Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person

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Anonymous wrote:When you say: Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person, you sound like you have some definite and final proof that Jesus was actually a real person. It is interesting. It is either you do not realize that there is to the date zero actual historical or archeological / anthropological facts or findings to poove the existence off Jesus as a person.

So basically Idians , Hindus that you have m et are actually right in the regard that we don't know.

Christians BELIEVE that Jesus was a real person but the belief and faith is a very different thing then actual historical facts and proofs.

Faith is not a proof but to a real believers those things make a very little difference. It is probably the same as with God in any religion. No religion has a proof that God exist per se, however they strongly believe that he does exist and nobody really needs much proof, aside from those who don't' believe in God.

Scholars at the time dismissed the idea that Jesus was not an actual person mainly because they believed it was held by people that were beyond reason. It’s still true!

Scholars do not dismiss ideas -- they study them - and they have studied Jesus a lot. Although some scholars think there is enough evidence to point to a 1st century Jewish teacher, no scholar would ever state that Jesus actually is the son of god or that there is proof of the miracles that Jesus supposedly performed - because that is beyond the scope of scholars.

They deal strictly with facts and evidence - not miracles or anything outside of the natural world.

They dismiss people that support Jesus myths like yourself.

Scholars reject ideas once they've studied them and found them worthy of rejection. They do not "dismiss people."

[Anonymous]

Jesus
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Born c.?4 BC[a]
Judea, Roman Empire[5]
Died c.?AD 30 / 33[b]
(aged 33–36)
Jerusalem, Judea, Roman Empire
Cause of death Crucifixion[c]
Home town Nazareth, Galilee[11]
Parent(s)
MaryJoseph[d]
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Jesus[e] (c.?4 BC – c.?AD 30 / 33), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ,[f] was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader.[12] He is the central figure of Christianity, and is widely described as the most influential person in history.[13] Most Christians believe he is the incarnation of God the Son and the awaited Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament.[14][15]

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[g]

Jesus also figures in non-Christian religions. In Islam, Jesus (commonly transliterated as Isa) is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah.[39][40][41] Muslims believe Jesus was a bringer of scripture and was born of a virgin, but was not the son of God. The Quran states that Jesus never claimed divinity.[42] Most Muslims do not believe that he was crucified, but that he was physically raised into Heaven by God. In contrast, Judaism rejects the belief that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, arguing that he did not fulfill Messianic prophecies, and was neither divine nor resurrected.[43]

[Anonymous]

The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.

[Anonymous]

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Jesus
Cefalù Pantocrator retouched.jpg
Christ Pantocrator mosaic in Byzantine style, from Cefalù Cathedral, Sicily, c. 1130
Born c.?4 BC[a]
Judea, Roman Empire[5]
Died c.?AD 30 / 33[b]
(aged 33–36)
Jerusalem, Judea, Roman Empire
Cause of death Crucifixion[c]
Home town Nazareth, Galilee[11]
Parent(s)
MaryJoseph[d]
Part of a series on
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Jesus in Christianity[show]
Jesus in Islam[show]
Background[show]
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Jesus[e] (c.?4 BC – c.?AD 30 / 33), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ,[f] was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader.[12] He is the central figure of Christianity, and is widely described as the most influential person in history.[13] Most Christians believe he is the incarnation of God the Son and the awaited Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament.[14][15]

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[g]

Jesus also figures in non-Christian religions. In Islam, Jesus (commonly transliterated as Isa) is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah.[39][40][41] Muslims believe Jesus was a bringer of scripture and was born of a virgin, but was not the son of God. The Quran states that Jesus never claimed divinity.[42] Most Muslims do not believe that he was crucified, but that he was physically raised into Heaven by God. In contrast, Judaism rejects the belief that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, arguing that he did not fulfill Messianic prophecies, and was neither divine nor resurrected.[43]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

Where do people get this?

The gospels claim (in a story that really DOES look like a legend) that he was well versed in Torah.

No Jewish source backs this.

There are Jewish rabbinic texts that say he was a magician - they appear to accept the Christian miracle stories, but give a non divine explanation.

They were written well after the life Jesus. These idle stories are not "official" doctrine of any kind. Orthodox Jews have a range of opinions on Jesus. Modern non-Orthodox Jews (Rosenzweig excepted) basically accept the same secular scholarship about the historical Jesus that atheists do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.

The historicity of Jesus has NO bearing on any aspect of the Jewish faith. If we found out tomorrow that Jesus was a man who walked the gallilee giving parables, and was then crucified by Pilate - or if we learned that the gospel authors and Paul were reporting a legend - it would not effect the truth or falsity of any trend of Judaism.

Also please tell me which synogogue controls millions of people. Mine sometimes has trouble getting a prayer quorom on weekday mornings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.

Huh? The existence or not of Jesus has zero bearing on Judaism. I have no clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

Where do people get this?

The gospels claim (in a story that really DOES look like a legend) that he was well versed in Torah.

No Jewish source backs this.

There are Jewish rabbinic texts that say he was a magician - they appear to accept the Christian miracle stories, but give a non divine explanation.

They were written well after the life Jesus. These idle stories are not "official" doctrine of any kind. Orthodox Jews have a range of opinions on Jesus. Modern non-Orthodox Jews (Rosenzweig excepted) basically accept the same secular scholarship about the historical Jesus that atheists do.

They're making it up -- or they hear it in Church from their pastor or from TV evangelists and believe whatever they're told.

THere's certainly nothing about Jesus in any of the Jewish holy books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.

The historicity of Jesus has NO bearing on any aspect of the Jewish faith. If we found out tomorrow that Jesus was a man who walked the gallilee giving parables, and was then crucified by Pilate - or if we learned that the gospel authors and Paul were reporting a legend - it would not effect the truth or falsity of any trend of Judaism.

Also please tell me which synogogue controls millions of people. Mine sometimes has trouble getting a prayer quorom on weekday mornings.

Seriously. And PP, don't talk about Israeli political control because it's completely different from Judaism as a religion.

There are only 15-17 million Jews in the world and we have no central authority. Pretty hard to do the mind-control you're referring to with the level of decentralization we've ended up having, largely as a result of persistent attempts by others to exterminate us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Jesus
Cefalù Pantocrator retouched.jpg
Christ Pantocrator mosaic in Byzantine style, from Cefalù Cathedral, Sicily, c. 1130
Born c.?4 BC[a]
Judea, Roman Empire[5]
Died c.?AD 30 / 33
(aged 33–36)
Jerusalem, Judea, Roman Empire
Cause of death Crucifixion[c]
Home town Nazareth, Galilee[11]
Parent(s)
MaryJoseph[d]
Part of a series on
Jesus
Jesus in Christianity[show]
Jesus in Islam[show]
Background[show]
Jesus in history[show]
Perspectives on Jesus[show]
Jesus in culture[show]
P christianity.svg Christianity portal
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[b]Wikipedia book Book:Jesus
vte
Jesus[e] (c.?4 BC – c.?AD 30 / 33), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ,[f] was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader.[12] He is the central figure of Christianity, and is widely described as the most influential person in history.[13] Most Christians believe he is the incarnation of God the Son and the awaited Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament.[14][15]

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[g]

Jesus also figures in non-Christian religions. In Islam, Jesus (commonly transliterated as Isa) is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah.[39][40][41] Muslims believe Jesus was a bringer of scripture and was born of a virgin, but was not the son of God. The Quran states that Jesus never claimed divinity.[42] Most Muslims do not believe that he was crucified, but that he was physically raised into Heaven by God. In contrast, Judaism rejects the belief that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, arguing that he did not fulfill Messianic prophecies, and was neither divine nor resurrected.[43]

Please post the link where this info was copied from

Looks like wikipedia - some portions were removed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.

I stand corrected with regards to Judaism and Jesus. My apologies.

That said, my statement still remains for Christians and Muslims. Their religions, with their legions of followers and mandatory 'donations', need Jesus to have been a real person. If they didn't have him they wouldn't have rock to stand on and they certainly couldn't justify their need to convert others which would hinder their numbers, their agenda, their votes and their pocketbook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.

Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.

I stand corrected with regards to Judaism and Jesus. My apologies.

That said, my statement still remains for Christians and Muslims. Their religions, with their legions of followers and mandatory 'donations', need Jesus to have been a real person. If they didn't have him they wouldn't have rock to stand on and they certainly couldn't justify their need to convert others which would hinder their numbers, their agenda, their votes and their pocketbook.

How is Jesus relevant to Muslims? You have a lot to learn about religions.

[Anonymous]

Hindus consider Jesus to be an avatar or a sadhu. Paramahansa Yogananda, an Indian guru, taught that Jesus was the reincarnation of Elisha and a student of John the Baptist, the reincarnation of Elijah.

[Anonymous]

A major figure in Islam,[39][41] Jesus (commonly transliterated as ??s?) is considered to be a messenger of God (Allah) and the Messiah (al-Masih) who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (Bani Isra'il) with a new scripture, the Gospel (referred to in Islam as Injil).[40][420] Muslims regard the gospels of the New Testament as inauthentic, and believe that Jesus' original message was lost or altered and that Muhammad came later to restore it.[421] Belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is a requirement for being a Muslim.[422] The Quran mentions Jesus by name 25 times—more often than Muhammad[423][424]—and emphasizes that Jesus was a mortal human who, like all other prophets, had been divinely chosen to spread God's message.[425]