Men: how do you feel about women who get regular botox, fillers, etc?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amazing, and depressing, how we keep inventing things for women to spend money on to make themselves look better. I’m almost 50 and I feel like when I was young women didn’t do any of this. Now everyone gets mani/pedi, public hair waxed or lasered off (and often other hair as well), Botox, fillers, not to mention hair extensions and dye and actual plastic surgery. It’s amazing to me how pervasive all this is.

I don’t do any of it. I’m lazy and I guess I don’t care all that much what I look like.

I agree. When are we going to figure out what’s valuable is in the brain 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ha okay so my mom says this, that what’s on the outside really doesn’t matter, and she looks insane. I’m sure both PPs would judge her appearance pretty harshly. She doesn’t get good haircuts and hair is constantly frizzy, she wears no makeup ever, and she just wears whatever she happens to see from goodwill, no matter the pattern or fit or brand (she does buy good-quality stuff though).

I adore my mom, but I want to put more effort into my appearance. And that doesn’t mean I don’t know that it is far from the most important thing in life.

And of course the next question is at what point is too much when it comes to putting effort into your appearance? How different is, say, teeth whitening from Botox? Yes Botox is more invasive but they are both expensive cosmetic procedures you don’t need.

you know it's possible to be well-groomed and attractive without teeth whitening and botox. If you want to engage in cosmetic procedures that's fine, but it's ridiculous to act like if you don't get them you look like a slob.

I was responding to the statement that “what’s valuable is in the brain.” I never said you had to get those things.

And my mom doesn’t look like a slob. She is clean, her hair is brushed, etc. She just doesn’t look good because she thinks her appearance isn’t important.

People who wear makeup, get nice haircuts (and maybe even some dye to cover their grays), make sure their clothes flatter their figures, have their kids get braces, etc. really shouldn’t judge somebody who gets a couple shots to smooth out their forehead.

I do the haircut/dye, wear Invisalign, use retinol and a personal trainer. I justify by saying that those money are well spent since better aligned teeth helps with long term life quality and personal trainers help correct body alignments so I can continue to be pain free.

But tummy tuck or facelift are too much as far as pain / long term benefit ratio is not optimal.

Botox is in the middle, probably more painful than a work out but less painful than a tummy tuck.

PP here, and this is basically what I do too (I also get Botox for anxiety). But I recognize that there is a cosmetic/vanity element to what I do to my teeth and how much time I spend on my hair, and I definitely don’t mind not having 11s. I don’t judge people who get plastic surgery for being vain because I think that as much as we don’t want to be superficial, most of us are at least a little vain.

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Most of the women we knew that started that years ago look hideous today. I don't know if the fillers made their face sag because the muscles weren't able to work on their own, or what. One friend I urged to stop, or at least slow down. She was a very pretty blonde. She simply looked like the Joker from all the lip injections, even her husband joked and called her "HeidiStein".
I can see in moderation, but too many destroyed their features. Look at some of the celebrities, or talk show hosts. Some scary ones for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the women we knew that started that years ago look hideous today. I don't know if the fillers made their face sag because the muscles weren't able to work on their own, or what. One friend I urged to stop, or at least slow down. She was a very pretty blonde. She simply looked like the Joker from all the lip injections, even her husband joked and called her "HeidiStein".
I can see in moderation, but too many destroyed their features. Look at some of the celebrities, or talk show hosts. Some scary ones for sure.

I know of a woman who started in her late 20s, she hasn't kept up with it during covid and her face does appear "lumpy" in an unnatural way. I am not sure its because she had a incompetent surgeon or she did too much/too long, she has fillers done on her cheeks and chins. Maybe 11 is a safer spot to get botox, not that I know of. But it's very sad because she used to be very beautiful and could have aged gracefully.

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Botox is injected 3-4 times a year, your body takes an average of 5 years to breakdown each injection. The injection site spreads out which is why you need to get touchups throughout the year. Year after year the Botox compounds which creates the puff look in older women. Highly recommend watching Dr. Gavin Chan discusses the problem of immunity to botulinum toxin treatments, how it occurs, and how to prevent it.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the women we knew that started that years ago look hideous today. I don't know if the fillers made their face sag because the muscles weren't able to work on their own, or what. One friend I urged to stop, or at least slow down. She was a very pretty blonde. She simply looked like the Joker from all the lip injections, even her husband joked and called her "HeidiStein".
I can see in moderation, but too many destroyed their features. Look at some of the celebrities, or talk show hosts. Some scary ones for sure.

This is precisely what I most fear. These women look so hideous. Dont know if they overdid it or if something gone wrong, but that is outright scary.

If you are going to inject strong chemicals into your body just for the looks and try to beat nature, is it really a surprise that it results in Frankenstein.