why do parents sign up for a giant ECNL roster (Mclean 2006 has 28 players)

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Anonymous wrote:This ^^^

Soccer life is too short to train and not play.

But they do play. They practice with the ECNL team and play as a team in other leagues. Plus you have to look at their college placement. Clearly the best in the area.

If you are a bench player at another club you never play and you are not part of the team.

Historic college placement reflects a time period when McLean, FCV, Bethesda and MD United were the only ECNL teams in the area, with no DA, GA or similar competitive leagues. That is still true for the 2004 teams. It was not until the 2005 teams and younger that the talent began to split and be diluted by the other DA teams and expanded ECNL teams. I think we will all see significantly different college commitment lists for 2005, 2006, 2007 and younger teams, compared to the commitments that McLean, FCV and the 2 MD clubs used to have.

It’s already happening at the 04/03 age. McLean has announced only 2 or 3 commits for their seniors.

I am not familiar with the number of recruits committed from local clubs so far this year, but my understanding is that this year is an anomaly given the covid additional year of eligibility. Colleges are drastically reducing their recruiting class because they just don’t have the roster space.

This... Coaches I've heard talk so far have said that this may be the case for a few years, affecting 2023, 2024, and potentially even 2025, because they have no idea how many kids will use the 5th year of eligibility that the NCAA gifted them because of Covid... but it is especially affecting the 22's right now. (Also, Mclean has announced like 4 commits so far, which seems pretty on par with every other club in the area for that class)

any 22's getting athletic money were done well before now. rest of 22's are looking for roster spots at this point. don't forget the transfer portal on top of the gifted year of covid eligibility. i would think many coaches will be looking for 4 or less in the 23 class for the most part.

How much money does a kid get in scholarship? It it worth it?

Getting a large percent of athletic scholarship money in not easy unless you are a top 2 recruit in your recruiting class. Most parents are full of it when they talk about "scholarship" and they exaggerate. Good players who get recruited and offered get some athletic money and if they have good grades stack some academic money on top. The rest of the folks are really chasing a few roster spots and hoping it will help them get into whatever school they are hoping for...check out some of the college rosters this fall...they have bloated to 30+. Add in the transfer portal and over seas kids and it's flat out not easy.

Let me give you a tip. The kids that get money are the kids who are the top pick for the specific program that is recruiting them. Do yourself a favor and never forget that. Most kids are not good enough to get substantial athletic scholarships at top programs. So if they want the money, they have to drop down and be top recruits for mid-tier programs. It’s that simple.

Most 2023’s that have committed or receiving offers are the 70-100 percent athletic scholarship kids.

Let me give you a tip. You obviously don't have a kid at a "top program". You obviously don't have a kid at a "mid-tier program". It's simple make a cup of tea and hit the sack. Most of the 23's ain't committed. grab a clue.

Loud and wrong because you’re reading comprehension is sub par.

Here’s a tip. Read - Comprehend - Comment

I said “most 2023 that HAVE committed”. You understand that this is different than “most 2023s have committed.”

I say again….the 2023’s that HAVE committed are receiving substantial athletic money. The 2023’s that are entertaining offers are set to receive substantial athletic money.

The early offers go to the top recruits for the program. The top recruits get the money. Understand meatball?

I think you should have bolded THAT, not HAVE. Anyhow, do you have any solid evidence to back up your claims? Are you a college coach or work at a college? Do you have kids that received a soccer scholarships? Tell us how you’re qualified to make these statements. Thanks.

Here’s my solid evidence. If a 2023 is already committed it’s because they were the programs top recruit. So ask yourself, do you think a programs top recruit got substantial money?

Your solid evidence is to pose a question that you think you have the answer to? Interesting. Again, what qualifies you and where are your facts? Yeah ... that's right, didn't think you had any ...

What resume do you have to say I’m wrong?

See how the game is played?

Do you have a kid playing on scholarship? Have you gone through the process from beginning to end?

My answer is, Yes. What’s yours? Let me answer: No

You lack understanding of the basics which means there is no way you can remotely comprehend today’s landscape.

I recently looked at a roster that had 6 grad students that transferred in, 7 5th year seniors who had been redshirted, 3 international players, and a couple of other transfers.

Do you have any idea what that does to a future recruiting class? Money and spots are not available like before.

I’m not an expert. I don’t pretend to be one. Listen - Don’t listen - Doesn’t matter

Do your own homework 📚

I actually never said you were wrong. I asked for facts. Twice. I was trying to learn and you were being a pompous ass. You’ve finally provided some actual facts: your kid is on a scholarship. My kid isn’t old enough, so no. Why do you think I was asking, ass hat? As far as you looking at “a” roster, who cares? That’s a single roster. You’re arrogant and presumptive. I hope your kid learns better critical thinking skills than you while they’re in college. Anyhow, thanks for finally supporting your bullshit (partially).

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Anonymous wrote:This ^^^

Soccer life is too short to train and not play.

But they do play. They practice with the ECNL team and play as a team in other leagues. Plus you have to look at their college placement. Clearly the best in the area.

If you are a bench player at another club you never play and you are not part of the team.

Historic college placement reflects a time period when McLean, FCV, Bethesda and MD United were the only ECNL teams in the area, with no DA, GA or similar competitive leagues. That is still true for the 2004 teams. It was not until the 2005 teams and younger that the talent began to split and be diluted by the other DA teams and expanded ECNL teams. I think we will all see significantly different college commitment lists for 2005, 2006, 2007 and younger teams, compared to the commitments that McLean, FCV and the 2 MD clubs used to have.

It’s already happening at the 04/03 age. McLean has announced only 2 or 3 commits for their seniors.

I am not familiar with the number of recruits committed from local clubs so far this year, but my understanding is that this year is an anomaly given the covid additional year of eligibility. Colleges are drastically reducing their recruiting class because they just don’t have the roster space.

This... Coaches I've heard talk so far have said that this may be the case for a few years, affecting 2023, 2024, and potentially even 2025, because they have no idea how many kids will use the 5th year of eligibility that the NCAA gifted them because of Covid... but it is especially affecting the 22's right now. (Also, Mclean has announced like 4 commits so far, which seems pretty on par with every other club in the area for that class)

any 22's getting athletic money were done well before now. rest of 22's are looking for roster spots at this point. don't forget the transfer portal on top of the gifted year of covid eligibility. i would think many coaches will be looking for 4 or less in the 23 class for the most part.

How much money does a kid get in scholarship? It it worth it?

Getting a large percent of athletic scholarship money in not easy unless you are a top 2 recruit in your recruiting class. Most parents are full of it when they talk about "scholarship" and they exaggerate. Good players who get recruited and offered get some athletic money and if they have good grades stack some academic money on top. The rest of the folks are really chasing a few roster spots and hoping it will help them get into whatever school they are hoping for...check out some of the college rosters this fall...they have bloated to 30+. Add in the transfer portal and over seas kids and it's flat out not easy.

Let me give you a tip. The kids that get money are the kids who are the top pick for the specific program that is recruiting them. Do yourself a favor and never forget that. Most kids are not good enough to get substantial athletic scholarships at top programs. So if they want the money, they have to drop down and be top recruits for mid-tier programs. It’s that simple.

Most 2023’s that have committed or receiving offers are the 70-100 percent athletic scholarship kids.

Let me give you a tip. You obviously don't have a kid at a "top program". You obviously don't have a kid at a "mid-tier program". It's simple make a cup of tea and hit the sack. Most of the 23's ain't committed. grab a clue.

Loud and wrong because you’re reading comprehension is sub par.

Here’s a tip. Read - Comprehend - Comment

I said “most 2023 that HAVE committed”. You understand that this is different than “most 2023s have committed.”

I say again….the 2023’s that HAVE committed are receiving substantial athletic money. The 2023’s that are entertaining offers are set to receive substantial athletic money.

The early offers go to the top recruits for the program. The top recruits get the money. Understand meatball?

I think you should have bolded THAT, not HAVE. Anyhow, do you have any solid evidence to back up your claims? Are you a college coach or work at a college? Do you have kids that received a soccer scholarships? Tell us how you’re qualified to make these statements. Thanks.

Here’s my solid evidence. If a 2023 is already committed it’s because they were the programs top recruit. So ask yourself, do you think a programs top recruit got substantial money?

Your solid evidence is to pose a question that you think you have the answer to? Interesting. Again, what qualifies you and where are your facts? Yeah ... that's right, didn't think you had any ...

What resume do you have to say I’m wrong?

See how the game is played?

Do you have a kid playing on scholarship? Have you gone through the process from beginning to end?

My answer is, Yes. What’s yours? Let me answer: No

You lack understanding of the basics which means there is no way you can remotely comprehend today’s landscape.

I recently looked at a roster that had 6 grad students that transferred in, 7 5th year seniors who had been redshirted, 3 international players, and a couple of other transfers.

Do you have any idea what that does to a future recruiting class? Money and spots are not available like before.

I’m not an expert. I don’t pretend to be one. Listen - Don’t listen - Doesn’t matter

Do your own homework 📚

I actually never said you were wrong. I asked for facts. Twice. I was trying to learn and you were being a pompous ass. You’ve finally provided some actual facts: your kid is on a scholarship. My kid isn’t old enough, so no. Why do you think I was asking, ass hat? As far as you looking at “a” roster, who cares? That’s a single roster. You’re arrogant and presumptive. I hope your kid learns better critical thinking skills than you while they’re in college. Anyhow, thanks for finally supporting your bullshit (partially).

1. No one needs to provide anything. Me telling you doesn’t help me.
2. I can provide you 330 rosters and they will show the same thing.
3. You’re not trying to learn. You’re trying to challenge like a 15 year old pushing their boundaries.

Let’s start again

4. A redshirt player always had an extra year of eligibility
5. A redshirt player now has two extra years because of covid. That means they can stay on scholarship for two additional years after graduation. Players are now getting their masters on the universities dime.Cha-Ching
6. Every non-redshirt now gets and extra year. I know of players that are transferring their 5th year to others schools to pursue their masters. These kids are taking roster spots and money.
7. Add in the international players and regular transfers.

Point being: Today’s landscape is extremely challenging. IF substantial athletic money is important, you better be organized and prepared to accept.

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UVA women’s have 4 grad students and 5 redshirts who have six years of eligibility. Everyone else (besides freshman) gets an extra year of eligibility (5th year)

There’s going to be a surge of master degrees among soccer players

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A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

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Anonymous wrote:A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

All correct. The extra year of eligibility was an ill-considered knee-jerk decision by the NCAA that changes the recruiting landscape for youth players. That, on top of budget reductions from the lost year of revenues and declining enrollment due to COVID, is drastically shrinking the number of spots for incoming freshmen starting with 22's but extending to 23's and possibly 24's. Clubs are creating larger rosters because players/families have a real focus on leveraging the connections of the club to get their best shot.

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Anonymous wrote:A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

All correct. The extra year of eligibility was an ill-considered knee-jerk decision by the NCAA that changes the recruiting landscape for youth players. That, on top of budget reductions from the lost year of revenues and declining enrollment due to COVID, is drastically shrinking the number of spots for incoming freshmen starting with 22's but extending to 23's and possibly 24's. Clubs are creating larger rosters because players/families have a real focus on leveraging the connections of the club to get their best shot.

As the saying goes: It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ there have been years where McLean has sent 20+ seniors to play college soccer. You are right that McLean does not have a track record of sending non-ECNL players to college but McLean has never had a team like MSI White that just moved over to McLean and was coached by Nadir. That team has beaten McLean, Bethesda and Loudoun and other top teams in the area and has at least a dozen girls capable of playing at the next level. MSI parents had the choice of going to a non-McLean ECNL team or keep the team together and move to McLean ro remain with Nadir. Some of the top players on the team were already playing McLean ECNL and others will have the opportunity to do so while others will play on the Composite where they will showcase at the top non-ECNL showcases. Given Nadir’s reputation among and connection to college coaches, moving to McLean is not a bad place. Are the players guaranteed college recruiting? No but clearly you can recognize that the opportunity is there.

Remember - all the top talent from MSI white already moved to McLean ECNL - some went to MD United.
So what’s left on white got plucked up and moved to Virginia because Nadir didn’t want to drive to Maryland anymore. The team isn’t the same white tram it was from last year.

Also as you all praise Nadir - he had 5 ‘05 teams in MSI. He plucks there talent to the top and leaves the other 4 teams to be mediocre at best.

He gives the impression he cares about all the kids but he doesn’t.

His hand is in too many pots.

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I don’t get it. This age group was not good a few years back. Why be a bench player when you could probably start somewhere else? I can’t imagine you would get heavily recruited if you can’t even start for your own club team.

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I do not get it either but some of the kids have been at McLean a longtime and have established relationships and that means something. Not all the kids want to play in college. Their decision so why not let it go?

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Union 05 and 06 teams not killing it so far-guess VDA will still be dominant.

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Anonymous wrote:Union 05 and 06 teams not killing it so far-guess VDA will still be dominant.

Union 05 just tied two of the three top teams in their conference. Pretty good weekend for them. VDA 05s will be bottom feeders along with BRYC and Loudoun. VDA 06, still very good and probably better than McLean 06 but we will see when they play in their league game this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Union 05 and 06 teams not killing it so far-guess VDA will still be dominant.

Union 05 just tied two of the three top teams in their conference. Pretty good weekend for them. VDA 05s will be bottom feeders along with BRYC and Loudoun. VDA 06, still very good and probably better than McLean 06 but we will see when they play in their league game this year.

Probably better? Love that McLean delusion!

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Anonymous wrote:Union 05 and 06 teams not killing it so far-guess VDA will still be dominant.

Union 05 just tied two of the three top teams in their conference. Pretty good weekend for them. VDA 05s will be bottom feeders along with BRYC and Loudoun. VDA 06, still very good and probably better than McLean 06 but we will see when they play in their league game this year.

Lol... didn't VDA 06 beat Union 05s two weekends ago?

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Anonymous wrote:A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

All correct. The extra year of eligibility was an ill-considered knee-jerk decision by the NCAA that changes the recruiting landscape for youth players. That, on top of budget reductions from the lost year of revenues and declining enrollment due to COVID, is drastically shrinking the number of spots for incoming freshmen starting with 22's but extending to 23's and possibly 24's. Clubs are creating larger rosters because players/families have a real focus on leveraging the connections of the club to get their best shot.

These kids aren't on scholarship. I'm not sure all will be able to afford to stay the extra year (especially when you look across all D1 schools). You're also asking a college kid to put off their life for an extra year, lots are just ready to move on by the time they're seniors

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Anonymous wrote:A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

All correct. The extra year of eligibility was an ill-considered knee-jerk decision by the NCAA that changes the recruiting landscape for youth players. That, on top of budget reductions from the lost year of revenues and declining enrollment due to COVID, is drastically shrinking the number of spots for incoming freshmen starting with 22's but extending to 23's and possibly 24's. Clubs are creating larger rosters because players/families have a real focus on leveraging the connections of the club to get their best shot.

These kids aren't on scholarship. I'm not sure all will be able to afford to stay the extra year (especially when you look across all D1 schools). You're also asking a college kid to put off their life for an extra year, lots are just ready to move on by the time they're seniors

You don't know who is or is not on scholarship.
It only takes a couple of players staying on to dramatically reduce the size of the incoming freshman class.
Many who are taking advantage of this are using it to allow them to play while in grad studies, some with a scholarship.