Does DCPS care? New model shows even with masks, 40% of students will still be infected with Delta

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A weekly data update in the form of graphs based on linked raw data straight from a public health data agency is a reliable source.

you dont know what a valid source is

A valid source for what? For an informed, intellectually honest discussion of public health threats on an anonymous forum? It sure is. It takes some serious disingenuousness to look at that consistency shared and posted information and shrug "dunno that guy - raw data too raw - whatever."

As far as the kids hospitalized in the "flat" part of that curve, (i.e. before that BMJ article calling the curve flat mid-June before or as it shot up through the rest of June and all of July), 1 in 25 pediatric patients hospitalized between April 2020 and February 2021 developed neurological complications.
https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/uk-study-approximately-1-in-25-children-hospitalized-with-covid-19-develop-neurological-complications/
Those neurological complications were more prevalent in hospitalized kids than in adults hospitalized for covid.

Among the 1,334 children studied, researchers identified 52 cases of children who developed neurological complications, or 3.8 per cent of the study group. For adults who are hospitalized with COVID-19, current data puts the prevalence of neurological complications at only 0.9 per cent.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00193-0/fulltext

Oh lord. Another journal article you didn't read. The study group is only hospitalized patients..

Have you thought about reading a single one of your sources thoroughly before citing?

Apparently not.

Like, do you realize how tiny a population that is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A weekly data update in the form of graphs based on linked raw data straight from a public health data agency is a reliable source.

you dont know what a valid source is

A valid source for what? For an informed, intellectually honest discussion of public health threats on an anonymous forum? It sure is. It takes some serious disingenuousness to look at that consistency shared and posted information and shrug "dunno that guy - raw data too raw - whatever."

As far as the kids hospitalized in the "flat" part of that curve, (i.e. before that BMJ article calling the curve flat mid-June before or as it shot up through the rest of June and all of July), 1 in 25 pediatric patients hospitalized between April 2020 and February 2021 developed neurological complications.
https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/uk-study-approximately-1-in-25-children-hospitalized-with-covid-19-develop-neurological-complications/
Those neurological complications were more prevalent in hospitalized kids than in adults hospitalized for covid.

Among the 1,334 children studied, researchers identified 52 cases of children who developed neurological complications, or 3.8 per cent of the study group. For adults who are hospitalized with COVID-19, current data puts the prevalence of neurological complications at only 0.9 per cent.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00193-0/fulltext

Oh lord. Another journal article you didn't read. The study group is only hospitalized patients..

Have you thought about reading a single one of your sources thoroughly before citing?

Apparently not.

Like, do you realize how tiny a population that is?

the article wasn't even meant to be about the number of children who developed neurological complications, but about how to approach care.

[Anonymous]

"Although COVID-19 requiring hospital treatment is very rare in children and young people overall"

and they are literally working in the (low) tens of children to make inferences. they literally make one inference based on EIGHT TOTAL children

[Anonymous]

Man I am getting worn out with all of these weird and/or misquoted sources. I deserve an Olympic medal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents cavalier or resigned attitudes is what worries me the most this fall.

We’ve heard from experts their concern about the impact Delta will have on kids. In order to keep kids healthy and in the classroom as long as possible, we all need to be in this together. So many on this board refuse to listen to experts and simply shrug their shoulders.

I have an SN kid who needs to be in-person to receive services — but also has a rare disease that puts them at risk of severe outcomes if they contract covid. If not for your kid, then please for mine — take this seriously.

This is simply not true. Experts have been quoted over and over to attest that there is no evidence that Delta is more virulent in kids, or that Long Covid is a significant risk for them. You might not agree with those experts based on what you hear on the news, but we are absolutely listening to experts.

Nobody is saying there isn’t a higher risk of transmission in schools with delta, which is obviously a problem for higher risk kids like yours. I am sorry you are facing this situation, but we cannot make policy for all children based on the needs of a few. Schools need to open full time with mitigations in place, but not those that make full time school impossible.

The point -- which is that people aren't taking this seriously -- is backed up by numerous posts in here by comments like "oh well, kids are just gonna get it" and "I'd rather them just get it." When experts say parents should avoid having kids get covid, and parents who say they don't care about their kids getting covid are sending their kids to the same school as my child, I get worried.

I said that I need my child to be in school, so OBVIOUSLY I *want* kids to be in school. But the only way we can keep them there is if folks are committed to keeping case counts down.

This is not debatable: infections of children have been steadily increasing (cite). And while experts have said we don't yet have enough data to know *if* Delta is more virulent and severe in children, they HAVE communicated caution and urged parents to take it seriously (see Surgeon General or Google for numerous quotes).

AAP believes that in-school is critical for children's learning, socialization and mental health -- but they also state that "schools must continue to take a multi-pronged, layered approach" including quarantining, testing, etc (cite). Not all of those mitigation efforts are going to be in place in DC schools, and with parents shrugging their shoulders and sending their kid in anyway when they're sick, I'm not exactly feeling safe sending my SN kid in.

And oh by the way -- schools ARE in fact supposed to be making policies to be as inclusive as possible and support the needs of the few (see AAP, IDEA)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents cavalier or resigned attitudes is what worries me the most this fall.

We’ve heard from experts their concern about the impact Delta will have on kids. In order to keep kids healthy and in the classroom as long as possible, we all need to be in this together. So many on this board refuse to listen to experts and simply shrug their shoulders.

I have an SN kid who needs to be in-person to receive services — but also has a rare disease that puts them at risk of severe outcomes if they contract covid. If not for your kid, then please for mine — take this seriously.

This is simply not true. Experts have been quoted over and over to attest that there is no evidence that Delta is more virulent in kids, or that Long Covid is a significant risk for them. You might not agree with those experts based on what you hear on the news, but we are absolutely listening to experts.

Nobody is saying there isn’t a higher risk of transmission in schools with delta, which is obviously a problem for higher risk kids like yours. I am sorry you are facing this situation, but we cannot make policy for all children based on the needs of a few. Schools need to open full time with mitigations in place, but not those that make full time school impossible.

The point -- which is that people aren't taking this seriously -- is backed up by numerous posts in here by comments like "oh well, kids are just gonna get it" and "I'd rather them just get it." When experts say parents should avoid having kids get covid, and parents who say they don't care about their kids getting covid are sending their kids to the same school as my child, I get worried.

I said that I need my child to be in school, so OBVIOUSLY I *want* kids to be in school. But the only way we can keep them there is if folks are committed to keeping case counts down.

This is not debatable: infections of children have been steadily increasing (cite). And while experts have said we don't yet have enough data to know *if* Delta is more virulent and severe in children, they HAVE communicated caution and urged parents to take it seriously (see Surgeon General or Google for numerous quotes).

AAP believes that in-school is critical for children's learning, socialization and mental health -- but they also state that "schools must continue to take a multi-pronged, layered approach" including quarantining, testing, etc (cite). Not all of those mitigation efforts are going to be in place in DC schools, and with parents shrugging their shoulders and sending their kid in anyway when they're sick, I'm not exactly feeling safe sending my SN kid in.

And oh by the way -- schools ARE in fact supposed to be making policies to be as inclusive as possible and support the needs of the few (see AAP, IDEA)

So, if you "NEED" your kids back in school what are you willing to sacrifice to make it safe - stop eating out? stop travel? limit shopping and socializing? We need behavior and vaccines at this point. Since no one is willing to sacfrice their lifestyle all we have are vaccines for adults and that's not enough. So, plan on your kids getting covid.

[Anonymous]

My kids already got covid. Like almost all kids it was not a big deal. One day of fever and then back to normal. I was willing to keep my kids at home to protect elders in my community (and since my kids attend a private that had in person options this was an actual choice) but I think it’s pretty silly to keep kids home to protect the kids themselves from covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids already got covid. Like almost all kids it was not a big deal. One day of fever and then back to normal. I was willing to keep my kids at home to protect elders in my community (and since my kids attend a private that had in person options this was an actual choice) but I think it’s pretty silly to keep kids home to protect the kids themselves from covid.

Not every kid will have mild covid. You keep your kids home. Stop being selfish. They can and probably will get covid again.

[Anonymous]

How will we even know if a child tests positive for COVID if they aren't being tested at school? Even last year, my school would randomly select one student in my class to test and towards the end of the year even that stopped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids already got covid. Like almost all kids it was not a big deal. One day of fever and then back to normal. I was willing to keep my kids at home to protect elders in my community (and since my kids attend a private that had in person options this was an actual choice) but I think it’s pretty silly to keep kids home to protect the kids themselves from covid.

Private?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey don’t get medical advice from the internet. Have you ever read the Health and Medicine threads? It will take you approximately 30 seconds to find a comment that you will immediately realize is just made by someone who is talking out of their azz. Talk to your trusted pediatrician.

Haven’t had a chance to talk to my pediatrician. But I am friends with two doctors. Neither are sending their under 12s to in-person school in the fall. That’s making me real nervous.

[Anonymous]

Folks delta will be gone in about 4 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey don’t get medical advice from the internet. Have you ever read the Health and Medicine threads? It will take you approximately 30 seconds to find a comment that you will immediately realize is just made by someone who is talking out of their azz. Talk to your trusted pediatrician.

Haven’t had a chance to talk to my pediatrician. But I am friends with two doctors. Neither are sending their under 12s to in-person school in the fall. That’s making me real nervous.

Where are your friends, what are the vaccination rates among different populations there, and are the schools doing mandatory masks?

Are you talking about DC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks delta will be gone in about 4 weeks.

More infectious = faster burn out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey don’t get medical advice from the internet. Have you ever read the Health and Medicine threads? It will take you approximately 30 seconds to find a comment that you will immediately realize is just made by someone who is talking out of their azz. Talk to your trusted pediatrician.

Haven’t had a chance to talk to my pediatrician. But I am friends with two doctors. Neither are sending their under 12s to in-person school in the fall. That’s making me real nervous.

Where are your friends, what are the vaccination rates among different populations there, and are the schools doing mandatory masks?

Are you talking about DC?

One in DC and one in Chicago. Mandatory masks, yes. Ugh.