ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'll just wait for the rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down which everyone thats sane know will happen.

You'll slither back under your rock looking for some other item to troll on.

how are they going to make this rule? By asking what grade an August kid is in? If it is 8-1 to 7-31; that is the 12-month age group. If they say all August birthdays have to play with the age group above, it would make no sense? so i'm assuming you are saying it would be based on grade then?

You just make a rule that Aug players must play with their grade in school.

When leagues are made aware of cheaters they tell them to play with the correct grade or dont play ar all.

Seems pretty simple.

Help me out - are you saying Aug kids who play a grade down than their actual grade are cheaters in a system where the cutoff is from Aug to July?

Yes its call SY or School Year for a reason

Gotcha - so you're an idiot. Thanks for confirming.

[Anonymous]

So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

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Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

Dust off the policy from 2015, because this was what we had before.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why a parent would fight for their kid to play down. When i was young if you werem't the same ability as kids your age you didnt play.

The crazy parents were the ones fighting for their kid to play up against older players on an older team. Sometimes these parents were justified. Sometimes they thought their kid was better than they were. But it didn't matter because the older kids would sort that out on the field with the younger player.

The push to playi down started 20 years ago but became more mainstream 10 years ago. You see it all the time at private schools.16 year old freshman are becoming the norm for private schools that recruit.

Youth Soccer has always been grouped based on a 12 month calendar. The cheaters hate it and want to change soccer into another GY sport. This will never happen because clubs control competition and college recruitment pathways. Clubs make much more money not implementing GY not allowing players to play down.

Adding on...

This is why Christian Lavars (the ECNL grand puba) said on the first podcast where they brought up switching from BY to SY. That he didnt agree with players playing down. He said this to calm all the ECNL clubs that know GY would quickly translate into less revenue if implemented.

FYI, the discussion was in reference to playing down on age when trapped and had nothing to do with school grades. He said this because it created temporary disruptions for the younger team; like too many players for half a season. They also were/are generally against playing up in age except in very rare cases.

So the change from BY to SY was to accommodate more players playing with their grade in school...

Got it

Exactly! You cant have it both ways.

ECNL is going to implement a rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down with players a grade below then in school.

The player should not play down in the younger grade players' team. It is a hidden bully with a subtle middle finger.

Normal people understand that playing down is crap.

Crazy people (probably a liberal woman who never played sports) wants to make everything inclusive and fair so even the oddballs that cant tie their shoelaces have a spot on the team.

How do you or anyone define the terms playing down? If kids are the same grade? Because any window of time the older players are technically playing down as well? Is a January kid in BY playing down?

No soccer league is going Grad Year but for people to cry about it so much what sad losers.

A Jan kid in BY is playing with their grade.

A July to Dec kid in BY is playing up a grade.

You dont even understand what you're arguing about. Nobody in BY plays down.

Actually, in BY, Jan-Jul are typically in a higher grade vs. Aug-Dec. so, they are playing against kids in a younger grade now. Much more than they would under SY.

This is what i never understood about everyone complaining about the August kid in an 8-1 cutoff. it seems it is perfectly fine if the August kid is in the same grade as the Jan-July kids but it is not ok if the Aug kid is in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kid...that is the argument that has dominated most of the pages for the last year....but nobody has ever had an issue with the Jan-Mar kids playing against the Oct-Dec kids for the last 7 years and they were in seperate grades. the August kid is the one everyone complains about and how it is unfair (regardles of grade) but it was never an issue to those same people that had grade differences in BY - especially the Jan-March parents. The biggest complainers at this point are the Jan-July parents that no become the Aug-Dec parents from the past 7 years.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

With grad year this can all be fixed!

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why a parent would fight for their kid to play down. When i was young if you werem't the same ability as kids your age you didnt play.

The crazy parents were the ones fighting for their kid to play up against older players on an older team. Sometimes these parents were justified. Sometimes they thought their kid was better than they were. But it didn't matter because the older kids would sort that out on the field with the younger player.

The push to playi down started 20 years ago but became more mainstream 10 years ago. You see it all the time at private schools.16 year old freshman are becoming the norm for private schools that recruit.

Youth Soccer has always been grouped based on a 12 month calendar. The cheaters hate it and want to change soccer into another GY sport. This will never happen because clubs control competition and college recruitment pathways. Clubs make much more money not implementing GY not allowing players to play down.

Adding on...

This is why Christian Lavars (the ECNL grand puba) said on the first podcast where they brought up switching from BY to SY. That he didnt agree with players playing down. He said this to calm all the ECNL clubs that know GY would quickly translate into less revenue if implemented.

FYI, the discussion was in reference to playing down on age when trapped and had nothing to do with school grades. He said this because it created temporary disruptions for the younger team; like too many players for half a season. They also were/are generally against playing up in age except in very rare cases.

So the change from BY to SY was to accommodate more players playing with their grade in school...

Got it

Exactly! You cant have it both ways.

ECNL is going to implement a rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down with players a grade below then in school.

The player should not play down in the younger grade players' team. It is a hidden bully with a subtle middle finger.

Normal people understand that playing down is crap.

Crazy people (probably a liberal woman who never played sports) wants to make everything inclusive and fair so even the oddballs that cant tie their shoelaces have a spot on the team.

How do you or anyone define the terms playing down? If kids are the same grade? Because any window of time the older players are technically playing down as well? Is a January kid in BY playing down?

No soccer league is going Grad Year but for people to cry about it so much what sad losers.

A Jan kid in BY is playing with their grade.

A July to Dec kid in BY is playing up a grade.

You dont even understand what you're arguing about. Nobody in BY plays down.

Actually, in BY, Jan-Jul are typically in a higher grade vs. Aug-Dec. so, they are playing against kids in a younger grade now. Much more than they would under SY.

This is what i never understood about everyone complaining about the August kid in an 8-1 cutoff. it seems it is perfectly fine if the August kid is in the same grade as the Jan-July kids but it is not ok if the Aug kid is in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kid...that is the argument that has dominated most of the pages for the last year....but nobody has ever had an issue with the Jan-Mar kids playing against the Oct-Dec kids for the last 7 years and they were in seperate grades. the August kid is the one everyone complains about and how it is unfair (regardles of grade) but it was never an issue to those same people that had grade differences in BY - especially the Jan-March parents. The biggest complainers at this point are the Jan-July parents that no become the Aug-Dec parents from the past 7 years.

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And yet this is why 9/1 would have been a better choice. Less misalignment.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why a parent would fight for their kid to play down. When i was young if you werem't the same ability as kids your age you didnt play.

The crazy parents were the ones fighting for their kid to play up against older players on an older team. Sometimes these parents were justified. Sometimes they thought their kid was better than they were. But it didn't matter because the older kids would sort that out on the field with the younger player.

The push to playi down started 20 years ago but became more mainstream 10 years ago. You see it all the time at private schools.16 year old freshman are becoming the norm for private schools that recruit.

Youth Soccer has always been grouped based on a 12 month calendar. The cheaters hate it and want to change soccer into another GY sport. This will never happen because clubs control competition and college recruitment pathways. Clubs make much more money not implementing GY not allowing players to play down.

Adding on...

This is why Christian Lavars (the ECNL grand puba) said on the first podcast where they brought up switching from BY to SY. That he didnt agree with players playing down. He said this to calm all the ECNL clubs that know GY would quickly translate into less revenue if implemented.

FYI, the discussion was in reference to playing down on age when trapped and had nothing to do with school grades. He said this because it created temporary disruptions for the younger team; like too many players for half a season. They also were/are generally against playing up in age except in very rare cases.

So the change from BY to SY was to accommodate more players playing with their grade in school...

Got it

Exactly! You cant have it both ways.

ECNL is going to implement a rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down with players a grade below then in school.

The player should not play down in the younger grade players' team. It is a hidden bully with a subtle middle finger.

Normal people understand that playing down is crap.

Crazy people (probably a liberal woman who never played sports) wants to make everything inclusive and fair so even the oddballs that cant tie their shoelaces have a spot on the team.

How do you or anyone define the terms playing down? If kids are the same grade? Because any window of time the older players are technically playing down as well? Is a January kid in BY playing down?

No soccer league is going Grad Year but for people to cry about it so much what sad losers.

A Jan kid in BY is playing with their grade.

A July to Dec kid in BY is playing up a grade.

You dont even understand what you're arguing about. Nobody in BY plays down.

Actually, in BY, Jan-Jul are typically in a higher grade vs. Aug-Dec. so, they are playing against kids in a younger grade now. Much more than they would under SY.

This is what i never understood about everyone complaining about the August kid in an 8-1 cutoff. it seems it is perfectly fine if the August kid is in the same grade as the Jan-July kids but it is not ok if the Aug kid is in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kid...that is the argument that has dominated most of the pages for the last year....but nobody has ever had an issue with the Jan-Mar kids playing against the Oct-Dec kids for the last 7 years and they were in seperate grades. the August kid is the one everyone complains about and how it is unfair (regardles of grade) but it was never an issue to those same people that had grade differences in BY - especially the Jan-March parents. The biggest complainers at this point are the Jan-July parents that no become the Aug-Dec parents from the past 7 years.

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And yet this is why 9/1 would have been a better choice. Less misalignment.

There’s a reason they went with 8/1 and that’s most boys start late not early.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

With grad year this can all be fixed!

Nope, that'll just introduce much older kids playing with younger ones purely for advantage like in other youth sports.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

With grad year this can all be fixed!

Nope, that'll just introduce much older kids playing with younger ones purely for advantage like in other youth sports.

What is much older? And how do you decide that? Is a July kid held back much older? Would only be 1 month older than Aug kids?

So should freshman be able to play varsity or not? It wouldn’t be fair for a freshman to take a seniors spot?

Either kids are good enough or they aren’t 1 year doesn’t matter most elite players can and do play up.

I’m not for Grad Year but you cowards who treat it like the boogy man have kids weak as wet toilet paper.

COMPETE regardless of age groupings.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why a parent would fight for their kid to play down. When i was young if you werem't the same ability as kids your age you didnt play.

The crazy parents were the ones fighting for their kid to play up against older players on an older team. Sometimes these parents were justified. Sometimes they thought their kid was better than they were. But it didn't matter because the older kids would sort that out on the field with the younger player.

The push to playi down started 20 years ago but became more mainstream 10 years ago. You see it all the time at private schools.16 year old freshman are becoming the norm for private schools that recruit.

Youth Soccer has always been grouped based on a 12 month calendar. The cheaters hate it and want to change soccer into another GY sport. This will never happen because clubs control competition and college recruitment pathways. Clubs make much more money not implementing GY not allowing players to play down.

Adding on...

This is why Christian Lavars (the ECNL grand puba) said on the first podcast where they brought up switching from BY to SY. That he didnt agree with players playing down. He said this to calm all the ECNL clubs that know GY would quickly translate into less revenue if implemented.

FYI, the discussion was in reference to playing down on age when trapped and had nothing to do with school grades. He said this because it created temporary disruptions for the younger team; like too many players for half a season. They also were/are generally against playing up in age except in very rare cases.

So the change from BY to SY was to accommodate more players playing with their grade in school...

Got it

Exactly! You cant have it both ways.

ECNL is going to implement a rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down with players a grade below then in school.

The player should not play down in the younger grade players' team. It is a hidden bully with a subtle middle finger.

Normal people understand that playing down is crap.

Crazy people (probably a liberal woman who never played sports) wants to make everything inclusive and fair so even the oddballs that cant tie their shoelaces have a spot on the team.

How do you or anyone define the terms playing down? If kids are the same grade? Because any window of time the older players are technically playing down as well? Is a January kid in BY playing down?

No soccer league is going Grad Year but for people to cry about it so much what sad losers.

A Jan kid in BY is playing with their grade.

A July to Dec kid in BY is playing up a grade.

You dont even understand what you're arguing about. Nobody in BY plays down.

Actually, in BY, Jan-Jul are typically in a higher grade vs. Aug-Dec. so, they are playing against kids in a younger grade now. Much more than they would under SY.

This is what i never understood about everyone complaining about the August kid in an 8-1 cutoff. it seems it is perfectly fine if the August kid is in the same grade as the Jan-July kids but it is not ok if the Aug kid is in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kid...that is the argument that has dominated most of the pages for the last year....but nobody has ever had an issue with the Jan-Mar kids playing against the Oct-Dec kids for the last 7 years and they were in seperate grades. the August kid is the one everyone complains about and how it is unfair (regardles of grade) but it was never an issue to those same people that had grade differences in BY - especially the Jan-March parents. The biggest complainers at this point are the Jan-July parents that no become the Aug-Dec parents from the past 7 years.

100%

And yet this is why 9/1 would have been a better choice. Less misalignment.

There’s a reason they went with 8/1 and that’s most boys start late not early.

Ahhh maybe they should have different age cutoffs off for girls then, because their parents tend to start them on time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

With grad year this can all be fixed!

Nope, that'll just introduce much older kids playing with younger ones purely for advantage like in other youth sports.

What is much older? And how do you decide that? Is a July kid held back much older? Would only be 1 month older than Aug kids?

So should freshman be able to play varsity or not? It wouldn’t be fair for a freshman to take a seniors spot?

Either kids are good enough or they aren’t 1 year doesn’t matter most elite players can and do play up.

I’m not for Grad Year but you cowards who treat it like the boogy man have kids weak as wet toilet paper.

COMPETE regardless of age groupings.

With GY sports crazy parents hold their kid back in middle school as long as possible. (Usually 2 years) This gives their kid an advantage in sports and translates into 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors.

[Anonymous]

Check out the new podcast! All about age grouping.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why a parent would fight for their kid to play down. When i was young if you werem't the same ability as kids your age you didnt play.

The crazy parents were the ones fighting for their kid to play up against older players on an older team. Sometimes these parents were justified. Sometimes they thought their kid was better than they were. But it didn't matter because the older kids would sort that out on the field with the younger player.

The push to playi down started 20 years ago but became more mainstream 10 years ago. You see it all the time at private schools.16 year old freshman are becoming the norm for private schools that recruit.

Youth Soccer has always been grouped based on a 12 month calendar. The cheaters hate it and want to change soccer into another GY sport. This will never happen because clubs control competition and college recruitment pathways. Clubs make much more money not implementing GY not allowing players to play down.

Adding on...

This is why Christian Lavars (the ECNL grand puba) said on the first podcast where they brought up switching from BY to SY. That he didnt agree with players playing down. He said this to calm all the ECNL clubs that know GY would quickly translate into less revenue if implemented.

FYI, the discussion was in reference to playing down on age when trapped and had nothing to do with school grades. He said this because it created temporary disruptions for the younger team; like too many players for half a season. They also were/are generally against playing up in age except in very rare cases.

So the change from BY to SY was to accommodate more players playing with their grade in school...

Got it

Exactly! You cant have it both ways.

ECNL is going to implement a rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down with players a grade below then in school.

The player should not play down in the younger grade players' team. It is a hidden bully with a subtle middle finger.

Normal people understand that playing down is crap.

Crazy people (probably a liberal woman who never played sports) wants to make everything inclusive and fair so even the oddballs that cant tie their shoelaces have a spot on the team.

How do you or anyone define the terms playing down? If kids are the same grade? Because any window of time the older players are technically playing down as well? Is a January kid in BY playing down?

No soccer league is going Grad Year but for people to cry about it so much what sad losers.

A Jan kid in BY is playing with their grade.

A July to Dec kid in BY is playing up a grade.

You dont even understand what you're arguing about. Nobody in BY plays down.

Actually, in BY, Jan-Jul are typically in a higher grade vs. Aug-Dec. so, they are playing against kids in a younger grade now. Much more than they would under SY.

This is what i never understood about everyone complaining about the August kid in an 8-1 cutoff. it seems it is perfectly fine if the August kid is in the same grade as the Jan-July kids but it is not ok if the Aug kid is in the same grade as the Sept-Dec kid...that is the argument that has dominated most of the pages for the last year....but nobody has ever had an issue with the Jan-Mar kids playing against the Oct-Dec kids for the last 7 years and they were in seperate grades. the August kid is the one everyone complains about and how it is unfair (regardles of grade) but it was never an issue to those same people that had grade differences in BY - especially the Jan-March parents. The biggest complainers at this point are the Jan-July parents that no become the Aug-Dec parents from the past 7 years.

100%

And yet this is why 9/1 would have been a better choice. Less misalignment.

There’s a reason they went with 8/1 and that’s most boys start late not early.

Ahhh maybe they should have different age cutoffs off for girls then, because their parents tend to start them on time.

On time or early.

[Anonymous]

If a kid is playing down a SY the chances of them having any significant playing time playing in their actual SY team for showcases is obviously very low. Also kids who are on SY who are on lower teams because of kids playing down a SY taking their spot is unfortunate.They won’t have the same chances to get scouted at major tournaments and just doesn’t make sense. There is nothing wrong playing on the second team in your school year. You will have a better chance to play in college at whatever Division than playing a SY down where you are showing you can’t play within your SY let alone against older men/woman at the next level.

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Anonymous wrote:So what about the 30% of the country that do not have a Sept 1 school cutoff? Some are pretty late. Then do you have a rule that those four to five months worth of kids cannot play in their age matrix? I do not see how that works across the board.

With grad year this can all be fixed!

Nope, that'll just introduce much older kids playing with younger ones purely for advantage like in other youth sports.

What is much older? And how do you decide that? Is a July kid held back much older? Would only be 1 month older than Aug kids?

So should freshman be able to play varsity or not? It wouldn’t be fair for a freshman to take a seniors spot?

Either kids are good enough or they aren’t 1 year doesn’t matter most elite players can and do play up.

I’m not for Grad Year but you cowards who treat it like the boogy man have kids weak as wet toilet paper.

COMPETE regardless of age groupings.

With GY sports crazy parents hold their kid back in middle school as long as possible. (Usually 2 years) This gives their kid an advantage in sports and translates into 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors.

If you can compete with 20 year old seniors at 18 how would you compete with 22/23 year old college players?

Also I’ve never heard of a 20 year old high school student that is academically sound and playing sports.