In DC: "White Parents Horrified by George Floyd Video Still Go to Great Lengths..."

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

I’m not going to name schools here, but there are schools with no 4s or 5s in PARCC for math, in particular. Whether you send your kid to a school with no, or almost no, kids on grade level is a real question for DC parents, including for parents whose kids are not on grade level. That’s why this is so hard.

Interesting that you think standardized testing, which has proven to be a poor measure time and time again is an indication of a child actually knowing a skill.

+100. Parents constantly cite test scores for schools. It absurd and reflects only parental income.

Actually, it reflects whether the test takers can answer questions correctly.

Actually it reflects how well they can take a test. But I'm sure you already knew this.

The test is used as a proxy for educational attainment.

When NCLB was proposed, it received the support of a large portion of the CBC. The foundational part of NCLB is school accountability based on testing. PARCC testing is a direct result and a legal requirement of NCLB.

Leaving PARCC aside, I am curious if you could propose an alternative objective measure to assess educational attainment. I would also like to understand how you would try to use that assessment to measure attainment without some form of standardization.

Standardized testing by itself isn’t the devil if the questions are culturally inclusive. However, parcc disrupts my Dcps middle school for 6 straight weeks. The SAT matters far more and can be taken in a morning. Why must PARCC take 7-8 days per kid?

You failed to answer my question, but I am curious wow you would propose that a standardized math test be more culturally inclusive?

When the math questions are about high and low tide or the angle of a ski slope, not all kids will be able to process that in the same way if they’ve not experienced it themselves. And I do support shorter standardized tests, just ones that take a day or two rather than multiple weeks.

Lol what? I’m quite and have never skied nor had I been to the beach until I was 16. I am good at test taking. I agree tests need to be reconfigured and biases removed, but these examples are not them.

I don’t think the PARCC is biased. I do think the amount of time they take is excessive, and they incentivize teaching to the test. But overall they are an important way to measure how kids and schools are doing. The fact that some DCPS HS have 0% math passing - and only a handful of 3s even! - is really atrocious. It indicates that the school as a whole is so lost that they have given up even pretending that they are teaching math, at all. So much so that they don’t even bother to try to get anyone to pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

I’m not going to name schools here, but there are schools with no 4s or 5s in PARCC for math, in particular. Whether you send your kid to a school with no, or almost no, kids on grade level is a real question for DC parents, including for parents whose kids are not on grade level. That’s why this is so hard.

Interesting that you think standardized testing, which has proven to be a poor measure time and time again is an indication of a child actually knowing a skill.

+100. Parents constantly cite test scores for schools. It absurd and reflects only parental income.

Actually, it reflects whether the test takers can answer questions correctly.

Actually it reflects how well they can take a test. But I'm sure you already knew this.

The test is used as a proxy for educational attainment.

When NCLB was proposed, it received the support of a large portion of the CBC. The foundational part of NCLB is school accountability based on testing. PARCC testing is a direct result and a legal requirement of NCLB.

Leaving PARCC aside, I am curious if you could propose an alternative objective measure to assess educational attainment. I would also like to understand how you would try to use that assessment to measure attainment without some form of standardization.

Standardized testing by itself isn’t the devil if the questions are culturally inclusive. However, parcc disrupts my Dcps middle school for 6 straight weeks. The SAT matters far more and can be taken in a morning. Why must PARCC take 7-8 days per kid?

You failed to answer my question, but I am curious wow you would propose that a standardized math test be more culturally inclusive?

When the math questions are about high and low tide or the angle of a ski slope, not all kids will be able to process that in the same way if they’ve not experienced it themselves. And I do support shorter standardized tests, just ones that take a day or two rather than multiple weeks.

And yet, low SES immigrants from China or Nigeria who've never skied or been to the shore outscore native-born whites. Explain that please.

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Anonymous wrote:One of my favorite things in DC is woke white people who think they are practically battling the KKK when they are criticizing....where people send their kids to school?

It's like they all want to pretend they are Medgar Evers but without any of the risks. They are extremely low stakes freedom fighters. (And, yes, I know these people have no clue who Medgar Evers was).

The lowest of stakes

LARPing.

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People pretending to be activists

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

I’m not going to name schools here, but there are schools with no 4s or 5s in PARCC for math, in particular. Whether you send your kid to a school with no, or almost no, kids on grade level is a real question for DC parents, including for parents whose kids are not on grade level. That’s why this is so hard.

Interesting that you think standardized testing, which has proven to be a poor measure time and time again is an indication of a child actually knowing a skill.

+100. Parents constantly cite test scores for schools. It absurd and reflects only parental income.

Actually, it reflects whether the test takers can answer questions correctly.

Actually it reflects how well they can take a test. But I'm sure you already knew this.

The test is used as a proxy for educational attainment.

When NCLB was proposed, it received the support of a large portion of the CBC. The foundational part of NCLB is school accountability based on testing. PARCC testing is a direct result and a legal requirement of NCLB.

Leaving PARCC aside, I am curious if you could propose an alternative objective measure to assess educational attainment. I would also like to understand how you would try to use that assessment to measure attainment without some form of standardization.

Standardized testing by itself isn’t the devil if the questions are culturally inclusive. However, parcc disrupts my Dcps middle school for 6 straight weeks. The SAT matters far more and can be taken in a morning. Why must PARCC take 7-8 days per kid?

You failed to answer my question, but I am curious wow you would propose that a standardized math test be more culturally inclusive?

When the math questions are about high and low tide or the angle of a ski slope, not all kids will be able to process that in the same way if they’ve not experienced it themselves. And I do support shorter standardized tests, just ones that take a day or two rather than multiple weeks.

It's so unfair to children from Florida! How are they supposed to even know what snow is?

Honestly, this discussion is hilarious. This is from college freshman sh*t. People looking for ways to be offended, and making mountains out of molehills.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

I’m not going to name schools here, but there are schools with no 4s or 5s in PARCC for math, in particular. Whether you send your kid to a school with no, or almost no, kids on grade level is a real question for DC parents, including for parents whose kids are not on grade level. That’s why this is so hard.

Interesting that you think standardized testing, which has proven to be a poor measure time and time again is an indication of a child actually knowing a skill.

+100. Parents constantly cite test scores for schools. It absurd and reflects only parental income.

Actually, it reflects whether the test takers can answer questions correctly.

Actually it reflects how well they can take a test. But I'm sure you already knew this.

The test is used as a proxy for educational attainment.

When NCLB was proposed, it received the support of a large portion of the CBC. The foundational part of NCLB is school accountability based on testing. PARCC testing is a direct result and a legal requirement of NCLB.

Leaving PARCC aside, I am curious if you could propose an alternative objective measure to assess educational attainment. I would also like to understand how you would try to use that assessment to measure attainment without some form of standardization.

Standardized testing by itself isn’t the devil if the questions are culturally inclusive. However, parcc disrupts my Dcps middle school for 6 straight weeks. The SAT matters far more and can be taken in a morning. Why must PARCC take 7-8 days per kid?

You failed to answer my question, but I am curious wow you would propose that a standardized math test be more culturally inclusive?

When the math questions are about high and low tide or the angle of a ski slope, not all kids will be able to process that in the same way if they’ve not experienced it themselves. And I do support shorter standardized tests, just ones that take a day or two rather than multiple weeks.

Lol what? I’m quite and have never skied nor had I been to the beach until I was 16. I am good at test taking. I agree tests need to be reconfigured and biases removed, but these examples are not them.

I don’t think the PARCC is biased. I do think the amount of time they take is excessive, and they incentivize teaching to the test. But overall they are an important way to measure how kids and schools are doing. The fact that some DCPS HS have 0% math passing - and only a handful of 3s even! - is really atrocious. It indicates that the school as a whole is so lost that they have given up even pretending that they are teaching math, at all. So much so that they don’t even bother to try to get anyone to pass.

Part of the problem is who they are testing. They only test in 9th and 10th grade in high school and not the kids that are taking the most advanced math so they do not test the strongest math students. My child took geometry in 8th grade, she would not be tested on math in high school as they only test up to algebra I and geometry.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

I’m not going to name schools here, but there are schools with no 4s or 5s in PARCC for math, in particular. Whether you send your kid to a school with no, or almost no, kids on grade level is a real question for DC parents, including for parents whose kids are not on grade level. That’s why this is so hard.

Interesting that you think standardized testing, which has proven to be a poor measure time and time again is an indication of a child actually knowing a skill.

+100. Parents constantly cite test scores for schools. It absurd and reflects only parental income.

Actually, it reflects whether the test takers can answer questions correctly.

Actually it reflects how well they can take a test. But I'm sure you already knew this.

The test is used as a proxy for educational attainment.

When NCLB was proposed, it received the support of a large portion of the CBC. The foundational part of NCLB is school accountability based on testing. PARCC testing is a direct result and a legal requirement of NCLB.

Leaving PARCC aside, I am curious if you could propose an alternative objective measure to assess educational attainment. I would also like to understand how you would try to use that assessment to measure attainment without some form of standardization.

Standardized testing by itself isn’t the devil if the questions are culturally inclusive. However, parcc disrupts my Dcps middle school for 6 straight weeks. The SAT matters far more and can be taken in a morning. Why must PARCC take 7-8 days per kid?

You failed to answer my question, but I am curious wow you would propose that a standardized math test be more culturally inclusive?

When the math questions are about high and low tide or the angle of a ski slope, not all kids will be able to process that in the same way if they’ve not experienced it themselves. And I do support shorter standardized tests, just ones that take a day or two rather than multiple weeks.

Lol what? I’m quite and have never skied nor had I been to the beach until I was 16. I am good at test taking. I agree tests need to be reconfigured and biases removed, but these examples are not them.

I don’t think the PARCC is biased. I do think the amount of time they take is excessive, and they incentivize teaching to the test. But overall they are an important way to measure how kids and schools are doing. The fact that some DCPS HS have 0% math passing - and only a handful of 3s even! - is really atrocious. It indicates that the school as a whole is so lost that they have given up even pretending that they are teaching math, at all. So much so that they don’t even bother to try to get anyone to pass.

Part of the problem is who they are testing. They only test in 9th and 10th grade in high school and not the kids that are taking the most advanced math so they do not test the strongest math students. My child took geometry in 8th grade, she would not be tested on math in high school as they only test up to algebra I and geometry.

Why would they need to test after 10th grade? In 11th they have the PSAT and then the biggest test of all, graduation. Don’t need to test seniors when the only metric of concern is whether they graduate or not.

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Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

Ok well then you need to look harder because our zoned HS has O% of kids on grade level in math. Will you send your child there? How about instead of using lazy stereotypes about white women, you ask why those schools are failing black kids.

Perhaps SOME white women shouldn't be such toads then and it's also not a stereotype. It is the truth about some white women and honestly white men too but thanks for trying. And how would you know, because of the excellent measurement abilities of standardized testing?

Why don't you ask yourself if it's the school or DC failing low SES families? I know perhaps as a white woman you don't know that low SES children, especially children who are not white, start out disadvantaged because their parents read to them less (among many other things) and do not get to help bolster their development as much as the middle class and rich can.
Then there is the issue of KEEPING good teachers at these schools, it's so much easier to work at a non-title 1 school. Parents can be a pain in the bum but NOT because they can't help make the school to home connection. Parents are a child's first teacher, so what do you do if that first teacher doesn't have the resources to be a decent teacher?



I'm not saying all white parents should send their kids to these schools but why won't don't you lobby as hard as you do to open new little W3 schools for title 1 schools to have more supports?
By support I mean, every school has 1 social worker and 1 counselor, at a minimum. Every school has a school librarian. Every school has a reading and math intervention specialist.
Every teacher has 1 paraprofessional. These are tangible things that would help these schools but nope the only ones who lobby for this are some W7 & 8 parents who go ignored and the WTU who's now the 'devil's spawn.'

Please enlighten us white people with information regarding all the lobbying efforts you have made on your children’s behalf to obtain the resources you need mention above. I have no doubt that if Title 1 parents came together and protested regarding lack of resources - it would be all over the news. Do consider utilizing the current political climate to better schools.

I have done plenty, I recently got a 10k grant for my school, as well as new computers pre-covid, and I am active in any protests that I can attend. I also teach self-contained students of color and am very active in the special education community and educate parents about the over-diagnosing and placement of students of color in self-contained rooms.
And no, the protests really don't actually make the news, no one gives AF.

But continue looking to POC to have to educate you, I don't know if you're just old AF or lazy but there's tons of information available online. Stop putting the burden to educate you on random POC and your POC friends.

Believe it or not you would find universal support if you put the hatred of white women aside and focused on children. As to your comments - rest assured, I have plenty of education. But thanks. And no, I will not be digging online as my plate is full. Some facts: DC was just handed an enormous amount of federal money to make schools better - and I hope that your child’s school gets the things you mention. Truly. Know that your argument is not with the white women you clearly resent - but with the Bowser, Ferebee and the gang. These folks have the power to change and always have - they did and do nothing. I also hope to hear the POC moms protested and asked for more from education officials. That might change things.

Or you could put your fake white tears and ego aside.

+1 That PP sounds plenty focused on children. And exactly right that she owes W3 parents exactly none of her time.

Your ugly response sums it all up. Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

Agree. I really think the issue is also they really have no idea and then either get into defensive mode or white guilt mode.
Why must we talk about your feelings when the issue isn't about your feelings and why does that translate to 'white people don't matter or are evil?'

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Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

Agree. I really think the issue is also they really have no idea and then either get into defensive mode or white guilt mode.
Why must we talk about your feelings when the issue isn't about your feelings and why does that translate to 'white people don't matter or are evil?'

except it is about white people’s feelings. this entire thread is about white peoples’ feelings. why don’t you take a page from your own book an “decenter” white people, and start focusing on why schools are failing black kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. There are a whole lot of hypocrites on this website that's for sure.

+1. I find it so funny that they are so defensive about their hypocrisy. Yes, dear, you purchased a 1.2 million dollar, 1,000 sq ft home in upper NW “for the schools”. We all know what you mean. But, hey, you went to a BLM protest and have a little sign in your yard.

Exactly. That’s the point. Nice white liberal parents that get offended when they get called out on their inconsistencies

Do you send your child to a school where literally none of the kids are on grade level?

You're such a toad, I haven't seen a single school where NONE of the kids are on grade level. Oh and that's what differentiated instruction is for. duh. But that would make mini Karen's IQ go down if she was near the poors.

I’m not going to name schools here, but there are schools with no 4s or 5s in PARCC for math, in particular. Whether you send your kid to a school with no, or almost no, kids on grade level is a real question for DC parents, including for parents whose kids are not on grade level. That’s why this is so hard.

Interesting that you think standardized testing, which has proven to be a poor measure time and time again is an indication of a child actually knowing a skill.

It may not be the be all and end all, but PARCC performance is a metric. And if you don't like test scores, how about chronic absenteeism? You are going to have a tough time performing anywhere near grade level if you are not in class 1/3 or more of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

PP here. Despite your pre-judgment of me I’m actually Black and grew up getting my food from the food bank. I really do wish that my road could have been a lot easier and a big part of that would have been what my parents could have done to help me. But like many kids in my neighborhood, I grew up relatively unsupervised. What I have learned through my life journey is that to actually make it out of a less than ideal situation requires hard, sustained and dedicated effort. I liken it to rockets reaching orbit, to reach that escape velocity requires tremendous amounts of energy. It’s really hard to do unless you have booster rockets. The amount of energy and dedication required can be overwhelming at times, particularly if you are trying to do it alone. The reason immigrants can do it is because the ones I know look at their lives as inter-generational. A parent sacrificing literally every to provide that boost for their kids to make it into orbit. The trick is that once you are there, it’s not so hard to move around. I consider myself lucky. Very few people go from where I started to where I have ended up. I am not leaving that same chance to my kids and I am also personally adopting an inter-generational view of sacrificing everything for them. If people don’t want to hear truth that Black parents are not helping their kids enough, then I don’t know what to tell you that can help you to understand or believe to know what it takes to be successful. Everyone will listen to Kobe Bryant or whoever talk about their single minded dedication to achieve their goal and nod their heads. But seldom do people consider that approach and apply it learning. So believe what you want, but I can personally tell you that there is no easy way. It’s all hard work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

PP here. Despite your pre-judgment of me I’m actually Black and grew up getting my food from the food bank. I really do wish that my road could have been a lot easier and a big part of that would have been what my parents could have done to help me. But like many kids in my neighborhood, I grew up relatively unsupervised. What I have learned through my life journey is that to actually make it out of a less than ideal situation requires hard, sustained and dedicated effort. I liken it to rockets reaching orbit, to reach that escape velocity requires tremendous amounts of energy. It’s really hard to do unless you have booster rockets. The amount of energy and dedication required can be overwhelming at times, particularly if you are trying to do it alone. The reason immigrants can do it is because the ones I know look at their lives as inter-generational. A parent sacrificing literally every to provide that boost for their kids to make it into orbit. The trick is that once you are there, it’s not so hard to move around. I consider myself lucky. Very few people go from where I started to where I have ended up. I am not leaving that same chance to my kids and I am also personally adopting an inter-generational view of sacrificing everything for them. If people don’t want to hear truth that Black parents are not helping their kids enough, then I don’t know what to tell you that can help you to understand or believe to know what it takes to be successful. Everyone will listen to Kobe Bryant or whoever talk about their single minded dedication to achieve their goal and nod their heads. But seldom do people consider that approach and apply it learning. So believe what you want, but I can personally tell you that there is no easy way. It’s all hard work.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

Agree. I really think the issue is also they really have no idea and then either get into defensive mode or white guilt mode.
Why must we talk about your feelings when the issue isn't about your feelings and why does that translate to 'white people don't matter or are evil?'

except it is about white people’s feelings. this entire thread is about white peoples’ feelings. why don’t you take a page from your own book an “decenter” white people, and start focusing on why schools are failing black kids.

White tears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the parents at low performing schools just cared more, those schools would improve. How about encouraging that? Instead, this just sounds like another rehash of "white man's burden". Seriously, woke people, this has been done, and that’s where this road will lead you.

That's a bit harsh. I personally think that a lot of parents actually don't really know what to do. I think a lot of parents think that education is the schools "job", while their "job" is to feed and cloth their kids. It is the idea of education as a service provided by the state and not a lifelong process that has its own value. For kids that do well in school, education does not end when they leave school, parents are involved in homework and in providing added enrichment. My biggest problem is that somehow, parents that care about their kids education are also supposed to be guilted as "dream hoarders" for providing enrichment. Justice will not be served by making all kids ignorant, but more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success, like limiting screen time, promoting reading outside of what is assigned at school, etc.

I think everyone understands that kids that excel in sports or dance put in the work on their own time outside of practice, however somehow this same notion does not carry over to school and education for some reason.

This seems to be a great example of prime DCUM. I have no idea of PPs race or SES, but she sure sounds a lot like a lot of well meaning white liberals I know. The attitude seems to be "I'm a white person who doesn't actually know any Black people and hasn't set foot in a DCPS outside of upper NW, but I'm going to potificate about the values of people that I actually know NOTHING about, and I think that my ignorance should be listened to because of my privilege."

"more work really needs to be done to show parents in low performing schools how to model behaviors for success". FFS -- really? That's your take? It's nothing to do with parents working multiple jobs, kids living in insecure places, kids witnessing trauma, food insecurity, systemic racism or the carceral state. Parents just need to "limit screen time." Got it.

Agree. I really think the issue is also they really have no idea and then either get into defensive mode or white guilt mode.
Why must we talk about your feelings when the issue isn't about your feelings and why does that translate to 'white people don't matter or are evil?'

except it is about white people’s feelings. this entire thread is about white peoples’ feelings. why don’t you take a page from your own book an “decenter” white people, and start focusing on why schools are failing black kids.

White tears.

You don't get it. White people do not want this to be about their feelings.