Hot-mic moment captures how some educators really feel

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Anonymous wrote:Have to say, parents totally deserve it this year, and plenty of other years for many reasons. Fully empathize.

Sorry- not sorry.

X1000

Same.

Ya’ll were all ‘parenting is amazing’ and ‘the childless are missing pieces of their soul’ when you literally didn’t have to deal with your own kids for 70% of the week’s waking hours.

Now you’ve been drowning for a year - you see the light.

This!

I truly do not understand this argument. The teachers were teaching and supervising as their one job. Now parents are required to teach/supervise AND do their regular job. (If child is SN, you may have had to quit your job because this scenario is literally impossible.) You are comparing a teacher doing one job to a parent doing two, and then saying "see, told you it was hard!". Very strange argument.

Agreed. It's unfortunate that some parents (or trolls) feel the need to demean teachers online. Most of us have just been trying to get by with the situation and it's not fair to generalize.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear teacher who refers to students as "Hispanic," let me explain to you why you should refer to us as Latino/a. I'm about to do some emotional labor here, which I'm 99% sure you're going to ignore because you think your familiarity with us gives you some kind of authority.

Hispanic and Latino are often conflated. They are not the same. Hispanic refers to the language and Latino refers to the culture. If you have indigenous students in your classes (and if you have any from central America, you almost certainly do), these are Latinos, not Hispanics. Some of them may even speak Spanish, as is common in Guatemala, but that's the language of the colonizers. Brazilians are Latinos, not Hispanics. I can go on. This is just like how we don't call all Alaska Natives "Inuit" anymore.

Aside from mislabeling people with a moniker that refers to a particular language, "Hispanic" also refers to the colonizing culture. Many Latinos find it offensive for this reason.

I'm not going to get into Latinx. I don't understand it.

I get you. I use the word “Latino” but my Latino students never do. They refer to themselves as Hispanic. You would need to give them this lecture.

As does my sil from Mexico City. She laughed at me when I used the word Latina.

DP and I think it's confusing because whenever you fill out demographic forms, they ask if you are "Hispanic" or "White, non-Hispanic", or other races.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have to say, parents totally deserve it this year, and plenty of other years for many reasons. Fully empathize.

Sorry- not sorry.

X1000

Same.

Ya’ll were all ‘parenting is amazing’ and ‘the childless are missing pieces of their soul’ when you literally didn’t have to deal with your own kids for 70% of the week’s waking hours.

Now you’ve been drowning for a year - you see the light.

The mask is really off with you people. You hate women, particularly mothers, and you’re not trying to hide it anymore.

No one believes for a second that any mom ever said that nonsense to your enlightened child-free self, btw, so stop embarrassing yourself. Just come out and say you hate mothers so we can have an honest conversation.

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The mask that is truly off is that of the misogynists and racists.

Anyone defending the school board here -- who have all resigned, as they should have -- is a racist or misogynist or both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They all resigned!

https://ktla.com/news/california/entire-bay-area-school-board-resigns-after-making-disparaging-comments-about-parents-without-realizing-meeting-was-being-broadcast/

Good riddance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear teacher who refers to students as "Hispanic," let me explain to you why you should refer to us as Latino/a. I'm about to do some emotional labor here, which I'm 99% sure you're going to ignore because you think your familiarity with us gives you some kind of authority.

Hispanic and Latino are often conflated. They are not the same. Hispanic refers to the language and Latino refers to the culture. If you have indigenous students in your classes (and if you have any from central America, you almost certainly do), these are Latinos, not Hispanics. Some of them may even speak Spanish, as is common in Guatemala, but that's the language of the colonizers. Brazilians are Latinos, not Hispanics. I can go on. This is just like how we don't call all Alaska Natives "Inuit" anymore.

Aside from mislabeling people with a moniker that refers to a particular language, "Hispanic" also refers to the colonizing culture. Many Latinos find it offensive for this reason.

I'm not going to get into Latinx. I don't understand it.

I get you. I use the word “Latino” but my Latino students never do. They refer to themselves as Hispanic. You would need to give them this lecture.

As does my sil from Mexico City. She laughed at me when I used the word Latina.

DP and I think it's confusing because whenever you fill out demographic forms, they ask if you are "Hispanic" or "White, non-Hispanic", or other races.

It’s really weird to see a bunch of white ladies discuss whether a Latina is right about the word she uses to refer to herself. You people probably would have argued about whether you could still use the N word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear teacher who refers to students as "Hispanic," let me explain to you why you should refer to us as Latino/a. I'm about to do some emotional labor here, which I'm 99% sure you're going to ignore because you think your familiarity with us gives you some kind of authority.

Hispanic and Latino are often conflated. They are not the same. Hispanic refers to the language and Latino refers to the culture. If you have indigenous students in your classes (and if you have any from central America, you almost certainly do), these are Latinos, not Hispanics. Some of them may even speak Spanish, as is common in Guatemala, but that's the language of the colonizers. Brazilians are Latinos, not Hispanics. I can go on. This is just like how we don't call all Alaska Natives "Inuit" anymore.

Aside from mislabeling people with a moniker that refers to a particular language, "Hispanic" also refers to the colonizing culture. Many Latinos find it offensive for this reason.

I'm not going to get into Latinx. I don't understand it.

I get you. I use the word “Latino” but my Latino students never do. They refer to themselves as Hispanic. You would need to give them this lecture.

As does my sil from Mexico City. She laughed at me when I used the word Latina.

DP and I think it's confusing because whenever you fill out demographic forms, they ask if you are "Hispanic" or "White, non-Hispanic", or other races.

It’s really weird to see a bunch of white ladies discuss whether a Latina is right about the word she uses to refer to herself. You people probably would have argued about whether you could still use the N word.

Right? Like, damn. Learn a lesson and move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear teacher who refers to students as "Hispanic," let me explain to you why you should refer to us as Latino/a. I'm about to do some emotional labor here, which I'm 99% sure you're going to ignore because you think your familiarity with us gives you some kind of authority.

Hispanic and Latino are often conflated. They are not the same. Hispanic refers to the language and Latino refers to the culture. If you have indigenous students in your classes (and if you have any from central America, you almost certainly do), these are Latinos, not Hispanics. Some of them may even speak Spanish, as is common in Guatemala, but that's the language of the colonizers. Brazilians are Latinos, not Hispanics. I can go on. This is just like how we don't call all Alaska Natives "Inuit" anymore.

Aside from mislabeling people with a moniker that refers to a particular language, "Hispanic" also refers to the colonizing culture. Many Latinos find it offensive for this reason.

I'm not going to get into Latinx. I don't understand it.

I get you. I use the word “Latino” but my Latino students never do. They refer to themselves as Hispanic. You would need to give them this lecture.

As does my sil from Mexico City. She laughed at me when I used the word Latina.

DP and I think it's confusing because whenever you fill out demographic forms, they ask if you are "Hispanic" or "White, non-Hispanic", or other races.

It’s really weird to see a bunch of white ladies discuss whether a Latina is right about the word she uses to refer to herself. You people probably would have argued about whether you could still use the N word.

Right? Like, damn. Learn a lesson and move on.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not one of them looked professional or spoke intelligently or presented themselves as a competent adult. Really troubling to see recording but suspect it happens everywhere.

+1 million. Whenever I see or hear things like this, my first thought is that there are thousands more instances we will never have proof of happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not one of them looked professional or spoke intelligently or presented themselves as a competent adult. Really troubling to see recording but suspect it happens everywhere.

+1 million. Whenever I see or hear things like this, my first thought is that there are thousands more instances we will never have proof of happening.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you okay with low-income Latinos?

The derision that white teachers have for their Black and Latino students is awful, especially when they are also exploiting those families in their efforts to continue to block the families' access to education. It is horrific.

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These are the same teachers who are arguing that they shouldn’t go back into school because POC prefer in-person (but not all!) I notice they erase the ones who DO want to be in person. Treating them with disrespect, outright racism and some paternalism seems to be what these teachers are doing. They can’t even be bothered to use culturally competent language.

That is so easy to do. So easy. Just say Latino. And yet here, even this one thing is a step too far. It’s clear these people are the ones using POC families to get what they want.

I feel so bad for the kids they teach.

Sorry, what are you even talking about? What are you referring to? The school board’s comments about parents? Or do you have some additional verifiable source where there are teachers talking about Latino students? Because that isn’t what happened here.

The teachers in this thread talking about their Latino students. Also, the white teacher who was on the board talking about the mostly Latino families.

Do you think we can't see that teachers unions are overwhelmingly white women? Do you think we are blind?

??? DP. I don't think you're blind as much as ignorant about how life works. Who, or I guess what, exactly, do you think most teachers are? White women. If you want other teachers and leaders, people who are males of color or females of color, then they need to go to become certified as teachers and teach. Until that starts to happen, the teaching profession will continue to be dominated by white women. Your ire is misplaced. Instead of blasting the people who are doing it, you should be kicking butts to get people of color to choose education as a major or to do a career switch into teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear teacher who refers to students as "Hispanic," let me explain to you why you should refer to us as Latino/a. I'm about to do some emotional labor here, which I'm 99% sure you're going to ignore because you think your familiarity with us gives you some kind of authority.

Hispanic and Latino are often conflated. They are not the same. Hispanic refers to the language and Latino refers to the culture. If you have indigenous students in your classes (and if you have any from central America, you almost certainly do), these are Latinos, not Hispanics. Some of them may even speak Spanish, as is common in Guatemala, but that's the language of the colonizers. Brazilians are Latinos, not Hispanics. I can go on. This is just like how we don't call all Alaska Natives "Inuit" anymore.

Aside from mislabeling people with a moniker that refers to a particular language, "Hispanic" also refers to the colonizing culture. Many Latinos find it offensive for this reason.

I'm not going to get into Latinx. I don't understand it.

I appreciate the time and thought you put into your post. I hope you understand that not everyone is with you on the Hispanic versus Latino/a verbiage. For example, my foster daughters prefer the term Hispanic, which is why I use the term. If I know that you prefer the term Latino/a, then I will use that term with you. Invariably, when at work, I use the term Hispanic because that is the word used on all of the district forms when we ask parents and guardians to self-identify their race, ethnicity or heritage.

I want to point out one other thing. It is good to keep in mind that the terms we use can be fluid and that societies perspectives on terminology can change quickly from one to the other. For example, I also have three children who are black. For many years I was told by people outside of our family that we needed to use the term "African American." I was told that using the word "black" was incorrect and a term of disparagement; however, that was not the term that my children used or that their birth families used to refer to their race. My children and their birth families all good great pride in the term "black" so that is the term we use in my family. It was only with the activities from this spring that the tide has now turned back and society again is saying that being "black" and proclaiming that you are "black" is once again a term of pride.

Again, I appreciate your thoughtful response to me. I see from your responses to others that you haven't been as thoughtful. I hope that you consider my perspective and recognize that there is room at the table for a lot of different perspectives. Tolerance is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

I hate these teacher v parent arguments. The almost invariably gloss over the issue of the needs of children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear teacher who refers to students as "Hispanic," let me explain to you why you should refer to us as Latino/a. I'm about to do some emotional labor here, which I'm 99% sure you're going to ignore because you think your familiarity with us gives you some kind of authority.

Hispanic and Latino are often conflated. They are not the same. Hispanic refers to the language and Latino refers to the culture. If you have indigenous students in your classes (and if you have any from central America, you almost certainly do), these are Latinos, not Hispanics. Some of them may even speak Spanish, as is common in Guatemala, but that's the language of the colonizers. Brazilians are Latinos, not Hispanics. I can go on. This is just like how we don't call all Alaska Natives "Inuit" anymore.

Aside from mislabeling people with a moniker that refers to a particular language, "Hispanic" also refers to the colonizing culture. Many Latinos find it offensive for this reason.

I'm not going to get into Latinx. I don't understand it.

I appreciate the time and thought you put into your post. I hope you understand that not everyone is with you on the Hispanic versus Latino/a verbiage. For example, my foster daughters prefer the term Hispanic, which is why I use the term. If I know that you prefer the term Latino/a, then I will use that term with you. Invariably, when at work, I use the term Hispanic because that is the word used on all of the district forms when we ask parents and guardians to self-identify their race, ethnicity or heritage.

I want to point out one other thing. It is good to keep in mind that the terms we use can be fluid and that societies perspectives on terminology can change quickly from one to the other. For example, I also have three children who are black. For many years I was told by people outside of our family that we needed to use the term "African American." I was told that using the word "black" was incorrect and a term of disparagement; however, that was not the term that my children used or that their birth families used to refer to their race. My children and their birth families all good great pride in the term "black" so that is the term we use in my family. It was only with the activities from this spring that the tide has now turned back and society again is saying that being "black" and proclaiming that you are "black" is once again a term of pride.

Again, I appreciate your thoughtful response to me. I see from your responses to others that you haven't been as thoughtful. I hope that you consider my perspective and recognize that there is room at the table for a lot of different perspectives. Tolerance is a good thing.

For DCUM audiences I refer to myself as a Latina but in real life I refer to myself as Hispanic (I am from Mexico) as do all of my Latino/Hispanic friends that I know and people in my Latin/Hispanic community. The name debate is definitely more an issue with white Americans and maybe even younger generations than it is for my actual community as a whole. Same with the Latinx label that I do not see or hear used in my community but seems to be pushed on by social media. While I think some of these issues come from a place of concern and maybe from a good place it really bothers me that a different community is trying to push their agenda/cultural conformity is on to my Latin/Hispanic community.

[Anonymous]

Not every Latina is Hispanic. I am Brazilian; I'm Latina but not Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Quote telling about how found the opportunity to smoke pot for the last year though! At home, while refusing to do the job they were hired to do.
How delusional to think that they imagine all of their students are rich kids whose parents just sit at home babysitting!