Marylanders - Are you fearful that police will not be able to recruit quality candidates?

[Anonymous]

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It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

I'm not a cop. Not related to one. Not friends with any. People need to understand this situation is complex, and recruiting and retaining good police is the best way to have safer policing.

Also not a cop, and not a friend or family member of any. I agree with PP. No one wants to be a cop right now — that situation is a downward spiral. Also, your wrong about the 6 figure. Starting salary for MCPD is 52K. With 5 years prior experience, you can start at 62K. That’s not a go of money around here especially for people to shoot at you and assume you are a racist. Who needs that, for that amount of money?

If the cities and communities who don't really want policemen handling crimes find it difficult to hire enough police because of their policies and expectations, then so be it. It won't take long forcrime to take its toll. Then they can decide if worth It.

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicide is not up 300%. This is a ridiculous statement.

It is. From the budget report. Comparing the first three months of 2021 to the same period in 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicide is not up 300%. This is a ridiculous statement.

It is. From the budget report. Comparing the first three months of 2021 to the same period in 2020.

That's a foolish comparison, though. Pretty close to lying with statistics. If your statement is true, then people ought to know better than to put that kind of stuff in budget documents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicide is not up 300%. This is a ridiculous statement.

It is. From the budget report. Comparing the first three months of 2021 to the same period in 2020.

That's a foolish comparison, though. Pretty close to lying with statistics. If your statement is true, then people ought to know better than to put that kind of stuff in budget documents.

I feel like I just read a version of the meme: “ tell me you don’t know how numbers work without telling me you don’t understand how numbers work”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

You start off strong. Duante Wright was pulled over for an air freshner. An obvious pretext.

But where you get weak is when you try to tell us that safety is only for the strong. GTFO here with that.

He was pulled over for expired tags, not an air freshener. Many laws can be used as a pretext. For example, I pull you over for going 2 MPH over the speed limit. And nobody wants a bunch of speed cameras anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

Shot by a cop. Do you subtract those from the murder total since a cop did it so it must be fine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

Shot by a cop. Do you subtract those from the murder total since a cop did it so it must be fine?

Was that the man who caused two car accidents and struck the policeman with a large piece of wood?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

Shot by a cop. Do you subtract those from the murder total since a cop did it so it must be fine?

Was that the man who caused two car accidents and struck the policeman with a large piece of wood?

Nope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

Shot by a cop. Do you subtract those from the murder total since a cop did it so it must be fine?

Didn’t you know? It’s not murder if a cop kills you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

Shot by a cop. Do you subtract those from the murder total since a cop did it so it must be fine?

Didn’t you know? It’s not murder if a cop kills you.

It’s murder if “anyone”, police included , kill in self defense or defense of another. Cops are often put in that situation much more than regular people. When they act outside of that self defense, they should be charged with murder. Years ago, they often got away with it, but it’s much more common now to charge them when the use of force was actually unlawful.

[Anonymous]

*not murder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

You’re missing 2 (Takoma Park, 4/7).

Shot by a cop. Do you subtract those from the murder total since a cop did it so it must be fine?

Didn’t you know? It’s not murder if a cop kills you.

It’s murder if “anyone”, police included , kill in self defense or defense of another. Cops are often put in that situation much more than regular people. When they act outside of that self defense, they should be charged with murder. Years ago, they often got away with it, but it’s much more common now to charge them when the use of force was actually unlawful.

You sound totally ludicrous making this argument in proximity to this particular police murder.

[Anonymous]

No. Hopefully it will be a deterrent to the bad ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. Hopefully it will be a deterrent to the bad ones.

Very interesting to read posts stating that incarceration and other consequences are not deterrents for other criminals but think them to be a deterrent for policemen who commit crimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. Hopefully it will be a deterrent to the bad ones.

Very interesting to read posts stating that incarceration and other consequences are not deterrents for other criminals but think them to be a deterrent for policemen who commit crimes.

If it doesn't work, then we should do to cops as we did to everyone else and just up the enforcement. More budget to investigate, arrest and prosecute bad cops. Stiffer penalties. Mandatory minimums. Etc.

Lets do that for a couple generation and see if we can toss enough bad cops in jail so that other cops will be deterred from breaking the law. If not, then we can consider alternatives. But we cannot know unless we try this for 40 years first.