In DC: "White Parents Horrified by George Floyd Video Still Go to Great Lengths..."

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we are all clear:

Wilson HS- 39% white (Racist)

Washington Latin- 35% white (Not Racist)
https://latinpcs.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2018-10-29-Washington-Latin-PCS-%E2%80%93-Upper-School-HS-PMF.pdf

BASIS DC- 45% white (Not Racist)
https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/138

Makes total sense to me.

You can’t be that dumb. What is the difference between Wilson and the other two schools? Could it be that they’re charters and charters are lottery? Wilson is by property rights. Lottery for all HS would make Wilson in the same category as charters. (Not endorsing just pointing it out.)

I don’t get a meaningful distinction. Different methods of entry, so people get there by different routes. One relies on some luck, and one requires restricting your housing search by geography (and probably settling for much smaller housing).

I don’t see some big moral difference.

Wow. Do you think the majority of people who live in the poorest IB school catchment areas can afford to live in JKLM-land? In any kind of or size of housing? Do you think they have that kind of mobility? Or the community support to provide child-care (because they aren't hiring au pairs)? The mere fact that you see this merely as an issue of "restricting your housing search by geography " necessarily disqualifies you from meaningful participation in this discussion. This is not about your friends from grad school who chose to buy a $900,000 house in Petworth instead of a tiny place in Friendship Heights and are now complaining about their school options.

You can live in JKLM/Eaton/OA for $800/mo. Not many families would like the options at that price.

PP again — but the question here isn’t whether everybody can afford all areas of town.

The question is whether it’s racist to go to Wilson vs. Latin.

If the idea is someone is racist because their income is higher than someone else’s, well, I don’t know what to tell you.

Here is one observation: while wilson has diverse demographics, many neighborhoods that feed to Wilson are not diverse.

I'm not sure what the breakdown is of where Latin kids are coming from, but is it possible that they live in more integrated neighborhoods? And thus the white kids there are not living in an overwhelming white neighborhood and it all feels less racist.

DCPS is 10% white. Charter selection should be done by lottery. What is your reason for why BASIS has a larger white population than DCPS and even larger than IB for Wilson? I’d really like to know how it’s not evidence of systemic racism.

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If about 40% of the people who rank Basis high (or even just include it) on their lottery list are white, then about 40% of the students will be white.

Same reason there are few whites at KIPP: few whites rank it high on their lottery lists.

The lottery is not completely random results. It’s aim is to fairly match students to the schools whose approach they like best.

Also, Wilson’s IB neighborhoods are not 48% Black, but they are diverse. For example, of my 8 closest neighbors, 3 families are South Asian and 1 is Spanish.

That does not count as diversity in DC my friend

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Anonymous wrote:So the lottery is racist? If so, who is responsible? Who decided to use a lottery system?

The lottery outcomes certainly look racially biased to me if they are depriving non-White student for the opportunity to improve their education.

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Anonymous wrote:So the lottery is racist? If so, who is responsible? Who decided to use a lottery system?

The lottery outcomes certainly look racially biased to me if they are depriving non-White student for the opportunity to improve their education.

So why don’t the Mayor and the Chancellor fix that?

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Anonymous wrote:So the lottery is racist? If so, who is responsible? Who decided to use a lottery system?

The lottery outcomes certainly look racially biased to me if they are depriving non-White student for the opportunity to improve their education.

So why don’t the Mayor and the Chancellor fix that?

Maybe because influential White people, like the author, like it this way.

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If the processes that lead to Wilson being significantly more white than the rest of DCPS are racist, then the processes that lead Latin and BASIS to have equally high percentage of white students is also racists.

In one case it’s a legacy and present of racist housing policies. In the other case it a system that is set and designed to exclude all except the most savvy.

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Anonymous wrote:So the lottery is racist? If so, who is responsible? Who decided to use a lottery system?

The lottery outcomes certainly look racially biased to me if they are depriving non-White student for the opportunity to improve their education.

So why don’t the Mayor and the Chancellor fix that?

Maybe because influential White people, like the author, like it this way.

Yes, I think this author carries a lot of weigh with DC govt. lol. This city has a Black mayor and a Black chancellor and many, many Black admins and principals. If the lottery is racist, why don’t they do something about it?

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The lottery matches people with schools on their ranked lists! That’s the whole point of the lottery — to let people have preferences!

If more Black people put Basis and Walls on their lists, their would be more Black students at Basis and Walls. If the schools don’t appeal to them, they don’t put them on their lists. It’s a feature, not a bug!

I know some charter schools do targeted outreach in effort to get more students from underrepresented groups to include them on their lists. But marketing alone can’t make someone like a school if they don’t like it’s approach.

Montessori, for example, doesn’t appeal to all demographics equally. Does that make Montessori bad? Or great for the people who think it’s great.

It’s about choice. Maybe if your communist you can argue that no should get choice because difference = bad, but then it’s the charter system that is “racist,” not the lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:If the processes that lead to Wilson being significantly more white than the rest of DCPS are racist, then the processes that lead Latin and BASIS to have equally high percentage of white students is also racists.

In one case it’s a legacy and present of racist housing policies. In the other case it a system that is set and designed to exclude all except the most savvy.

Designed by whom?

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I am so glad to hear you all on this thread are on favor of an at-risk lottery preference!!!!!

... Or... just me?

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Anonymous wrote:I am so glad to hear you all on this thread are on favor of an at-risk lottery preference!!!!!

... Or... just me?

I have promoted it more than once. For charters too.

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Anonymous wrote:If the processes that lead to Wilson being significantly more white than the rest of DCPS are racist, then the processes that lead Latin and BASIS to have equally high percentage of white students is also racists.

In one case it’s a legacy and present of racist housing policies. In the other case it a system that is set and designed to exclude all except the most savvy.

I think this is probably correct. Within white supremacist culture, it's really not enough to just throw up your hands and say "Black families aren't ranking BASIS and Latin. I guess that's their loss."

It begs the question of WHY Black families aren't ranking Basis and Latin. Are the instructions not reaching those communities? Do the schools have a reputation for being unwelcoming for Black children? Are there other systemic barriers, such as the location of the schools away from public transportation?

If white parents care about meaningful integration, they really ought to be asking these questions.

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Anonymous wrote:So the lottery is racist? If so, who is responsible? Who decided to use a lottery system?

Random chance clearly has a racial bias

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the processes that lead to Wilson being significantly more white than the rest of DCPS are racist, then the processes that lead Latin and BASIS to have equally high percentage of white students is also racists.

In one case it’s a legacy and present of racist housing policies. In the other case it a system that is set and designed to exclude all except the most savvy.

I think this is probably correct. Within white supremacist culture, it's really not enough to just throw up your hands and say "Black families aren't ranking BASIS and Latin. I guess that's their loss."

It begs the question of WHY Black families aren't ranking Basis and Latin. Are the instructions not reaching those communities? Do the schools have a reputation for being unwelcoming for Black children? Are there other systemic barriers, such as the location of the schools away from public transportation?

If white parents care about meaningful integration, they really ought to be asking these questions.

If people want to get their kids educated, people will get their kids educated.

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Anonymous wrote:So the lottery is racist? If so, who is responsible? Who decided to use a lottery system?

Random chance clearly has a racial bias

I think it’s funny to be lectured to by people on this forum, probably most white middle or upper class people, about how racist they are to use their brains to pick the good schools in the dc lottery, objectively based on test scores and the probability that the school will prepare child to go to college, when they themselves probably have their children in private school or a “good” public school. Like it’s comically stupid to listen the woke scolding of hypocrites. It’s so easy for you to pontificate on racial equity when you yourselves do the same fking thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The lottery matches people with schools on their ranked lists! That’s the whole point of the lottery — to let people have preferences!

If more Black people put Basis and Walls on their lists, their would be more Black students at Basis and Walls. If the schools don’t appeal to them, they don’t put them on their lists. It’s a feature, not a bug!

I know some charter schools do targeted outreach in effort to get more students from underrepresented groups to include them on their lists. But marketing alone can’t make someone like a school if they don’t like it’s approach.

Montessori, for example, doesn’t appeal to all demographics equally. Does that make Montessori bad? Or great for the people who think it’s great.

It’s about choice. Maybe if your communist you can argue that no should get choice because difference = bad, but then it’s the charter system that is “racist,” not the lottery.

More Black people are not putting Basis and Walls on their list because they don't feel welcome there and why not? The system nurtures racism.

And there is definitely some pervasive racism within the community at these schools and this is obvious by the segregation it supports.