Rumors of a delay?

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

This is pretty explicitly temporary, and I am sure teachers would fight back. And everyone would prefer to be taght by a qualified teacher

[Anonymous]

+100. Could you imagine if doctors, nurses, bus drivers, doormen, mail delivery people, Amazon employees, post office employees, metro operators, grocery store workers, and heck, let’s throw in congressmen and national security advisors said this?! This is absolutely absurd.

Yeah it’s called a general strike and if this country wasn’t full of bootlickers we would have done it by now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

As a sped teacher I'm not worried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

As a sped teacher I'm not worried.

Yes, you will probably be fine. But it could decimate teacher employment in the city and perhaps destroy the union that helps protect you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

As a sped teacher I'm not worried.

Yes, you will probably be fine. But it could decimate teacher employment in the city and perhaps destroy the union that helps protect you.

I’m fine with that happening. I am a 2nd year teacher who is looking to get out as teaching is too stressful and doesn’t pay enough for the amount of work you do. I don’t like to leave my students in the middle of the year obviously so I will stick it out and then quit at the end of the year. I’m applying to grad school in a different field. If for some reason that doesn’t work out, I will apply for a position at private schools. DCPS is a complete nightmare to work for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

As a sped teacher I'm not worried.

Yes, you will probably be fine. But it could decimate teacher employment in the city and perhaps destroy the union that helps protect you.

I’m fine with that happening. I am a 2nd year teacher who is looking to get out as teaching is too stressful and doesn’t pay enough for the amount of work you do. I don’t like to leave my students in the middle of the year obviously so I will stick it out and then quit at the end of the year. I’m applying to grad school in a different field. If for some reason that doesn’t work out, I will apply for a position at private schools. DCPS is a complete nightmare to work for.

Do you know what private schools pay? former private school teacher here -- it is less than half of what you make at DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Just got an email from our K Janney teacher saying she will be “out” Monday so I’m guessing that means the strike is on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from our K Janney teacher saying she will be “out” Monday so I’m guessing that means the strike is on?

Hmmm. Anyone else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from our K Janney teacher saying she will be “out” Monday so I’m guessing that means the strike is on?

How do you know on Friday that you will be sick Monday? Seems like she should wait until Monday to be ‘sick.’

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from our K Janney teacher saying she will be “out” Monday so I’m guessing that means the strike is on?

How do you know on Friday that you will be sick Monday? Seems like she should wait until Monday to be ‘sick.’

I think people were phrasing it as a mental health day, so it’s not like cough cough sick day but rather using a sick day for mental health, which can be planned ahead of time. Our teacher said she will be out but arranged for a substitute to cover

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

As a sped teacher I'm not worried.

Yes, you will probably be fine. But it could decimate teacher employment in the city and perhaps destroy the union that helps protect you.

I’m fine with that happening. I am a 2nd year teacher who is looking to get out as teaching is too stressful and doesn’t pay enough for the amount of work you do. I don’t like to leave my students in the middle of the year obviously so I will stick it out and then quit at the end of the year. I’m applying to grad school in a different field. If for some reason that doesn’t work out, I will apply for a position at private schools. DCPS is a complete nightmare to work for.

This is a typical feeling of most new teachers to DCPS. When I meet new grads, I let them know that DCPS may not be the best option to begin a teaching career, primarily because, more than likely positions are available at more challenging schools. I tell them to go to another district for a couple of years and learn how to teach before coming to DCPS because IMPACT is no joke and it is very stressful and people fizzle out with the heavy load placed on teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from our K Janney teacher saying she will be “out” Monday so I’m guessing that means the strike is on?

How do you know on Friday that you will be sick Monday? Seems like she should wait until Monday to be ‘sick.’

I think people were phrasing it as a mental health day, so it’s not like cough cough sick day but rather using a sick day for mental health, which can be planned ahead of time. Our teacher said she will be out but arranged for a substitute to cover

No, you cannot plan to be sick in advance, mentally or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.

You can't break a union these days

People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.

CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison

It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.

This is the model of one of the charter schools in PG County, College Park Academy. They have traditional classrooms for core classes and then something they call Success Coaches, which are adults who monitor a room for all of the elective classes. I could see a lot of school districts doing that in the near future.

Yeah this is just the thing. I am on the side of teachers, but I am worried that by being unreasonable, they will strike themselves out of a job. I don't believe the Success Coach model is great. But if teachers aren't willing to go in, I am worried that policymakers will see eventually Success Coaches as a viable cheaper alternative. Essentially what I am worried about is that the proposed state will become permanent.

As a sped teacher I'm not worried.

Yes, you will probably be fine. But it could decimate teacher employment in the city and perhaps destroy the union that helps protect you.

I’m fine with that happening. I am a 2nd year teacher who is looking to get out as teaching is too stressful and doesn’t pay enough for the amount of work you do. I don’t like to leave my students in the middle of the year obviously so I will stick it out and then quit at the end of the year. I’m applying to grad school in a different field. If for some reason that doesn’t work out, I will apply for a position at private schools. DCPS is a complete nightmare to work for.

This is a typical feeling of most new teachers to DCPS. When I meet new grads, I let them know that DCPS may not be the best option to begin a teaching career, primarily because, more than likely positions are available at more challenging schools. I tell them to go to another district for a couple of years and learn how to teach before coming to DCPS because IMPACT is no joke and it is very stressful and people fizzle out with the heavy load placed on teachers.

Agree, if it's not the challenging school it's the challenging administrator.

My first year I had the most awful principal who would sexually harass me. I filed a report but turns out he had multiple reports pending. He was removed from that school but he just got the same position at another DCPS school...

I feel so lucky to have current admin who actually care, NOT just have the appearance of caring as a dog and pony show for parents.

I think people also don't realize getting to the 100 k mark can take up to 17 years. Most teachers in DCPS aren't getting paid that much. The starting pay is about 55k. And let me tell you for the work we do that isn't enough. People really need to start looking at teachers as essential.

I don't want to hear well 'grocery workers, nurses, etc.'( I definitely think they deserve more just as a note) however teachers are in high demand, especially in cities and moreso for our high needs areas. (sped, math, science)