Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

There are lots of different sports opportunities out there for kids to participate in. A kid who isn’t participating in sports in some way is either not interested or hasn’t been exposed to sports by the parents. Just as some kids need encouragement in their academics, some kids need encouragement in athletics and it is up to the parents to make sure kids are developing physically as well as mentally.

And the same rational applies to a magnet school. But, as the PP said, it looks like the issue is moot now since we will soon have sct dominated by ultra conservatives itching to end affirmative action in admissions.

Be that as it may, there is no reason for a kid to not be involved in some type of sport every day. It’s the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in sports, whether he has innate ability or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

There are lots of different sports opportunities out there for kids to participate in. A kid who isn’t participating in sports in some way is either not interested or hasn’t been exposed to sports by the parents. Just as some kids need encouragement in their academics, some kids need encouragement in athletics and it is up to the parents to make sure kids are developing physically as well as mentally.

Except most Asian families aren't going to promote sports over academics. That's just not how they roll. If their Asian kid is interested in playing soccer or basketball, sure they'll sign them up for it. But the minute it jeopardizes their grades, or they see the kid doesn't have enough time to do both, guess what gets the ax. Whereas in other races, the parents may opt to keep the kids in sports and ask them to do try harder with school. It's a different mentality. I think that is the distinction that non-Asians should understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

There are lots of different sports opportunities out there for kids to participate in. A kid who isn’t participating in sports in some way is either not interested or hasn’t been exposed to sports by the parents. Just as some kids need encouragement in their academics, some kids need encouragement in athletics and it is up to the parents to make sure kids are developing physically as well as mentally.

And the same rational applies to a magnet school. But, as the PP said, it looks like the issue is moot now since we will soon have sct dominated by ultra conservatives itching to end affirmative action in admissions.

Be that as it may, there is no reason for a kid to not be involved in some type of sport every day. It’s the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in sports, whether he has innate ability or not.

One can also easily say, there's no reason not to build academic rigor in your kids starting in preschool and continue to build that rigor throughout primary education. It's the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in academic rigor, whether he has innate aptitude or not. Right back at you! Asking for a lottery handout is the same as saying let's give everyone a gold medal for showing up in a sports competition.

[Anonymous]

If just a small fraction of the parents complaining about the change, had spoken up when the cheating was happening - the changes would not have been necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If just a small fraction of the parents complaining about the change, had spoken up when the cheating was happening - the changes would not have been necessary.

TJ parents or parents in general have zero say in the admissions policy/process. Blame the fcps for what has happened in the last 30 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

There are lots of different sports opportunities out there for kids to participate in. A kid who isn’t participating in sports in some way is either not interested or hasn’t been exposed to sports by the parents. Just as some kids need encouragement in their academics, some kids need encouragement in athletics and it is up to the parents to make sure kids are developing physically as well as mentally.

And the same rational applies to a magnet school. But, as the PP said, it looks like the issue is moot now since we will soon have sct dominated by ultra conservatives itching to end affirmative action in admissions.

Be that as it may, there is no reason for a kid to not be involved in some type of sport every day. It’s the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in sports, whether he has innate ability or not.

One can also easily say, there's no reason not to build academic rigor in your kids starting in preschool and continue to build that rigor throughout primary education. It's the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in academic rigor, whether he has innate aptitude or not. Right back at you! Asking for a lottery handout is the same as saying let's give everyone a gold medal for showing up in a sports competition.

Yes, that is exactly my point. Both are important. It is just as irresponsible to allow kids to study all day as it is to allow them to do sports all day.

A kid who is not doing sports is not developing a sound mind in a sound body. It is up to the parents to make sure their children are developing in many ways, even, especially, when the child is inclined to not do something because they don’t feel skilled at it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

There are lots of different sports opportunities out there for kids to participate in. A kid who isn’t participating in sports in some way is either not interested or hasn’t been exposed to sports by the parents. Just as some kids need encouragement in their academics, some kids need encouragement in athletics and it is up to the parents to make sure kids are developing physically as well as mentally.

And the same rational applies to a magnet school. But, as the PP said, it looks like the issue is moot now since we will soon have sct dominated by ultra conservatives itching to end affirmative action in admissions.

Be that as it may, there is no reason for a kid to not be involved in some type of sport every day. It’s the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in sports, whether he has innate ability or not.

One can also easily say, there's no reason not to build academic rigor in your kids starting in preschool and continue to build that rigor throughout primary education. It's the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in academic rigor, whether he has innate aptitude or not. Right back at you! Asking for a lottery handout is the same as saying let's give everyone a gold medal for showing up in a sports competition.

Yes, that is exactly my point. Both are important. It is just as irresponsible to allow kids to study all day as it is to allow them to do sports all day.

A kid who is not doing sports is not developing a sound mind in a sound body. It is up to the parents to make sure their children are developing in many ways, even, especially, when the child is inclined to not do something because they don’t feel skilled at it.

Both are important but school's primary mission is to educate/academics not sport. Sport is secondary. America's obsession with sports is unhealthy bordering on fetish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Understand that in many white, AA, and Hispanic homes other things are valued rather than prep at all cost. Many are involved in their houses of worship, league sports, helping out in the family business at a young age, working a job at age 15 etc. "Prepping" at all costs is not the norm for American kids nor has it ever been.

This is the definition of a racist. My asian kids are involved with their church, help out with family business , work a summer job. At the same time, they value their education very much and make studying (not prepping) their priority . They don't play league sports because they just are not qualified enough. Ironically, nobody has a problem with sports (where there is an obvious lack of Asian representation) being able to select by merit, but god forbid, asian kids being a majority in a magnet school and everybody gets their panties in a twist.

There are lots of different sports opportunities out there for kids to participate in. A kid who isn’t participating in sports in some way is either not interested or hasn’t been exposed to sports by the parents. Just as some kids need encouragement in their academics, some kids need encouragement in athletics and it is up to the parents to make sure kids are developing physically as well as mentally.

And the same rational applies to a magnet school. But, as the PP said, it looks like the issue is moot now since we will soon have sct dominated by ultra conservatives itching to end affirmative action in admissions.

Be that as it may, there is no reason for a kid to not be involved in some type of sport every day. It’s the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in sports, whether he has innate ability or not.

One can also easily say, there's no reason not to build academic rigor in your kids starting in preschool and continue to build that rigor throughout primary education. It's the responsibility of the parent to make sure a child is involved in academic rigor, whether he has innate aptitude or not. Right back at you! Asking for a lottery handout is the same as saying let's give everyone a gold medal for showing up in a sports competition.

Yes, that is exactly my point. Both are important. It is just as irresponsible to allow kids to study all day as it is to allow them to do sports all day.

A kid who is not doing sports is not developing a sound mind in a sound body. It is up to the parents to make sure their children are developing in many ways, even, especially, when the child is inclined to not do something because they don’t feel skilled at it.

Both are important but school's primary mission is to educate/academics not sport. Sport is secondary. America's obsession with sports is unhealthy bordering on fetish.

Sports can be done in many places, they don’t have to be through school. The school day is definitely for academics; after school is a good time for a child to be involved in athletic pursuits for at least an hour every day.

Focusing on only the mind without also developing the body is detrimental to the child in the long run.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What people fail to understand is that the Asian kid will knock the socks of the class in their base school, a whole heck of a lot easier than having to seriously amp up their academic game at TJ. If anything, this crazy scheme just ensured more Asian success because now many of those academically-focused Asian kids will be at their base schools and completely dwarfing any chance for success for the rest of the non-Asians. Where once you had the possibility for an AA or Hispanic or White valedictorian, or your child is in the top .5% of the graduating class, that'll now be all Asian irrespective of what high school you attend. The irony of this move will be baffling for most in a few years time.

What most are missing is that you can't keep an Asian kid down when it comes to academic success. It's being bred at home. And, if the AA or Hispanic or White races can't start that breeding at home, where it matters the most, you'll never fair better than an Asian child. It's as simple as that. Like the Russian poster noted, some have figured it out and have implemented the training early.

Why here? Why now?

If Asians will do well anywhere, what does it matter?

The US and especially FCPS is simply not 90% Asian.

It really doesn't matter! I think you may find some Asians truly bothered by it because they believe it's an unfair practice to single them out and there is an inherent Asian bias happening in most elite academic setting (as represented by the DOJ v Yale case and the SFA v Harvard case, and being litigated in some public school setting). So long term, it is a problem, and something that most Asians shouldn't totally disregard. I don't fully understand what you mean by "why here why now." I suppose I can say because we exist and are here. You seem to think that admissions rates to tier 1 programs should be correlated to the % of population in the area. Admissions to tier 1 most likely correlates with academic success (primary) and interest from the student (secondary). Everything else is a wash. TJ is 60%+ Asian because most Asian students academic success far overshadow that of a AA+Hispanic+White student. There's no other way to put this nicely. And it seems like everyone knows that, but then folks make silly arguments like "well we believe in a well rounded child, and would like them to build other interests" (or some variation of that, whether it's sports or whatever). There's no Asian making that sort of argument. Asians believe in academic success first and foremost. Then it's "other interest." So maybe instead of focusing on "why 90% Asian," perhaps maybe the AA+Hispanic+White races should get off their high pedestals and instill some academic rigor into your kids life starting in pre-school. Perhaps take the outlook that most Asian families have taken. Then you can sit and whine about why your kids aren't able to compete with the Asians. But, I'll tell you this, if you started with fostering the academic rigor from an early childhood perspective, your White+Black+Hispanic kid wouldn't need a lottery system to get in.

To the poster above, thanks for breaking it down. Couldn't agree more, and I'm not Asian.

It doesn't matter what the FCPS does or even what the VA Governor/legislature does. Any consideration of race in admission to selective schools or universities will be prohibited in the near future by the SCOTUS.

Are you a lawyer? The reason I am asking is because what you are saying does not make sense - I do not see any consideration of race in this new lottery admissions process. A more equitable system can be and should be the outcome, but they are not selecting based on race. I'm also sure FCPS has thought about and possibly consulted with lawyers on whether their new selection process would withstand a legal challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:We need representation of Asian-Americans in Sports also. Also, Hollywood needs to be representative of the % of ethnic population.

All public schools should also have the same demographics %age as the district. Bus the kids to other schools to make sure that every school has the same ratio of ethnic groups. Oh, also please seperate North Indians from South, West, NorthEast and East Indians. We are different in all ways. Also, seperate the Koreans, Japanes, Chinese, Hmong, Vietnamese, Thai students also.

I actually think that TJ has represented the global population of India and China in their school. So that is pretty good, eh?

Global population is not US population. US citizens pay taxes for TJ. TJ should not be 80% of one ethnicity.

OMG... so parents of TJ kids don’t pay taxes? No one stop you me kid from going there if your kid is goo enough no matter what race you are.

And my kids’ school is 70% Spanish. Do you have any problems with that. Or you only have problems with Asians??

I heard that TJ runs by mostly donations from big companies and alumni. I wonder it is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What people fail to understand is that the Asian kid will knock the socks of the class in their base school, a whole heck of a lot easier than having to seriously amp up their academic game at TJ. If anything, this crazy scheme just ensured more Asian success because now many of those academically-focused Asian kids will be at their base schools and completely dwarfing any chance for success for the rest of the non-Asians. Where once you had the possibility for an AA or Hispanic or White valedictorian, or your child is in the top .5% of the graduating class, that'll now be all Asian irrespective of what high school you attend. The irony of this move will be baffling for most in a few years time.

What most are missing is that you can't keep an Asian kid down when it comes to academic success. It's being bred at home. And, if the AA or Hispanic or White races can't start that breeding at home, where it matters the most, you'll never fair better than an Asian child. It's as simple as that. Like the Russian poster noted, some have figured it out and have implemented the training early.

Why here? Why now?

If Asians will do well anywhere, what does it matter?

The US and especially FCPS is simply not 90% Asian.

It really doesn't matter! I think you may find some Asians truly bothered by it because they believe it's an unfair practice to single them out and there is an inherent Asian bias happening in most elite academic setting (as represented by the DOJ v Yale case and the SFA v Harvard case, and being litigated in some public school setting). So long term, it is a problem, and something that most Asians shouldn't totally disregard. I don't fully understand what you mean by "why here why now." I suppose I can say because we exist and are here. You seem to think that admissions rates to tier 1 programs should be correlated to the % of population in the area. Admissions to tier 1 most likely correlates with academic success (primary) and interest from the student (secondary). Everything else is a wash. TJ is 60%+ Asian because most Asian students academic success far overshadow that of a AA+Hispanic+White student. There's no other way to put this nicely. And it seems like everyone knows that, but then folks make silly arguments like "well we believe in a well rounded child, and would like them to build other interests" (or some variation of that, whether it's sports or whatever). There's no Asian making that sort of argument. Asians believe in academic success first and foremost. Then it's "other interest." So maybe instead of focusing on "why 90% Asian," perhaps maybe the AA+Hispanic+White races should get off their high pedestals and instill some academic rigor into your kids life starting in pre-school. Perhaps take the outlook that most Asian families have taken. Then you can sit and whine about why your kids aren't able to compete with the Asians. But, I'll tell you this, if you started with fostering the academic rigor from an early childhood perspective, your White+Black+Hispanic kid wouldn't need a lottery system to get in.

To the poster above, thanks for breaking it down. Couldn't agree more, and I'm not Asian.

It doesn't matter what the FCPS does or even what the VA Governor/legislature does. Any consideration of race in admission to selective schools or universities will be prohibited in the near future by the SCOTUS.

Are you a lawyer? The reason I am asking is because what you are saying does not make sense - I do not see any consideration of race in this new lottery admissions process. A more equitable system can be and should be the outcome, but they are not selecting based on race. I'm also sure FCPS has thought about and possibly consulted with lawyers on whether their new selection process would withstand a legal challenge.

In addition to 6-3 super majority conservative Justices salivating to strike down any admissions system that considers or has disparate impact on racial groups, Trump managed to appoint/confirm literally hundreds of District Court Judges and Court of Appeal Judges in 3.5 years and idiotic Democratic senators happily obliged.

The new TJ admissions system will be struck down by a district judge, appellate judge or ultimately by the ultra conservative supreme court. I have practiced law for decades and have followed affirmative action issue/use of race in selective schools issue for over 20 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What people fail to understand is that the Asian kid will knock the socks of the class in their base school, a whole heck of a lot easier than having to seriously amp up their academic game at TJ. If anything, this crazy scheme just ensured more Asian success because now many of those academically-focused Asian kids will be at their base schools and completely dwarfing any chance for success for the rest of the non-Asians. Where once you had the possibility for an AA or Hispanic or White valedictorian, or your child is in the top .5% of the graduating class, that'll now be all Asian irrespective of what high school you attend. The irony of this move will be baffling for most in a few years time.

What most are missing is that you can't keep an Asian kid down when it comes to academic success. It's being bred at home. And, if the AA or Hispanic or White races can't start that breeding at home, where it matters the most, you'll never fair better than an Asian child. It's as simple as that. Like the Russian poster noted, some have figured it out and have implemented the training early.

Why here? Why now?

If Asians will do well anywhere, what does it matter?

The US and especially FCPS is simply not 90% Asian.

It really doesn't matter! I think you may find some Asians truly bothered by it because they believe it's an unfair practice to single them out and there is an inherent Asian bias happening in most elite academic setting (as represented by the DOJ v Yale case and the SFA v Harvard case, and being litigated in some public school setting). So long term, it is a problem, and something that most Asians shouldn't totally disregard. I don't fully understand what you mean by "why here why now." I suppose I can say because we exist and are here. You seem to think that admissions rates to tier 1 programs should be correlated to the % of population in the area. Admissions to tier 1 most likely correlates with academic success (primary) and interest from the student (secondary). Everything else is a wash. TJ is 60%+ Asian because most Asian students academic success far overshadow that of a AA+Hispanic+White student. There's no other way to put this nicely. And it seems like everyone knows that, but then folks make silly arguments like "well we believe in a well rounded child, and would like them to build other interests" (or some variation of that, whether it's sports or whatever). There's no Asian making that sort of argument. Asians believe in academic success first and foremost. Then it's "other interest." So maybe instead of focusing on "why 90% Asian," perhaps maybe the AA+Hispanic+White races should get off their high pedestals and instill some academic rigor into your kids life starting in pre-school. Perhaps take the outlook that most Asian families have taken. Then you can sit and whine about why your kids aren't able to compete with the Asians. But, I'll tell you this, if you started with fostering the academic rigor from an early childhood perspective, your White+Black+Hispanic kid wouldn't need a lottery system to get in.

To the poster above, thanks for breaking it down. Couldn't agree more, and I'm not Asian.

It doesn't matter what the FCPS does or even what the VA Governor/legislature does. Any consideration of race in admission to selective schools or universities will be prohibited in the near future by the SCOTUS.

Are you a lawyer? The reason I am asking is because what you are saying does not make sense - I do not see any consideration of race in this new lottery admissions process. A more equitable system can be and should be the outcome, but they are not selecting based on race. I'm also sure FCPS has thought about and possibly consulted with lawyers on whether their new selection process would withstand a legal challenge.

In addition to 6-3 super majority conservative Justices salivating to strike down any admissions system that considers or has disparate impact on racial groups, Trump managed to appoint/confirm literally hundreds of District Court Judges and Court of Appeal Judges in 3.5 years and idiotic Democratic senators happily obliged.

The new TJ admissions system will be struck down by a district judge, appellate judge or ultimately by the ultra conservative supreme court. I have practiced law for decades and have followed affirmative action issue/use of race in selective schools issue for over 20 years.

Looks like Trump appointed about 53 judges to the Court of Appeals (4 to fourth circuit) and 159 District Court judges (3 to EDVA) and 2 to supreme court. There are about 46 additional District Court Judges waiting for confirmation to take place in September/October.

[Anonymous]

TJ needs to reflect the population more. Asians are not inherently smarter. They just prepping more. TJ needs to be more balanced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ needs to reflect the population more. Asians are not inherently smarter. They just prepping more. TJ needs to be more balanced.

No. People need to stop being racist. People need to stop dividing the population by race. TJ should remain color blind and welcome students of any color, gender, height, and weight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ needs to reflect the population more. Asians are not inherently smarter. They just prepping more. TJ needs to be more balanced.

No. People need to stop being racist. People need to stop dividing the population by race. TJ should remain color blind and welcome students of any color, gender, height, and weight.

This. But, kids should not need a prep class to get in. FCPS should figure out a way to eliminate those classes. I suspect the demographics would not change much.