13 y.o. girl sexually assaulted in Rock Creek Park trail in Kensington earlier this evening (March9)

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Anonymous wrote:So many of these posters are so gross. The poor girl wasn’t even in the park. The posting clearly states she was on the park access route in the K-P neighborhood. There are baseball diamonds right there on the edge of the park, so she may have been coming home from sports practice. So even if this teen was doing everything right—simply walking home in her own neighborhood at dusk (not wandering around in a park at night) she still was attacked.

I’m going to amplify this post. I live very close. The girl was not in the park. She was on the access path which is basically in the neighborhood. It was just getting dark. It was a beautiful day. My kids were actually still out playing at the time in happened. My camera caught the suspect walking down the road maybe 10 minutes before the attack which suggests he got to the access point and waited for an opportunity. I hope the family doesn’t read some of the posts above.

Glad your camera got an image of the guy. Why won’t the police show it to the public? My daughter goes to school in Kensington and about a week before this horrible incident, she and a few friends were walking along a neighborhood street near Safeway and a young man exposed himself to the girls and said some vulgar things. Wonder if it is the same guy.

I glad the young woman in this incident is okay.

Hope they do make the image public and they catch the guy. Surely he will do it again.

Local residents needs to DEMAND his picture is made public. Immediately.

The rights of the man must be protected

Well, that’s a more general problem with the justice system in Montgomery County as a whole. In general, MoCo does more to protect criminals or accused criminals than it does to support victims and prosecute their crimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: some of the comments on this thread....

I used to believe “not all men” but now I firmly believe “yes all men”.

Every woman I know has been assaulted in some way. Often from men they trusted - family, friends, etc.

Throughout middle, high school, and college it was very common for males to touch females sexually. I had males stick their hands in my swimsuit at the pool and down my pants at parties. When I confronted them, they were SHOCKED that what they did was wrong.

Most of the other males I know blame women in some way. What do you expect dressed like that at a party? All he did was touch your butt, it’s not THAT traumatizing.

And every male I’ve ever known has contributed to sexual exploitation of women by consuming porn or other parts of the sex industry. These reduce women to nothing but objects to be consumed by men. I used to think it was fine since everyone is a consenting adult, but after seeing the way most sex workers are treated, I strongly believe it’s exploitation.

I’ve also seen/heard the sort of comments men I know make about women, and much of it is horrifying.

The unicorns are the men who treat women like human beings. Even rarer are those who call out other men. So yes, it’s all men.

Find a different psychiatrist. Your current one isn’t helping you work through your issues.

Omg PP - fantastic! Made me lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. It's dark at 6:45pm. Trails are unsafe.

+1.

Did the trail attack her? MEN are unsafe.

Yeah? Which men? All men? Some men? Most men? A few men?

Which men? Be specific. Generalization is for the soft-minded. Are you soft-minded?

What does that changed when you are followed by a man on a trail? Are we supposed to guess if he's one of good ones or bad ones? This violence is perpetrated exclusively by MEN. The "not all men" shit is irrelevant, it is very much a male issue. Women don't go around attacking and raping male joggers.

You sound like you may have some irrational hatred of “ALL” men. Do you have a therapist?

I don't hate men. I live with one and am the mother to one. But I've been insulted, attacked, groped, followed, objectified and discriminated against by men many times in my life starting in childhood, like a lot of women out there (most women probably). I have feared for my safety countless times and learned from young age that men are a potential danger to us. That is not what I want for generations to come. It's time we stop treating gender-based violence as some type of fatality. The fact that you think what I am saying is irrational just shows that you have no clue.

What makes “your two males” special? Don’t you worry about them attacking you or someone else?

No, you say?

Why not?

Well guess what? Most other males aren’t attacking women for the same exact reasons yours aren’t.

You don’t have two unicorns.

Look, I never said "all men". But ALL women have been made unsafe by men. And these attacks are ALWAYS perpetrated by men. Do you see a pattern? Do you want to pretend it's just human beings attacking other human beings? it's not. This violence is gender-based in nature and only goes one way. If you can't see that then I can't help you. So what's the solution. Lay the burden on women again? Enough of that.

I agree that the burden should not be on women.

What’s YOUR solution??

My teen son is getting lessons on consent in his middle school health class. That’s probably a good start. And since he was a kid, we have talked about respecting space and not touching another person (boy or girl) without permission.

However, the young man in this case probably wasn’t raised here in the US. He probably comes from a country with a different culture and differing attitudes towards women. Maybe an absent dad? What do you propose we do?

Start training boys in other countries to respect women when they come to the US? Seems like overreach. But I’d like to hear what you think should happen in this case. Or what we should have done differently to prevent this from happening. In THIS particular case.

We have to try to change the mindset. Starting with the types of comments we are seeing here. A few posters including myself have been told that we have issues simply because we are being honest about our experience as women. We must be making stuff up, right. Or maybe we didn't grow up here. Or we are men haters. So our voice is silenced or ridiculed. And everything continues unchanged.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of when there was a spate of rapes in Israel in the 1970s and politicians recommended women have a curfew to keep them safe.

And Golda Meir, the PM said: "Men are committing the rapes. Let them be put under curfew.”

Very wise.

Did they actually do it?

Could you imagine it? Just take a moment to think about how your life would be different if you could feel safe. My entire life would change if men couldn't be outside after dark. Entirely. Men are the greatest thread to public health, peace, and prosperity. And even if it's "not all men", the others just sit back and let it happen, reaping the benefits.

I take different routes home from work in the winter. I spend a ton of money on cabs and still wonder if I'll end up with a rapist taxi driver. I constantly think about protecting my belongings and body when I'm walking after dark. And often in the daytime too, as lord knows men start folliwng you at all times of the day. React wrongly to "smile, baby" and you'll get a beating or cursing.

If men were locked down after dark, the world would be a much better place.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of when there was a spate of rapes in Israel in the 1970s and politicians recommended women have a curfew to keep them safe.

And Golda Meir, the PM said: "Men are committing the rapes. Let them be put under curfew.”

Very wise.

Did they actually do it?

Could you imagine it? Just take a moment to think about how your life would be different if you could feel safe. My entire life would change if men couldn't be outside after dark. Entirely. Men are the greatest thread to public health, peace, and prosperity. And even if it's "not all men", the others just sit back and let it happen, reaping the benefits.

I take different routes home from work in the winter. I spend a ton of money on cabs and still wonder if I'll end up with a rapist taxi driver. I constantly think about protecting my belongings and body when I'm walking after dark. And often in the daytime too, as lord knows men start folliwng you at all times of the day. React wrongly to "smile, baby" and you'll get a beating or cursing.

If men were locked down after dark, the world would be a much better place.

Which is also to say that this is in America. Just imagine being a woman in Pakistan or other muslim countries.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of when there was a spate of rapes in Israel in the 1970s and politicians recommended women have a curfew to keep them safe.

And Golda Meir, the PM said: "Men are committing the rapes. Let them be put under curfew.”

Very wise.

Did they actually do it?

Could you imagine it? Just take a moment to think about how your life would be different if you could feel safe. My entire life would change if men couldn't be outside after dark. Entirely. Men are the greatest thread to public health, peace, and prosperity. And even if it's "not all men", the others just sit back and let it happen, reaping the benefits.

I take different routes home from work in the winter. I spend a ton of money on cabs and still wonder if I'll end up with a rapist taxi driver. I constantly think about protecting my belongings and body when I'm walking after dark. And often in the daytime too, as lord knows men start folliwng you at all times of the day. React wrongly to "smile, baby" and you'll get a beating or cursing.

If men were locked down after dark, the world would be a much better place.

Which is also to say that this is in America. Just imagine being a woman in Pakistan or other muslim countries.

I wouldn’t single out Muslim countries! Latin America? Asian countries? Remember that poor scientist in Greece who was there on vacation?

Really, there are plenty of places in the world that are even worse than the US for women.

[Anonymous]

I live in this neighborhood and this is horrifying.

My kids play at the park she was near, they and I routinely walk those paths.

There is a ton of misinformation circling among the kids in the neighborhood about the event also.

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my dh is over 6ft. and he feel scare sometimes walking outside. He walks at night too. It depends on the neighborhood too. He can walk in our neighborhood fine. But, he has been attacked in broad daylight around lunch time, in downtown silver spring pre-pandemic. Everyone was out and about. Crazy. So, when i make the comment, taller people are less of a target and he looks at me like, I was attacked in broad daylight! punched!

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. It's dark at 6:45pm. Trails are unsafe.

+1.

Did the trail attack her? MEN are unsafe.

Yeah? Which men? All men? Some men? Most men? A few men?

Which men? Be specific. Generalization is for the soft-minded. Are you soft-minded?

What does that changed when you are followed by a man on a trail? Are we supposed to guess if he's one of good ones or bad ones? This violence is perpetrated exclusively by MEN. The "not all men" shit is irrelevant, it is very much a male issue. Women don't go around attacking and raping male joggers.

You sound like you may have some irrational hatred of “ALL” men. Do you have a therapist?

I don't hate men. I live with one and am the mother to one. But I've been insulted, attacked, groped, followed, objectified and discriminated against by men many times in my life starting in childhood, like a lot of women out there (most women probably). I have feared for my safety countless times and learned from young age that men are a potential danger to us. That is not what I want for generations to come. It's time we stop treating gender-based violence as some type of fatality. The fact that you think what I am saying is irrational just shows that you have no clue.

What makes “your two males” special? Don’t you worry about them attacking you or someone else?

No, you say?

Why not?

Well guess what? Most other males aren’t attacking women for the same exact reasons yours aren’t.

You don’t have two unicorns.

Look, I never said "all men". But ALL women have been made unsafe by men. And these attacks are ALWAYS perpetrated by men. Do you see a pattern? Do you want to pretend it's just human beings attacking other human beings? it's not. This violence is gender-based in nature and only goes one way. If you can't see that then I can't help you. So what's the solution. Lay the burden on women again? Enough of that.

I agree that the burden should not be on women.

What’s YOUR solution??

My teen son is getting lessons on consent in his middle school health class. That’s probably a good start. And since he was a kid, we have talked about respecting space and not touching another person (boy or girl) without permission.

However, the young man in this case probably wasn’t raised here in the US. He probably comes from a country with a different culture and differing attitudes towards women. Maybe an absent dad? What do you propose we do?

Start training boys in other countries to respect women when they come to the US? Seems like overreach. But I’d like to hear what you think should happen in this case. Or what we should have done differently to prevent this from happening. In THIS particular case.

We have to try to change the mindset. Starting with the types of comments we are seeing here. A few posters including myself have been told that we have issues simply because we are being honest about our experience as women. We must be making stuff up, right. Or maybe we didn't grow up here. Or we are men haters. So our voice is silenced or ridiculed. And everything continues unchanged.

No, you’re being told you have issues because your issue is you believe literally every single male is a sexual predator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of when there was a spate of rapes in Israel in the 1970s and politicians recommended women have a curfew to keep them safe.

And Golda Meir, the PM said: "Men are committing the rapes. Let them be put under curfew.”

Very wise.

Did they actually do it?

Could you imagine it? Just take a moment to think about how your life would be different if you could feel safe. My entire life would change if men couldn't be outside after dark. Entirely. Men are the greatest thread to public health, peace, and prosperity. And even if it's "not all men", the others just sit back and let it happen, reaping the benefits.

I take different routes home from work in the winter. I spend a ton of money on cabs and still wonder if I'll end up with a rapist taxi driver. I constantly think about protecting my belongings and body when I'm walking after dark. And often in the daytime too, as lord knows men start folliwng you at all times of the day. React wrongly to "smile, baby" and you'll get a beating or cursing.

If men were locked down after dark, the world would be a much better place.

I hope you are able to get the help you need one day. And soon.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes. It's dark at 6:45pm. Trails are unsafe.

+1.

Did the trail attack her? MEN are unsafe.

Yeah? Which men? All men? Some men? Most men? A few men?

Which men? Be specific. Generalization is for the soft-minded. Are you soft-minded?

What does that changed when you are followed by a man on a trail? Are we supposed to guess if he's one of good ones or bad ones? This violence is perpetrated exclusively by MEN. The "not all men" shit is irrelevant, it is very much a male issue. Women don't go around attacking and raping male joggers.

You sound like you may have some irrational hatred of “ALL” men. Do you have a therapist?

I don't hate men. I live with one and am the mother to one. But I've been insulted, attacked, groped, followed, objectified and discriminated against by men many times in my life starting in childhood, like a lot of women out there (most women probably). I have feared for my safety countless times and learned from young age that men are a potential danger to us. That is not what I want for generations to come. It's time we stop treating gender-based violence as some type of fatality. The fact that you think what I am saying is irrational just shows that you have no clue.

What makes “your two males” special? Don’t you worry about them attacking you or someone else?

No, you say?

Why not?

Well guess what? Most other males aren’t attacking women for the same exact reasons yours aren’t.

You don’t have two unicorns.

Look, I never said "all men". But ALL women have been made unsafe by men. And these attacks are ALWAYS perpetrated by men. Do you see a pattern? Do you want to pretend it's just human beings attacking other human beings? it's not. This violence is gender-based in nature and only goes one way. If you can't see that then I can't help you. So what's the solution. Lay the burden on women again? Enough of that.

I agree that the burden should not be on women.

What’s YOUR solution??

My teen son is getting lessons on consent in his middle school health class. That’s probably a good start. And since he was a kid, we have talked about respecting space and not touching another person (boy or girl) without permission.

However, the young man in this case probably wasn’t raised here in the US. He probably comes from a country with a different culture and differing attitudes towards women. Maybe an absent dad? What do you propose we do?

Start training boys in other countries to respect women when they come to the US? Seems like overreach. But I’d like to hear what you think should happen in this case. Or what we should have done differently to prevent this from happening. In THIS particular case.

We have to try to change the mindset. Starting with the types of comments we are seeing here. A few posters including myself have been told that we have issues simply because we are being honest about our experience as women. We must be making stuff up, right. Or maybe we didn't grow up here. Or we are men haters. So our voice is silenced or ridiculed. And everything continues unchanged.

No, you’re being told you have issues because your issue is you believe literally every single male is a sexual predator.

NP. That’s not what she has said at all. Are you dense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of when there was a spate of rapes in Israel in the 1970s and politicians recommended women have a curfew to keep them safe.

And Golda Meir, the PM said: "Men are committing the rapes. Let them be put under curfew.”

Very wise.

Did they actually do it?

Could you imagine it? Just take a moment to think about how your life would be different if you could feel safe. My entire life would change if men couldn't be outside after dark. Entirely. Men are the greatest thread to public health, peace, and prosperity. And even if it's "not all men", the others just sit back and let it happen, reaping the benefits.

I take different routes home from work in the winter. I spend a ton of money on cabs and still wonder if I'll end up with a rapist taxi driver. I constantly think about protecting my belongings and body when I'm walking after dark. And often in the daytime too, as lord knows men start folliwng you at all times of the day. React wrongly to "smile, baby" and you'll get a beating or cursing.

If men were locked down after dark, the world would be a much better place.

Which is also to say that this is in America. Just imagine being a woman in Pakistan or other muslim countries.

I’m truly saddened by your paranoia. No one should live with that much fear and anxiety. Please seek help.

[Anonymous]

We have been taught that men and women are equal but they are not. Men are generally stronger and women are weaker. Those are the facts. No matter how much title 9 or the military keeps promoting women soldiers they are not judged on the same scale physically. No matter how much the women's soccer team wants equal pay why don't they compete with the men. Same with women tennis players. Because they are generally inferior and can't. Why do you think many women athletes are afraid of allowing transgender women to compete. When we go outside in the dark we have to be aware of our surroundings. I wouldn't feel safe in the middle of the inner city at night unless I was armed and anyone who is weaker than 50% of the population should be mindful of that when they are alone on an isolated road.

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Violent people are here to stay. It’s been this way since the beginning of time. It’s nice that in your utopia there is no violence. Must be a delightful place to retreat to in your head when things get tough. But this is the real world, and we have to live and act accordingly.
Would it be nice if we could walk around after dark, alone, and not fear for our safety? Absolutely.
Are we ever going to get to that point? Nope. Never.

[Anonymous]

Have they caught the perp? Are they putting plainsclothes on the path? Is this an ongoing problem/problem area?