invalid - you don't run this site - you don't know that and you're just pulling it out of your *** like the rest of your arguments

[Anonymous]

Finally !! ECNL confirms that they will be switching to SY.

Minute 5:10 of today's podcast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHG0uQjpaBY

"Yeah. I mean I think the first thing to say is to confirm that we as the ECNL are supporting this change. Um I I know I' I've heard some some questions about that out there. Obviously, US Club Soccer is our partner and our sanctioning body. Uh they've put a lot of information out about this change. Um and we're in a lot of ways um the organization that kind of spearheaded this conversation uh coming to the forefront um so that we could get get to here. So, but I I have heard questions of people saying will ECNL do it and the answer to that question is yes. "

[Anonymous]

On the podcast, not much new. We all knew ECNL was transitioning to 8/1. This is official confirmation at best.

Now will MLSN/GA make the move is the question that keeps this thread alive

[Anonymous]

They were very careful not to specifically call out Aug birthdays.

[Anonymous]

“Other factors” is code for ECNL coach Venmo game.

This is going to be a total circus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the podcast, not much new. We all knew ECNL was transitioning to 8/1. This is official confirmation at best.

Now will MLSN/GA make the move is the question that keeps this thread alive

These guys are exactly the problem with Youth soccer in this country.

The oversized ECNL Hat is just **Chef's Kiss**

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the podcast, not much new. We all knew ECNL was transitioning to 8/1. This is official confirmation at best.

Now will MLSN/GA make the move is the question that keeps this thread alive

Indeed. Business wise it’s not a great move if they want to maintain their building dominance over ECNL. And they will lose some talent. Parents and even kids given the option to be starters or first teamers in a SY league will take it over the P2P MLSN badge. Ultimately, the MLSN academies will lose out too because assuming all those kids will funnel back to MLSN is not realistic. I think the other argument is the MLSN model is not a favorite of even most hardcore parents and kids. Too much travel for regular season games and they are all hip to the MLS badge as being a total sham. It definitely won’t be attractive to clubs either having to mange 2 systems. That said small chance it could still happen. I doubt we here though till the end of the year.