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Percentage of students that are black is going down.

When the government changed the rules to allow "multirace" as a category (about 10 years ago), all of the demographics in the population changed. It shouldn't be a surprise that the % of black students dropped.

In addition, colleges can't compel students to provide their race/ethnicity. The data you get is of those who opted to report something.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA condones Nazis marching on campus.

You're not worth responding to ,but of course UVA doesn't condone that. I was there that day with Teresa Sullivan. No one at UVA knew they alt.right group was going to try and parade through UVA. No one. And, of course, all the horrible stuff that followed was at a particular park where the alt. righters had a permit to protest the removal of a confederate statue. NO intelligent person at UVA thinks that there is any link. And UVA has done a tremendous amount of "good works" since then to make sure that UVA is black friendly. In fact, in the last two years, black admissions have reached record levels.

That is incorrect. In the Fall of 2018, Black students comprised 7.1% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. In the Fall of 1992, Black students comprised 11.5% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. Black enrollment as a percentage of overall undergraduate enrollment has been declining. Virginia's population is 19.2% Black, so UVA's enrollment percentage is significantly lower.

You may have been thinking of "Persons of Color" rather than Black. But Persons of Color includes Asians. The percentage of Asians at UVA has gone from 8.4% in 1992 to 15% in 2018.

And the schools has grown a ton since the 90s. What are the actually numbers of students? I bet the 7% of today is a larger group than the 11% of 1992.

No. 1,427 black undergraduate students at UVA in 1992. 1,133 in 2018.

The UVA Class of 2023 includes 35 percent minority students, an increase from the 34 percent in the Class of 2022. If you include international students, the undergrad class is 40% minority.

Percentage of students that are black is going down.

Incorrect, per President James Ryan's statement at convocation last week, the percentage of black students increased for the class of 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA condones Nazis marching on campus.

You're not worth responding to ,but of course UVA doesn't condone that. I was there that day with Teresa Sullivan. No one at UVA knew they alt.right group was going to try and parade through UVA. No one. And, of course, all the horrible stuff that followed was at a particular park where the alt. righters had a permit to protest the removal of a confederate statue. NO intelligent person at UVA thinks that there is any link. And UVA has done a tremendous amount of "good works" since then to make sure that UVA is black friendly. In fact, in the last two years, black admissions have reached record levels.

That is incorrect. In the Fall of 2018, Black students comprised 7.1% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. In the Fall of 1992, Black students comprised 11.5% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. Black enrollment as a percentage of overall undergraduate enrollment has been declining. Virginia's population is 19.2% Black, so UVA's enrollment percentage is significantly lower.

You may have been thinking of "Persons of Color" rather than Black. But Persons of Color includes Asians. The percentage of Asians at UVA has gone from 8.4% in 1992 to 15% in 2018.

And the schools has grown a ton since the 90s. What are the actually numbers of students? I bet the 7% of today is a larger group than the 11% of 1992.

No. 1,427 black undergraduate students at UVA in 1992. 1,133 in 2018.

The UVA Class of 2023 includes 35 percent minority students, an increase from the 34 percent in the Class of 2022. If you include international students, the undergrad class is 40% minority.

Percentage of students that are black is going down.

Incorrect, per President James Ryan's statement at convocation last week, the percentage of black students increased for the class of 2023.

No. Just look at the real stats in the SCHEV website.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA condones Nazis marching on campus.

You're not worth responding to ,but of course UVA doesn't condone that. I was there that day with Teresa Sullivan. No one at UVA knew they alt.right group was going to try and parade through UVA. No one. And, of course, all the horrible stuff that followed was at a particular park where the alt. righters had a permit to protest the removal of a confederate statue. NO intelligent person at UVA thinks that there is any link. And UVA has done a tremendous amount of "good works" since then to make sure that UVA is black friendly. In fact, in the last two years, black admissions have reached record levels.

That is incorrect. In the Fall of 2018, Black students comprised 7.1% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. In the Fall of 1992, Black students comprised 11.5% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. Black enrollment as a percentage of overall undergraduate enrollment has been declining. Virginia's population is 19.2% Black, so UVA's enrollment percentage is significantly lower.

You may have been thinking of "Persons of Color" rather than Black. But Persons of Color includes Asians. The percentage of Asians at UVA has gone from 8.4% in 1992 to 15% in 2018.

And the schools has grown a ton since the 90s. What are the actually numbers of students? I bet the 7% of today is a larger group than the 11% of 1992.

No. 1,427 black undergraduate students at UVA in 1992. 1,133 in 2018.

The UVA Class of 2023 includes 35 percent minority students, an increase from the 34 percent in the Class of 2022. If you include international students, the undergrad class is 40% minority.

Percentage of students that are black is going down.

Incorrect, per President James Ryan's statement at convocation last week, the percentage of black students increased for the class of 2023.

No. Just look at the real stats in the SCHEV website.

SCHEV, being a reporting service for the Commonwealth of Virginia, is always a year or two behind because it is reporting old statistics. The new UVA class of 2023 is the most diverse in the history of the school: "he Class of 2023 includes 35 percent minority students, an increase from the 34 percent in the Class of 2022. In particular, the African American population has increased from 6.5 percent to 6.8 percent". Please read: https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2019/07/class-of-2023-remains-academically-strongest-and-most-diverse-class-in-university-history

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Anonymous wrote:UVA condones Nazis marching on campus.

You're not worth responding to ,but of course UVA doesn't condone that. I was there that day with Teresa Sullivan. No one at UVA knew they alt.right group was going to try and parade through UVA. No one. And, of course, all the horrible stuff that followed was at a particular park where the alt. righters had a permit to protest the removal of a confederate statue. NO intelligent person at UVA thinks that there is any link. And UVA has done a tremendous amount of "good works" since then to make sure that UVA is black friendly. In fact, in the last two years, black admissions have reached record levels.

That is incorrect. In the Fall of 2018, Black students comprised 7.1% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. In the Fall of 1992, Black students comprised 11.5% of the undergraduate enrollment at UVA. Black enrollment as a percentage of overall undergraduate enrollment has been declining. Virginia's population is 19.2% Black, so UVA's enrollment percentage is significantly lower.

You may have been thinking of "Persons of Color" rather than Black. But Persons of Color includes Asians. The percentage of Asians at UVA has gone from 8.4% in 1992 to 15% in 2018.

And the schools has grown a ton since the 90s. What are the actually numbers of students? I bet the 7% of today is a larger group than the 11% of 1992.

No. 1,427 black undergraduate students at UVA in 1992. 1,133 in 2018.

The UVA Class of 2023 includes 35 percent minority students, an increase from the 34 percent in the Class of 2022. If you include international students, the undergrad class is 40% minority.

Percentage of students that are black is going down.

Incorrect, per President James Ryan's statement at convocation last week, the percentage of black students increased for the class of 2023.

No. Just look at the real stats in the SCHEV website.

SCHEV, being a reporting service for the Commonwealth of Virginia, is always a year or two behind because it is reporting old statistics. The new UVA class of 2023 is the most diverse in the history of the school: "he Class of 2023 includes 35 percent minority students, an increase from the 34 percent in the Class of 2022. In particular, the African American population has increased from 6.5 percent to 6.8 percent". Please read: https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2019/07/class-of-2023-remains-academically-strongest-and-most-diverse-class-in-university-history

In 1992, it was 11.5%. The percentage has been declining steadily over time while the population statewide has been holding steady on a percentage basis.

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In 1992, it was 11.5%. The percentage has been declining steadily over time while the population statewide has been holding steady on a percentage basis.

One more time: ten years ago, the categories changes. You can't compare numbers from 1992 and today. They were not collected in the same manner.

One more time again: you do not have the real number of black students. You just have the number that reported it.

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In 1992, it was 11.5%. The percentage has been declining steadily over time while the population statewide has been holding steady on a percentage basis.

One more time: ten years ago, the categories changes. You can't compare numbers from 1992 and today. They were not collected in the same manner.

One more time again: you do not have the real number of black students. You just have the number that reported it.[/quote]


+1. And the percentage of black students is up for class of 2023. Go talk to Jim Ryan if you don't believe me. I was there when he said it. 1992 is a utterly irrelevant in today's college world.

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In 1992, it was 11.5%. The percentage has been declining steadily over time while the population statewide has been holding steady on a percentage basis.

One more time: ten years ago, the categories changes. You can't compare numbers from 1992 and today. They were not collected in the same manner.

One more time again: you do not have the real number of black students. You just have the number that reported it.[/quote]


+1. And the percentage of black students is up for class of 2023. Go talk to Jim Ryan if you don't believe me. I was there when he said it. 1992 is a utterly irrelevant in today's college world.

So you are saying the percentage is irrelevant because it is self-reported and the methodology has changed, but then you appeal to the authority of Jim Ryan who cites a slight increase in the percentage from 2018 to 2019.

During the time period when there was no "Multi-race" option, 1992 to 2009, there was a 23% drop in the percentage of students that reported as black. Since that time, 2010 to 2018, there has been an additional 6.5% decline in the percentage of students that report as black.

In 2018, UVA had only 6.5% of first time undergraduates identify as black. Contrast that with the 2010 census (where multi-race was an option), where 19.4% of the population identified as black (2000 was 19.6% and 1990 was 18.8%).

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In 1992, it was 11.5%. The percentage has been declining steadily over time while the population statewide has been holding steady on a percentage basis.

One more time: ten years ago, the categories changes. You can't compare numbers from 1992 and today. They were not collected in the same manner.

One more time again: you do not have the real number of black students. You just have the number that reported it.[/quote]


+1. And the percentage of black students is up for class of 2023. Go talk to Jim Ryan if you don't believe me. I was there when he said it. 1992 is a utterly irrelevant in today's college world.

So you are saying the percentage is irrelevant because it is self-reported and the methodology has changed, but then you appeal to the authority of Jim Ryan who cites a slight increase in the percentage from 2018 to 2019.

During the time period when there was no "Multi-race" option, 1992 to 2009, there was a 23% drop in the percentage of students that reported as black. Since that time, 2010 to 2018, there has been an additional 6.5% decline in the percentage of students that report as black.

In 2018, UVA had only 6.5% of first time undergraduates identify as black. Contrast that with the 2010 census (where multi-race was an option), where 19.4% of the population identified as black (2000 was 19.6% and 1990 was 18.8%).

You're talking to several different people. For some reason you want to run down UVA and African Americans. Are you a UMD or Va Tech student? Per wiki: "The University of Virginia has also been recognized for consistently having the highest African American graduation rate among national public universities.[132][133][134][135] According to the Fall 2005 issue of Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, UVA "has the highest black student graduation rate of the Public Ivies" and "by far the most impressive is the University of Virginia with its high black student graduation rate and its small racial difference in graduation rates."

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In 1992, it was 11.5%. The percentage has been declining steadily over time while the population statewide has been holding steady on a percentage basis.

One more time: ten years ago, the categories changes. You can't compare numbers from 1992 and today. They were not collected in the same manner.

One more time again: you do not have the real number of black students. You just have the number that reported it.[/quote]


+1. And the percentage of black students is up for class of 2023. Go talk to Jim Ryan if you don't believe me. I was there when he said it. 1992 is a utterly irrelevant in today's college world.

So you are saying the percentage is irrelevant because it is self-reported and the methodology has changed, but then you appeal to the authority of Jim Ryan who cites a slight increase in the percentage from 2018 to 2019.

During the time period when there was no "Multi-race" option, 1992 to 2009, there was a 23% drop in the percentage of students that reported as black. Since that time, 2010 to 2018, there has been an additional 6.5% decline in the percentage of students that report as black.

In 2018, UVA had only 6.5% of first time undergraduates identify as black. Contrast that with the 2010 census (where multi-race was an option), where 19.4% of the population identified as black (2000 was 19.6% and 1990 was 18.8%).

You're talking to several different people. For some reason you want to run down UVA and African Americans. Are you a UMD or Va Tech student? Per wiki: "The University of Virginia has also been recognized for consistently having the highest African American graduation rate among national public universities.[132][133][134][135] According to the Fall 2005 issue of Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, UVA "has the highest black student graduation rate of the Public Ivies" and "by far the most impressive is the University of Virginia with its high black student graduation rate and its small racial difference in graduation rates."

No. I just want people to get facts straight, and you are comparing apples and oranges with your quote above.

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Why can't you smart people figure out how to use the "quote" feature correctly?

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So you are saying the percentage is irrelevant because it is self-reported and the methodology has changed, but then you appeal to the authority of Jim Ryan who cites a slight increase in the percentage from 2018 to 2019.

During the time period when there was no "Multi-race" option, 1992 to 2009, there was a 23% drop in the percentage of students that reported as black. Since that time, 2010 to 2018, there has been an additional 6.5% decline in the percentage of students that report as black.

In 2018, UVA had only 6.5% of first time undergraduates identify as black. Contrast that with the 2010 census (where multi-race was an option), where 19.4% of the population identified as black (2000 was 19.6% and 1990 was 18.8%).

I'm a previous poster who explained that the government changed how data bout race/ethnicity is collected ten years ago. I did not reference the President of UVA. I was merely pointing out that NONE of this data is complete because it relies on self-reporting upon application.

Despite the fact that white people think students of color waltz into every colleges, there is a fear among some in those communities that their race/ethnicity is a negative factor and they don't answer the option question.

If you really understand statistics, you know to look at how data is collected and you know that even the numbers aren't perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you smart people figure out how to use the "quote" feature correctly?

Now that's funny!

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you smart people figure out how to use the "quote" feature correctly?

Perhaps more important to get the facts and logic right.

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So you are saying the percentage is irrelevant because it is self-reported and the methodology has changed, but then you appeal to the authority of Jim Ryan who cites a slight increase in the percentage from 2018 to 2019.

During the time period when there was no "Multi-race" option, 1992 to 2009, there was a 23% drop in the percentage of students that reported as black. Since that time, 2010 to 2018, there has been an additional 6.5% decline in the percentage of students that report as black.

In 2018, UVA had only 6.5% of first time undergraduates identify as black. Contrast that with the 2010 census (where multi-race was an option), where 19.4% of the population identified as black (2000 was 19.6% and 1990 was 18.8%).

I'm a previous poster who explained that the government changed how data bout race/ethnicity is collected ten years ago. I did not reference the President of UVA. I was merely pointing out that NONE of this data is complete because it relies on self-reporting upon application.

Despite the fact that white people think students of color waltz into every colleges, there is a fear among some in those communities that their race/ethnicity is a negative factor and they don't answer the option question.

If you really understand statistics, you know to look at how data is collected and you know that even the numbers aren't perfect.

Well, perhaps Jim Ryan should also be educated, because he referenced that data. Given your point, what I did is show that 1) the percentage of self-identifying black students is significantly lower than the percentage of self-identifying black residents of the state; and 2) the percentage has been going down over time regardless of the self-identification options available (see above).