DCPS exodus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

Exactly. Liberals are so f’d up right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

Exactly. Liberals are so f’d up right now.

But property tax pays for schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: A quarter of DC taxpayers contribute 80% of income taxes.

https://dcist.com/story/20/02/04/d-c-residents-are-richer-than-ever-audit-suggests/

Yep. And tax revenues are way down already from businesses (restaurants, etc.). Groceries aren't taxed and people did lots more cooking from home over the last year. The per student allocation is going to start going down as DCPS schools shrink. People applaud the idea that places like Wilson and Deal may end up a little less crowded. Problem is, there will be less $ for schools overall and a good chunk of UMC kids will be gone with their engaged parents with extra money to donate, etc. I know, I know. People love to hate on the wealthy and thrilled to say "don't let the door hit you." But that's just a indignant reaction without thinking how this really plays out. Simply, DCPS (the school system in the NATION'S CAPITAL FOR GOD'S SAKE!) needs to get it's shit together and have a plan for the fall and communicate that plan. If hybrid and simulcasting will likely be a reality in the fall, say that, but also demonstrate how the system is going to prepare for it. Like getting actual equipment that allows the teacher to teach standing in the classroom rather than sitting at a computer with her nose a foot away from the screen while in-person students are right there in the room too. Plan for it now! I remember posting on here in mid-March last year saying DCPS should be buying up portable, industrial grade air purifiers immediately. Who am I? Know when DCPS/DGS got around to buying them? Months later. DCPS just seems to sit around until parents crowd source ideas and they end up tricking into central office. Where are the educational professional problem solvers! Why is everything defensive instead of offensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

+1. I desperately want schools to reopen full time, 5 days per week for every student who wants it. But here's the thing: the wealthy already have their kids in private schools, and the lower classes don't advocate for decent education. It's the MC/UMC who have turned around the schools and these are the people who will be forced to suburbs and exurbs to get decent public schools. DCPS is heading towards reverting back to 1990's levels of poor quality schools. DC doesn't care about us and many teachers actually preferred teaching to a predominantly LC community. The only people who will miss us is other MC/UMC people.

Aside from the obnoxious perspective you have here about "turning around" the schools and how bad they were years ago (which wasn't really true anyway for the schools in the neighborhoods where most DCUM posters live), this just doesn't ring true. You aren't being "forced" to the suburbs to get a decent education; MCPS just opened for the time in any capacity this week, and at any rate, if you don't think MCPS has big problems of its own these days, you should talk to some Montgomery County parents or teachers.

But more to the point, the pandemic is going to end, sooner than it feels like now. And are all the people who have moved to D.C. in recent decades really going to be happy that they've moved to the suburbs once it does? I doubt it.

I think "where most DCUM posters live" is WOTP, and wouldn't be UMC or MC. We're talking EOTP and UMC or MC. I know it's convenient to shit on the rich, but for the most part the schools EOTP aren't great, but this is where the MC of DC live.

Are you trying to say there is no MC and UMC people WOTP? You are misinformed. There are plenty of families renting apartments for the schools. There are home owners, like us, who bought 10+ years ago for under 700k, and whose income is low enough to qualify for full stimulus checks. I’d call that UMC. Not everyone WOTP is rich and can afford private despite living a modest lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

+1. I desperately want schools to reopen full time, 5 days per week for every student who wants it. But here's the thing: the wealthy already have their kids in private schools, and the lower classes don't advocate for decent education. It's the MC/UMC who have turned around the schools and these are the people who will be forced to suburbs and exurbs to get decent public schools. DCPS is heading towards reverting back to 1990's levels of poor quality schools. DC doesn't care about us and many teachers actually preferred teaching to a predominantly LC community. The only people who will miss us is other MC/UMC people.

I don't agree. Your take is far too cynical for me, PP. Many people would miss an UMC exodus over schools remaining closed in this city. They would included parents all over the SES spectrum who'd see a drop in PTA funds, and the programs they support, at their DCPS, teachers who value teaching diverse classes, neighbors who are sorry to see neighbors flee sinking schools, city officials who worry that the tax base is shrinking etc. etc.

We don’t need whites to be diverse. And my school never had any pta funds so oh well.
There are schools with 100 students, not every school is an overcrowded one.
As for taxes we have people living here making way more than this group, we’ll be ok.
No one, and I mean no one will stop you from leaving. Eventually you’ll just be replaced after the pandemic settles. Just like teachers can replaced so can you. Literally you guys are ridiculous.

I do actually love this thread though, another time white people show us how some of you have your heads waaaay up where the sun doesn’t shine.

Oh yeah? Is just Blacks and Latinos diverse? Because it sure isn’t going to be Asians who are going to fill the spots at your Title 1 school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A quarter of DC taxpayers contribute 80% of income taxes.

https://dcist.com/story/20/02/04/d-c-residents-are-richer-than-ever-audit-suggests/

Yep. And tax revenues are way down already from businesses (restaurants, etc.). Groceries aren't taxed and people did lots more cooking from home over the last year. The per student allocation is going to start going down as DCPS schools shrink. People applaud the idea that places like Wilson and Deal may end up a little less crowded. Problem is, there will be less $ for schools overall and a good chunk of UMC kids will be gone with their engaged parents with extra money to donate, etc. I know, I know. People love to hate on the wealthy and thrilled to say "don't let the door hit you." But that's just a indignant reaction without thinking how this really plays out. Simply, DCPS (the school system in the NATION'S CAPITAL FOR GOD'S SAKE!) needs to get it's shit together and have a plan for the fall and communicate that plan. If hybrid and simulcasting will likely be a reality in the fall, say that, but also demonstrate how the system is going to prepare for it. Like getting actual equipment that allows the teacher to teach standing in the classroom rather than sitting at a computer with her nose a foot away from the screen while in-person students are right there in the room too. Plan for it now! I remember posting on here in mid-March last year saying DCPS should be buying up portable, industrial grade air purifiers immediately. Who am I? Know when DCPS/DGS got around to buying them? Months later. DCPS just seems to sit around until parents crowd source ideas and they end up tricking into central office. Where are the educational professional problem solvers! Why is everything defensive instead of offensive.

Tax revenue estimates from the DC Chief Financial Officer from 2/26/2021: https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/February%202021%20Revenue%20Estimate%20Letter.pdf

[Anonymous]

Well, 94% of you voted for Biden. So it’s no surprise DCPS has very low opening motivation or expectations. Man in the mirror...

[Anonymous]

man, yes, I so so wished I voted for that other guy. That would've changed things!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, 94% of you voted for Biden. So it’s no surprise DCPS has very low opening motivation or expectations. Man in the mirror...

You are not seriously suggesting that we would be in a better position to reopen with the incompetent Trump administration in charge of the vaccine rollout... And with Trump as a foil against which to stay closed just out of spite, as was the case last fall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: And EOTP schools are the ones having trouble filling their in-person seats. DCUM is really not representative of what most DC parents want.

Yeah, that's probably true. Do we actually have any data on any of this at all?

At any rate, I think with the MC you get the additional complexity of the charter schools and reopening. Since many of the DCPS EOTP are not great (or perhaps are fine up to about 3rd grade), you see a lot of the MC lotterying into charters in some sort of effort to do better than the IB schools. And the charters are a completely mixed bag about reopening. The charters are still beholden to OSSE, so the EOTP MC are still having to put pressure there (at least). And it still feels like shouting into the wind.

I know we'll have the inflammatory "shit on charters" poster coming in in a half second, here. She'll let us know that charters are racist and stuff, so again, the MC who are trying to find a decent education for their kids are not allowed to say anything.

OR we'll get the parent of kids at the few good EOTP schools....

Sigh. DC education is pointless unless you are rich.

At our EotP there are waiting lists for in-person learning for each grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

+1. I desperately want schools to reopen full time, 5 days per week for every student who wants it. But here's the thing: the wealthy already have their kids in private schools, and the lower classes don't advocate for decent education. It's the MC/UMC who have turned around the schools and these are the people who will be forced to suburbs and exurbs to get decent public schools. DCPS is heading towards reverting back to 1990's levels of poor quality schools. DC doesn't care about us and many teachers actually preferred teaching to a predominantly LC community. The only people who will miss us is other MC/UMC people.

I don't agree. Your take is far too cynical for me, PP. Many people would miss an UMC exodus over schools remaining closed in this city. They would included parents all over the SES spectrum who'd see a drop in PTA funds, and the programs they support, at their DCPS, teachers who value teaching diverse classes, neighbors who are sorry to see neighbors flee sinking schools, city officials who worry that the tax base is shrinking etc. etc.

We don’t need whites to be diverse. And my school never had any pta funds so oh well.
There are schools with 100 students, not every school is an overcrowded one.
As for taxes we have people living here making way more than this group, we’ll be ok.
No one, and I mean no one will stop you from leaving. Eventually you’ll just be replaced after the pandemic settles. Just like teachers can replaced so can you. Literally you guys are ridiculous.

I do actually love this thread though, another time white people show us how some of you have your heads waaaay up where the sun doesn’t shine.

Oh yeah? Is just Blacks and Latinos diverse? Because it sure isn’t going to be Asians who are going to fill the spots at your Title 1 school.

I’m literally saying we don’t need white people in our schools for the sake of money or diversity. They are in books, the media, movies, songs, politics, etc. You don’t need a white child beside a child who isn’t for them to get exposure.
And there is no white culture (as most don’t actually have any real European roots) for my child to learn anything from one, so no don’t care. And what part of you’ll just be replaced later did you not get?

[Anonymous]

Asian families at Title I schools raise hands.

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Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

+1. I desperately want schools to reopen full time, 5 days per week for every student who wants it. But here's the thing: the wealthy already have their kids in private schools, and the lower classes don't advocate for decent education. It's the MC/UMC who have turned around the schools and these are the people who will be forced to suburbs and exurbs to get decent public schools. DCPS is heading towards reverting back to 1990's levels of poor quality schools. DC doesn't care about us and many teachers actually preferred teaching to a predominantly LC community. The only people who will miss us is other MC/UMC people.

I don't agree. Your take is far too cynical for me, PP. Many people would miss an UMC exodus over schools remaining closed in this city. They would included parents all over the SES spectrum who'd see a drop in PTA funds, and the programs they support, at their DCPS, teachers who value teaching diverse classes, neighbors who are sorry to see neighbors flee sinking schools, city officials who worry that the tax base is shrinking etc. etc.

We don’t need whites to be diverse. And my school never had any pta funds so oh well.
There are schools with 100 students, not every school is an overcrowded one.
As for taxes we have people living here making way more than this group, we’ll be ok.
No one, and I mean no one will stop you from leaving. Eventually you’ll just be replaced after the pandemic settles. Just like teachers can replaced so can you. Literally you guys are ridiculous.

I do actually love this thread though, another time white people show us how some of you have your heads waaaay up where the sun doesn’t shine.

Oh yeah? Is just Blacks and Latinos diverse? Because it sure isn’t going to be Asians who are going to fill the spots at your Title 1 school.

I’m literally saying we don’t need white people in our schools for the sake of money or diversity. They are in books, the media, movies, songs, politics, etc. You don’t need a white child beside a child who isn’t for them to get exposure.
And there is no white culture (as most don’t actually have any real European roots) for my child to learn anything from one, so no don’t care. And what part of you’ll just be replaced later did you not get?

I said nothing about nobody replacing white people who leave. I’m also not leaving. Are you responding to someone else, or do you just lack reading comprehension?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian families at Title I schools raise hands.

DC doesn’t have many Asian people. I am one of them, my child meets most of her Asian friends from outside school activities. Not sure if this was meant to be facetious or not.

My children don’t go to a title 1 but mostly because our IB school is not a title 1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The actually really rich people in DC already send their children to expensive private schools. Surveys show that the lower-income people don't want to send their students in person. So this issue largely affects the middle class and upper middle class people. Do those people have any political clout, do their tax dollars matter? I'm not sure, but there does seem to be a tipping point, especially now that people cannot responsibly call those in favor of open schools "teacher killers" since teachers (unlike most parents) have access currently to the highly effective vaccines.

Well, the UMC and MC do contribute the most to the income tax totals. According to the above posted link. So one would think their tax dollars do matter. It is convenient, though, to suggest that their desire to have their kids in person in public school is racist. That means they can't advocate for themselves in this highly Dem city.

+1. I desperately want schools to reopen full time, 5 days per week for every student who wants it. But here's the thing: the wealthy already have their kids in private schools, and the lower classes don't advocate for decent education. It's the MC/UMC who have turned around the schools and these are the people who will be forced to suburbs and exurbs to get decent public schools. DCPS is heading towards reverting back to 1990's levels of poor quality schools. DC doesn't care about us and many teachers actually preferred teaching to a predominantly LC community. The only people who will miss us is other MC/UMC people.

I don't agree. Your take is far too cynical for me, PP. Many people would miss an UMC exodus over schools remaining closed in this city. They would included parents all over the SES spectrum who'd see a drop in PTA funds, and the programs they support, at their DCPS, teachers who value teaching diverse classes, neighbors who are sorry to see neighbors flee sinking schools, city officials who worry that the tax base is shrinking etc. etc.

We don’t need whites to be diverse. And my school never had any pta funds so oh well.
There are schools with 100 students, not every school is an overcrowded one.
As for taxes we have people living here making way more than this group, we’ll be ok.
No one, and I mean no one will stop you from leaving. Eventually you’ll just be replaced after the pandemic settles. Just like teachers can replaced so can you. Literally you guys are ridiculous.

I do actually love this thread though, another time white people show us how some of you have your heads waaaay up where the sun doesn’t shine.

Oh yeah? Is just Blacks and Latinos diverse? Because it sure isn’t going to be Asians who are going to fill the spots at your Title 1 school.

I’m literally saying we don’t need white people in our schools for the sake of money or diversity. They are in books, the media, movies, songs, politics, etc. You don’t need a white child beside a child who isn’t for them to get exposure.
And there is no white culture (as most don’t actually have any real European roots) for my child to learn anything from one, so no don’t care. And what part of you’ll just be replaced later did you not get?

I said nothing about nobody replacing white people who leave. I’m also not leaving. Are you responding to someone else, or do you just lack reading comprehension?

No sweetie, I said that and I’ll continue to say it. Only whites care about whites leaving. And probably the money hungry mayor.