Rumors of a delay?

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Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?

I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.

Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.

We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.

Aren't sick outs a contract violation?

Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.

Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?

WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.

Only IF DCPS does not sign the MOA. Which people are expecting them to sign in the am.

It’s important to note that the only remaining sticking point according to WTU is that teachers should have the right to say they won’t go back, no reason required. The chancellor has previously said he will not budge on this point. So who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?

I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.

Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.

We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.

Aren't sick outs a contract violation?

Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.

Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?

WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.

Only IF DCPS does not sign the MOA. Which people are expecting them to sign in the am.

It’s important to note that the only remaining sticking point according to WTU is that teachers should have the right to say they won’t go back, no reason required. The chancellor has previously said he will not budge on this point. So who knows.

that is absurd. bowser should fire them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?

I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.

Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.

We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.

Aren't sick outs a contract violation?

Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.

Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?

WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.

And they are going to try to get parents to not log into Canvas for solidarity.

All I see is another day off for my kids. This is bullshit.

That's bullsh*t

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Thank you. I have given up trying to explain here that this is the entire plan for the year. I’m not sure why people have so much trouble understanding the big picture. How can middle and high schools go back when their support staff has been scattered and decimated? How many transitions will elementary school kids go through?

Look, if you can't get one teacher per grade per school to go back, you aren't getting a better plan. This is it. At very least let those sped kids return.

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Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?

I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.

Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.

We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.

Aren't sick outs a contract violation?

Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.

Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?

WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.

And they are going to try to get parents to not log into Canvas for solidarity.

All I see is another day off for my kids. This is bullshit.

That's bullsh*t

What really is the difference between a dl day and a non dl day. Not working simply not much of a bargaining chip when working is not working for so many students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Yes. This. Who is going to teach the DL kids if DCPS forces all the teachers back into classrooms with maximum 11 kids five days a week? If they bring everyone back, they can't maintain the small class sizes for social distancing AND go five days a week. So the few kids who are in school five days a week for Term 2 will either have that switched back to hybrid two days a week (or something) or they can't bring back any more kids because there isn't room in the school buildings for all of them. (Please don't say they should bring everyone back without social distancing - what a freaking nightmare!)

I also want to mention that the priorities in THIS country are vastly different from those in Europe, which is also experiencing a large resurgence in cases - they are shutting down everything BUT the schools in Germany, for example. But that is also because they propose to pay the people who will not be working as a result of the COVID-related closures, again, not like the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Thank you. I have given up trying to explain here that this is the entire plan for the year. I’m not sure why people have so much trouble understanding the big picture. How can middle and high schools go back when their support staff has been scattered and decimated? How many transitions will elementary school kids go through?

Look, if you can't get one teacher per grade per school to go back, you aren't getting a better plan. This is it. At very least let those sped kids return.

This. There's nothing else DCPS could do with so few teachers willing to return. The CARES classes are far form ideal, but much better than nothing. It's actually some strong out of the box thinking to use existing resources to provide childcare (Yes! Teachers provide childcare when school is open!) to additional students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Thank you. I have given up trying to explain here that this is the entire plan for the year. I’m not sure why people have so much trouble understanding the big picture. How can middle and high schools go back when their support staff has been scattered and decimated? How many transitions will elementary school kids go through?

Look, if you can't get one teacher per grade per school to go back, you aren't getting a better plan. This is it. At very least let those sped kids return.

This. There's nothing else DCPS could do with so few teachers willing to return. The CARES classes are far form ideal, but much better than nothing. It's actually some strong out of the box thinking to use existing resources to provide childcare (Yes! Teachers provide childcare when school is open!) to additional students.

One thing they could do is have people go part-time, rather than full-time, right now. Then they could add more people later.

Better yet, they could delay re-opening until they find some managed skill and get their labor relations in better order.

[Anonymous]

^^ management skill, not managed skill

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Thank you. I have given up trying to explain here that this is the entire plan for the year. I’m not sure why people have so much trouble understanding the big picture. How can middle and high schools go back when their support staff has been scattered and decimated? How many transitions will elementary school kids go through?

Look, if you can't get one teacher per grade per school to go back, you aren't getting a better plan. This is it. At very least let those sped kids return.

This. There's nothing else DCPS could do with so few teachers willing to return. The CARES classes are far form ideal, but much better than nothing. It's actually some strong out of the box thinking to use existing resources to provide childcare (Yes! Teachers provide childcare when school is open!) to additional students.

One thing they could do is have people go part-time, rather than full-time, right now. Then they could add more people later.

Better yet, they could delay re-opening until they find some managed skill and get their labor relations in better order.

Delay until next year is what you mean. See LAMB

[Anonymous]

So are plans on hold or moving forward to open on the 9th? Or is it still all up in the air?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?

I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.

Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.

We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.

Aren't sick outs a contract violation?

Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.

Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?

WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.

Only IF DCPS does not sign the MOA. Which people are expecting them to sign in the am.

It’s important to note that the only remaining sticking point according to WTU is that teachers should have the right to say they won’t go back, no reason required. The chancellor has previously said he will not budge on this point. So who knows.

that is absurd. bowser should fire them.

Fire who? 4,000 teachers? How will you open then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Thank you. I have given up trying to explain here that this is the entire plan for the year. I’m not sure why people have so much trouble understanding the big picture. How can middle and high schools go back when their support staff has been scattered and decimated? How many transitions will elementary school kids go through?

Look, if you can't get one teacher per grade per school to go back, you aren't getting a better plan. This is it. At very least let those sped kids return.

This. There's nothing else DCPS could do with so few teachers willing to return. The CARES classes are far form ideal, but much better than nothing. It's actually some strong out of the box thinking to use existing resources to provide childcare (Yes! Teachers provide childcare when school is open!) to additional students.

One thing they could do is have people go part-time, rather than full-time, right now. Then they could add more people later.

Better yet, they could delay re-opening until they find some managed skill and get their labor relations in better order.

Delay until next year is what you mean. See LAMB

Well, I think they *should* do their jobs and have a workable hybrid plan forTerm 3. But I fear they are not that competent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Thank you. I have given up trying to explain here that this is the entire plan for the year. I’m not sure why people have so much trouble understanding the big picture. How can middle and high schools go back when their support staff has been scattered and decimated? How many transitions will elementary school kids go through?

Look, if you can't get one teacher per grade per school to go back, you aren't getting a better plan. This is it. At very least let those sped kids return.

This. There's nothing else DCPS could do with so few teachers willing to return. The CARES classes are far form ideal, but much better than nothing. It's actually some strong out of the box thinking to use existing resources to provide childcare (Yes! Teachers provide childcare when school is open!) to additional students.

One thing they could do is have people go part-time, rather than full-time, right now. Then they could add more people later.

Better yet, they could delay re-opening until they find some managed skill and get their labor relations in better order.

Delay until next year is what you mean. See LAMB

Well, I think they *should* do their jobs and have a workable hybrid plan forTerm 3. But I fear they are not that competent.

Lamb had a workable plan. There aren't enough teachers to go back. It is this or nothing (one teacher per grade per school is the BEST DCPS will get) . I think there are parents who WANT to DL all year and feel better about their decision if EVERYONE DL's all year (then they know they aren't missing anything) and there are some parents who want their kids in school and in their delusion that that is possible in the absence of willing teachers will torpedo this plan so they can keep on hoping . . . till fall 2021 or 2022.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, true, but it's a start, a much less than perfect return to in-person learning to work out some of the kinks before mass enrollment.

Nothing to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning over time, but they've got to start somewhere.

Sigh. For the 99th time: Yes, there is something to stop DCPS from adding more in-person learning!

Once they have filled the classrooms all day, 5 days/week, with the in-person classes and the CARE groups, there is no space to bring other students back, even PT, without reducing the 5-dayers from FT to PT and rejiggering the classes once again.

This plan is not scalable. It is a dead end. It is a bad plan.

Yes. This. Who is going to teach the DL kids if DCPS forces all the teachers back into classrooms with maximum 11 kids five days a week? If they bring everyone back, they can't maintain the small class sizes for social distancing AND go five days a week. So the few kids who are in school five days a week for Term 2 will either have that switched back to hybrid two days a week (or something) or they can't bring back any more kids because there isn't room in the school buildings for all of them. (Please don't say they should bring everyone back without social distancing - what a freaking nightmare!)

I also want to mention that the priorities in THIS country are vastly different from those in Europe, which is also experiencing a large resurgence in cases - they are shutting down everything BUT the schools in Germany, for example. But that is also because they propose to pay the people who will not be working as a result of the COVID-related closures, again, not like the US.

I agree that the plan is not scalable IF the CARES classrooms go forward, so I hope they won't (although my family might benefit). What's to stop DCPS filling some classrooms 5 days/week for the 2nd quarter, then bring ALL the kids back for hybrid in the 3rd Quarter?? There are no fait accomplis yet, just a proposal to get a good many of the neediest kids back into classrooms full-time temporarily, as damage control. It's not such a horrible idea under the circumstances, at least not if hybrid goes forward in 2021.