why do parents sign up for a giant ECNL roster (Mclean 2006 has 28 players)

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Anonymous wrote:A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

All correct. The extra year of eligibility was an ill-considered knee-jerk decision by the NCAA that changes the recruiting landscape for youth players. That, on top of budget reductions from the lost year of revenues and declining enrollment due to COVID, is drastically shrinking the number of spots for incoming freshmen starting with 22's but extending to 23's and possibly 24's. Clubs are creating larger rosters because players/families have a real focus on leveraging the connections of the club to get their best shot.

These kids aren't on scholarship. I'm not sure all will be able to afford to stay the extra year (especially when you look across all D1 schools). You're also asking a college kid to put off their life for an extra year, lots are just ready to move on by the time they're seniors

You don't know who is or is not on scholarship.
It only takes a couple of players staying on to dramatically reduce the size of the incoming freshman class.
Many who are taking advantage of this are using it to allow them to play while in grad studies, some with a scholarship.

Yep freshmen class is usually 4-6 new players. If you are a coach you can now pick up a 4 year starter to add to your program vs a travel kid. Which would you pick?

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4. A redshirt player always had an extra year of eligibility
5. A redshirt player now has two extra years because of covid. That means they can stay on scholarship for two additional years after graduation. Players are now getting their masters on the universities dime.Cha-Ching
6. Every non-redshirt now gets and extra year. I know of players that are transferring their 5th year to others schools to pursue their masters. These kids are taking roster spots and money.
7. Add in the international players and regular transfers.

Point being: Today’s landscape is extremely challenging. IF substantial athletic money is important, you better be organized and prepared to accept.

I hope this mess if fixed before my DS gets there in a few years. Sheesh.

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It's crazy. Mclean has signed 5 players this year.
FIVE.
It's just dumb to be on an ECNL roster of 28.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ there have been years where McLean has sent 20+ seniors to play college soccer. You are right that McLean does not have a track record of sending non-ECNL players to college but McLean has never had a team like MSI White that just moved over to McLean and was coached by Nadir. That team has beaten McLean, Bethesda and Loudoun and other top teams in the area and has at least a dozen girls capable of playing at the next level. MSI parents had the choice of going to a non-McLean ECNL team or keep the team together and move to McLean ro remain with Nadir. Some of the top players on the team were already playing McLean ECNL and others will have the opportunity to do so while others will play on the Composite where they will showcase at the top non-ECNL showcases. Given Nadir’s reputation among and connection to college coaches, moving to McLean is not a bad place. Are the players guaranteed college recruiting? No but clearly you can recognize that the opportunity is there.

Remember - all the top talent from MSI white already moved to McLean ECNL - some went to MD United.
So what’s left on white got plucked up and moved to Virginia because Nadir didn’t want to drive to Maryland anymore. The team isn’t the same white tram it was from last year.

Also as you all praise Nadir - he had 5 ‘05 teams in MSI. He plucks there talent to the top and leaves the other 4 teams to be mediocre at best.

He gives the impression he cares about all the kids but he doesn’t.

His hand is in too many pots.

I agree that Nadir has way too many irons in the fire but to criticize him for challenging the best players is silly. The reality is that good players aren't stupid. They know when they are better than those around them and will want to play with players that have similar ability. To Nadir's credit, he always gave opportunities to players looking for a challenge. His three elite 05 teams did quite well last year. The ECNL team missed the national playoffs by a game and the Herndon and MSI teams both advanced to regionals. Give the guy his due.

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Anonymous wrote:It's crazy. Mclean has signed 5 players this year.
FIVE.
It's just dumb to be on an ECNL roster of 28.

What five players? Previous teams would have most of the seniors committed by now. What is going on there.

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Are you serious? You want to know who these kids are? Good Lord. They probably are trying to retain kids who have played at Mclean while bringing in more plus the merger. This is a tough crowd.

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Do the 06's still have 28 on their roster--or more now?

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Anonymous wrote:A D1 freshman athlete, whether they compete in the 2020-21 competition season or not, is eligible for an extra year of competition. Starting their sophomore year, this athlete competes in 100% of the season through senior year. After their senior season, this athlete’s eligibility count is 3 years and they decide to enroll as a fifth-year senior to compete in their fourth collegiate season. Upon the completion of their fourth competition season, this athlete has the option to compete for one final season, a fifth year, because the NCAA D1 had granted all 2020-21 athletes an extra year of eligibility. If this athlete returns for a fifth year, they will have been a member of the team and eligible to receive financial aid for six year, because their first year of competition didn’t count against their years eligibility

All correct. The extra year of eligibility was an ill-considered knee-jerk decision by the NCAA that changes the recruiting landscape for youth players. That, on top of budget reductions from the lost year of revenues and declining enrollment due to COVID, is drastically shrinking the number of spots for incoming freshmen starting with 22's but extending to 23's and possibly 24's. Clubs are creating larger rosters because players/families have a real focus on leveraging the connections of the club to get their best shot.

These kids aren't on scholarship. I'm not sure all will be able to afford to stay the extra year (especially when you look across all D1 schools). You're also asking a college kid to put off their life for an extra year, lots are just ready to move on by the time they're seniors

You don’t think kids staying the extra year are on scholarship? Lol. Okay broski.

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Anonymous wrote:Do the 06's still have 28 on their roster--or more now?

McLean 06 girls are doing well. How are they managing the 28 players through the first few weekends of games?

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Are they?

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Anonymous wrote:It's crazy. Mclean has signed 5 players this year.
FIVE.
It's just dumb to be on an ECNL roster of 28.

We scrimmaged an ECNL team before the season and they had a ton of players. I didn't count exactly, but it was over 22. Then we played a regular season game in our league (ECNL-R) and I noticed a couple players who were on that team we scrimmaged. Maybe they just start out with 28, but some of them just practice with the full ECNL team, but aren't really on it?

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Anonymous wrote:Do the 06's still have 28 on their roster--or more now?

McLean 06 girls are doing well. How are they managing the 28 players through the first few weekends of games?

Holding onto them so others can't have them.

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Have a question to how these large rosters are managed. DO all 28 girls rotate onto the ECNL rosters? I realize that there are a few that are always on the game day roster. Can a parent on this team tell me the number of girls who are always on the roster? I'm just curious if it is 5-6 girls or 13-14 girls. And for the girls who are number 19-28 how often are you on the roster?

Asking because I have a DD who is a starter on a Union team with 19 players. She is not top player on the team but is a solid starter. Just trying to understand how these things are handled once the roster size gets out of hand.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a question to how these large rosters are managed. DO all 28 girls rotate onto the ECNL rosters? I realize that there are a few that are always on the game day roster. Can a parent on this team tell me the number of girls who are always on the roster? I'm just curious if it is 5-6 girls or 13-14 girls. And for the girls who are number 19-28 how often are you on the roster?

Asking because I have a DD who is a starter on a Union team with 19 players. She is not top player on the team but is a solid starter. Just trying to understand how these things are handled once the roster size gets out of hand.

When the rosters get out of hand the extra players are dual rostered and play mostly with the B team.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a question to how these large rosters are managed. DO all 28 girls rotate onto the ECNL rosters? I realize that there are a few that are always on the game day roster. Can a parent on this team tell me the number of girls who are always on the roster? I'm just curious if it is 5-6 girls or 13-14 girls. And for the girls who are number 19-28 how often are you on the roster?

Asking because I have a DD who is a starter on a Union team with 19 players. She is not top player on the team but is a solid starter. Just trying to understand how these things are handled once the roster size gets out of hand.

When the rosters get out of hand the extra players are dual rostered and play mostly with the B team.

That is correct, and if not the B team, the A team on a club that does not have ECNL, such as DMV (aka Total Futbol) due to the coaching tie in. Several girls across various ages do this. In fact I know one kid that plays Union 06 ECNL and DMV 05 and another that plays Union 03/04 ECNL and DMV 03/04. They also play HS ball and are all conference, as you’d expect.