Where do b students from big 3 schools go?

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Anonymous wrote:States are pressuring their schools to take more and more in state students, so the stats required for full pay out of state students has risen a lot in the last three years.

Also, look at private schools like NYU, where four years ago the median sat was in the 1300s and last year it was 1500. Naviance becomes far less helpful when you have drastic admissions shift like this at a given school.

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Schools like Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, Union, Colgate, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan. Full pay OOS, elite prep = guarantee admission

Not with a 3.0.

Why do you have to exaggerate? "B" students are 3.0 to 3.6, are they not? Full pay OOS rich kids from an elite prep school are getting into Michigan with a 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6. All day long. Especially if they display demonstrated interest and apply early. Michigan is hard up for cash, obsessed with building its endowment and cultivating donor class.

In the last three years? Not according to our prep school Naviance. No one below 1400, no one below 3.7 UW.

What school? Not Big 3.

The average across all years, yes, that makes the chances look very good; but not the last three only -- you can't see that in Naviance, but the counselor will tell you. There has been a drastic shift.

This doesn’t make any sense. Everyone says on this board that kids at the Big 3 who are B students (apparently everyone) would have A’s at Wilson BUT wouldn’t that make their test scores equivalent? The brightest kids are not getting a 1400 on their SAT, and would never get into Michigan with those scores. We know two Wilson kids last year in the 4.2-4.5 range with 34s who didn’t get in, and none of those who scored 32 (in the friend group).

So, it sounds like it definitely is a safety for underperforming kids at the Big 3, even though the Wilson kids who are academically stronger (per the test scores) and pay full freight as well. It also sounds like it’s not adding up re grades and test scores — which is it?

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow elite private school parent here. Remember guys this is a long term play. Private has smaller classes so our kids get more attention even if they end up at the same colleges. Writing skills, etc. tend to be stronger from private. As a lawyer, I have seen this at firms.

+1. Also soft skills and social network. Sidwell kids, for example, aren't hanging with middle class public schoolers in college. But of course all of this is over the head of hoi polloi who think their kid is the EXACT same as everyone they go to a certain college with. Campuses are stratified as hell. The playing field is never level.

Lol silly poster... In fact my kid's room
mate is a Sidwell grad... And grade wise....my public school kid is kicking her butt.

Yeah, the naïveté of parents who think that having a certain amount of disposable income or plunking down private school tuition buys them sophistication is embarrassing.

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Tulane, Barnard, NYU, Bucknell, Colgate, Wake Forest, Northeastern, Boston College, St. Andrews, UMiami & Wisconsin

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan. Full pay OOS, elite prep = guarantee admission

Not with a 3.0.

Why do you have to exaggerate? "B" students are 3.0 to 3.6, are they not? Full pay OOS rich kids from an elite prep school are getting into Michigan with a 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6. All day long. Especially if they display demonstrated interest and apply early. Michigan is hard up for cash, obsessed with building its endowment and cultivating donor class.

In the last three years? Not according to our prep school Naviance. No one below 1400, no one below 3.7 UW.

What school? Not Big 3.

The average across all years, yes, that makes the chances look very good; but not the last three only -- you can't see that in Naviance, but the counselor will tell you. There has been a drastic shift.

You don’t say Big 3, presumably because you are not talking about Big 3. At our Big 3, the Naviance they show you is for last 3 years. Medium GPA for admits well below 3.7.

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow elite private school parent here. Remember guys this is a long term play. Private has smaller classes so our kids get more attention even if they end up at the same colleges. Writing skills, etc. tend to be stronger from private. As a lawyer, I have seen this at firms.

+1. Also soft skills and social network. Sidwell kids, for example, aren't hanging with middle class public schoolers in college. But of course all of this is over the head of hoi polloi who think their kid is the EXACT same as everyone they go to a certain college with. Campuses are stratified as hell. The playing field is never level.

Lol silly poster... In fact my kid's room
mate is a Sidwell grad... And grade wise....my public school kid is kicking her butt.

Yeah, the naïveté of parents who think that having a certain amount of disposable income or plunking down private school tuition buys them sophistication is embarrassing.

One kid’s experience surely proves the rule.

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane, Barnard, NYU, Bucknell, Colgate, Wake Forest, Northeastern, Boston College, St. Andrews, UMiami & Wisconsin

Thanks

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow elite private school parent here. Remember guys this is a long term play. Private has smaller classes so our kids get more attention even if they end up at the same colleges. Writing skills, etc. tend to be stronger from private. As a lawyer, I have seen this at firms.

+1. Also soft skills and social network. Sidwell kids, for example, aren't hanging with middle class public schoolers in college. But of course all of this is over the head of hoi polloi who think their kid is the EXACT same as everyone they go to a certain college with. Campuses are stratified as hell. The playing field is never level.

Lol silly poster... In fact my kid's room
mate is a Sidwell grad... And grade wise....my public school kid is kicking her butt.

Yeah, the naïveté of parents who think that having a certain amount of disposable income or plunking down private school tuition buys them sophistication is embarrassing.

One kid’s experience surely proves the rule.

And what an amazing coincidence as well

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Anonymous wrote:Fellow elite private school parent here. Remember guys this is a long term play. Private has smaller classes so our kids get more attention even if they end up at the same colleges. Writing skills, etc. tend to be stronger from private. As a lawyer, I have seen this at firms.

+1. Also soft skills and social network. Sidwell kids, for example, aren't hanging with middle class public schoolers in college. But of course all of this is over the head of hoi polloi who think their kid is the EXACT same as everyone they go to a certain college with. Campuses are stratified as hell. The playing field is never level.

Lol silly poster... In fact my kid's room
mate is a Sidwell grad... And grade wise....my public school kid is kicking her butt.

Yeah, the naïveté of parents who think that having a certain amount of disposable income or plunking down private school tuition buys them sophistication is embarrassing.

One kid’s experience surely proves the rule.

And what an amazing coincidence as well

Don’t you know everyone tells the truth on DCUM?

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Anonymous wrote:My ds had a b average from a mom big 3 private and a 30. Got into both unass and Skidmore among many others. B students from big 3 with 31 ish scores will get into many of the schools mentioned. Ignore all stats on gpa or class rank other than your school’s Naviance and talk to your counselor.

EXACTLY! School context really matters here, and solid Bs at Sidwell/STA/NCS/GDS is not the same as solid Bs at my kid's public school.

The kid should continue to discuss target schools with the counselor and applying to 6-7, not 3.

Many of these kids would be A students in public. The top DC private schools are very demanding.

Baloney re these kids being A students at public.

+100
I went to a "big 3" and was an A- student. Went to a "lower Ivy" I'd never get into now. My friends who were B students went to places like Colby and JMU.

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane, Barnard, NYU, Bucknell, Colgate, Wake Forest, Northeastern, Boston College, St. Andrews, UMiami & Wisconsin

Thanks

Very surprised if B students are getting into NYU.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't counselor have a better idea of your kid's chances than people on this board?

Right? Like...is this not why you pay for a Big 3?

While I agree with the first post, the 2nd is just being an ahole. Why are people on this board such jerks?

Give me a break. If you pay all that money and your kid ends up in the same position as your neighbor's who went public, you'll be resentful. Just admit that.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan. Full pay OOS, elite prep = guarantee admission

Not with a 3.0.

Why do you have to exaggerate? "B" students are 3.0 to 3.6, are they not? Full pay OOS rich kids from an elite prep school are getting into Michigan with a 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6. All day long. Especially if they display demonstrated interest and apply early. Michigan is hard up for cash, obsessed with building its endowment and cultivating donor class.

In the last three years? Not according to our prep school Naviance. No one below 1400, no one below 3.7 UW.

What school? Not Big 3.

The average across all years, yes, that makes the chances look very good; but not the last three only -- you can't see that in Naviance, but the counselor will tell you. There has been a drastic shift.

You don’t say Big 3, presumably because you are not talking about Big 3. At our Big 3, the Naviance they show you is for last 3 years. Medium GPA for admits well below 3.7.

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Okay, so GPA "well below 3.7" for Michigan at your Big 3. What are the corresponding test scores?

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan. Full pay OOS, elite prep = guarantee admission

Not with a 3.0.

Why do you have to exaggerate? "B" students are 3.0 to 3.6, are they not? Full pay OOS rich kids from an elite prep school are getting into Michigan with a 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6. All day long. Especially if they display demonstrated interest and apply early. Michigan is hard up for cash, obsessed with building its endowment and cultivating donor class.

In the last three years? Not according to our prep school Naviance. No one below 1400, no one below 3.7 UW.

What school? Not Big 3.

The average across all years, yes, that makes the chances look very good; but not the last three only -- you can't see that in Naviance, but the counselor will tell you. There has been a drastic shift.

You don’t say Big 3, presumably because you are not talking about Big 3. At our Big 3, the Naviance they show you is for last 3 years. Medium GPA for admits well below 3.7.

Are you sure it is only showing the last three years? Maybe I'm reading it wrong.