Oyster and bancroft feed to McFarland

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

The person who raised Eastern here is a disgruntled Oyster parent who is scared of losing their feed to Wilson. Even though Roosevelt is closer to Adams than Wilson is (2.2 vs. 3.3 miles) and MacFarland is closer to Bancroft than Deal is (1.2 vs. 2.9 miles)

They cannot come up with a good argument for keeping the feeder pattern the way it is (because "I want it!" is not a good argument, and uniting bilingual schools, reducing commutes, and managing Wilson's enrollment are things most people support) so they've come up with a non sequitur about Deal and Eastern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

The person who raised Eastern here is a disgruntled Oyster parent who is scared of losing their feed to Wilson. Even though Roosevelt is closer to Adams than Wilson is (2.2 vs. 3.3 miles) and MacFarland is closer to Bancroft than Deal is (1.2 vs. 2.9 miles)

They cannot come up with a good argument for keeping the feeder pattern the way it is (because "I want it!" is not a good argument, and uniting bilingual schools, reducing commutes, and managing Wilson's enrollment are things most people support) so they've come up with a non sequitur about Deal and Eastern.

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Anonymous wrote:If your best responses to an idea are "it's not going to happen" and "instead you should do a completely ludicrous thing" you have probably realized that the idea could be compelling to decisionmakers.

You don't have to like it--most people who've been zoned out of Wilson didn't like that--but not everyone can go to Wilson, and it makes sense for the schools furthest from Wilson to go to schools that are closer.

In addition to Oyster and Bancroft going to Roosevelt, DCPS should also end the rule that OOB kids can continue along the feeder pattern past the terminal grade of the school they lotteried into. Those two changes alone would solve overcrowding--and allow for OOB spots at Wilson to be distributed through the lottery, so OA families would still have a chance at attending.

Dear PP, why are you so defensive?

I don't find the Deal --?Eastern idea ludicrous at all.

Please take the time to consider it, and to respond with arguments. If not, I'm afraid you have none and this is the kind of masterstroke that brave DC policy makers could well embrace.

Having Deal feed into Eastern would, at the same time:
-- alleviate Wilson's overcrowding for decades to come
-- give Eastern a chance to succeed, to become a great city-wide high school
-- help end decades if not centuries of segregation
-- teach Deal students very important socio-emotional skills
-- open up capacity in Wilson for a lottery offering spots to kids impacted by the opioid crisis

I know there are some arguments against, but frankly they are pretty petty compared to the awesome vision right above.

If you cannot see the difference between sending kids to a school that is closer to them than their current school vs. sending kids to a school that is further away, and you cannot see the difference between feeding all elementary schools with the same curriculum to a single middle and high school that have room to accommodate them versus what you've "proposed" then I don't really know how to help you. But you are not making a serious proposal here. You are just making the best argument you can against your kid going somewhere other than Wilson--it's just a bad argument. And I get it. You like the option of Wilson. But at some point DCPS is going to realize that not all kids with rights to Wilson will fit there, and they will start making tough choices.

Closer to whom? Wilson is 2.5 miles from Oyster. Roosevelt is 3.1 miles from Oyster. You are loud and wrong.

Would you mind looking up the distance between the SE boundary of Deal and Eastern High?

I bet it's less than 3.1 miles.

I’m the person who posted the distance between Oyster and the two high schools. I haven’t posted anything about Eastern HS. The fact remains that Oyster is closer to Wilson than Roosevelt.

And Adams is closer to Roosevelt than to Wilson. Maybe keeping Adams and having it feed to Roosevelt is a good compromise. Bancroft could go to MacFarland (which is closer to them than Deal) and then on to Roosevelt as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

The person who raised Eastern here is a disgruntled Oyster parent who is scared of losing their feed to Wilson. Even though Roosevelt is closer to Adams than Wilson is (2.2 vs. 3.3 miles) and MacFarland is closer to Bancroft than Deal is (1.2 vs. 2.9 miles)

They cannot come up with a good argument for keeping the feeder pattern the way it is (because "I want it!" is not a good argument, and uniting bilingual schools, reducing commutes, and managing Wilson's enrollment are things most people support) so they've come up with a non sequitur about Deal and Eastern.

NP. Facts matter:

Wilson is 2.5 miles from Oyster, and Roosevelt is 3.1 miles from Oyster. Therefore, based on distance alone, Adams should and will retain its feed to Wilson.

Oyster on Calvert Street is the starting point from where you should measure the distance. It's the primary campus, and has been so for almost 45 years. Adams became the second campus in 2007.

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Anonymous wrote:If your best responses to an idea are "it's not going to happen" and "instead you should do a completely ludicrous thing" you have probably realized that the idea could be compelling to decisionmakers.

You don't have to like it--most people who've been zoned out of Wilson didn't like that--but not everyone can go to Wilson, and it makes sense for the schools furthest from Wilson to go to schools that are closer.

In addition to Oyster and Bancroft going to Roosevelt, DCPS should also end the rule that OOB kids can continue along the feeder pattern past the terminal grade of the school they lotteried into. Those two changes alone would solve overcrowding--and allow for OOB spots at Wilson to be distributed through the lottery, so OA families would still have a chance at attending.

Dear PP, why are you so defensive?

I don't find the Deal --?Eastern idea ludicrous at all.

Please take the time to consider it, and to respond with arguments. If not, I'm afraid you have none and this is the kind of masterstroke that brave DC policy makers could well embrace.

Having Deal feed into Eastern would, at the same time:
-- alleviate Wilson's overcrowding for decades to come
-- give Eastern a chance to succeed, to become a great city-wide high school
-- help end decades if not centuries of segregation
-- teach Deal students very important socio-emotional skills
-- open up capacity in Wilson for a lottery offering spots to kids impacted by the opioid crisis

I know there are some arguments against, but frankly they are pretty petty compared to the awesome vision right above.

If you cannot see the difference between sending kids to a school that is closer to them than their current school vs. sending kids to a school that is further away, and you cannot see the difference between feeding all elementary schools with the same curriculum to a single middle and high school that have room to accommodate them versus what you've "proposed" then I don't really know how to help you. But you are not making a serious proposal here. You are just making the best argument you can against your kid going somewhere other than Wilson--it's just a bad argument. And I get it. You like the option of Wilson. But at some point DCPS is going to realize that not all kids with rights to Wilson will fit there, and they will start making tough choices.

Closer to whom? Wilson is 2.5 miles from Oyster. Roosevelt is 3.1 miles from Oyster. You are loud and wrong.

Would you mind looking up the distance between the SE boundary of Deal and Eastern High?

I bet it's less than 3.1 miles.

I’m the person who posted the distance between Oyster and the two high schools. I haven’t posted anything about Eastern HS. The fact remains that Oyster is closer to Wilson than Roosevelt.

And Adams is closer to Roosevelt than to Wilson. Maybe keeping Adams and having it feed to Roosevelt is a good compromise. Bancroft could go to MacFarland (which is closer to them than Deal) and then on to Roosevelt as well.

The compromise was when Oyster lost its dual feeder rights to Deal. Oyster is not losing Adams, nor its feeder rights to Wilson. I'm not going to debate you on this matter. Just wait and see.

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

The person who raised Eastern here is a disgruntled Oyster parent who is scared of losing their feed to Wilson. Even though Roosevelt is closer to Adams than Wilson is (2.2 vs. 3.3 miles) and MacFarland is closer to Bancroft than Deal is (1.2 vs. 2.9 miles)

They cannot come up with a good argument for keeping the feeder pattern the way it is (because "I want it!" is not a good argument, and uniting bilingual schools, reducing commutes, and managing Wilson's enrollment are things most people support) so they've come up with a non sequitur about Deal and Eastern.

NP. Facts matter:

Wilson is 2.5 miles from Oyster, and Roosevelt is 3.1 miles from Oyster. Therefore, based on distance alone, Adams should and will retain its feed to Wilson.

Oyster on Calvert Street is the starting point from where you should measure the distance. It's the primary campus, and has been so for almost 45 years. Adams became the second campus in 2007.

Thanks for the refresher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

I'm sure that there are some kids living 50 steps from Eastern yet commute to Deal/ Wilson.

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What year does Crestwood lose IB status for Deal/Wilson? Now that’s a ridiculous commute considering they can walk to MacFarland/Roosevelt. It will be interesting to see how many parents, if any, enroll their children at MacFarland.

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

I'm sure that there are some kids living 50 steps from Eastern yet commute to Deal/ Wilson.

And so...?

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

I'm sure that there are some kids living 50 steps from Eastern yet commute to Deal/ Wilson.

And so...?

If it makes sense for the city at large, I'd say that Deal feeding into Eastern HS is much worth considering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

The person who raised Eastern here is a disgruntled Oyster parent who is scared of losing their feed to Wilson. Even though Roosevelt is closer to Adams than Wilson is (2.2 vs. 3.3 miles) and MacFarland is closer to Bancroft than Deal is (1.2 vs. 2.9 miles)

They cannot come up with a good argument for keeping the feeder pattern the way it is (because "I want it!" is not a good argument, and uniting bilingual schools, reducing commutes, and managing Wilson's enrollment are things most people support) so they've come up with a non sequitur about Deal and Eastern.

Actually, Oyster parents reading this thread aren't in the least "scared." DCUM doesn't dictate or influence policy for DCPS, so the fact that parents on DCUM periodically come up with a variety of crazy schemes to change Oyster's status and feeder patterns (make Oyster Adams a charter, make Oyster and Adams both elementary schools, feed Adams to Cardozo, feed Adams to Roosevelt, etc.) isn't particularly important to us or to anyone else.

Have a nice day!

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

I'm sure that there are some kids living 50 steps from Eastern yet commute to Deal/ Wilson.

And so...?

If it makes sense for the city at large, I'd say that Deal feeding into Eastern HS is much worth considering.

But it actually doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So someone living 50 steps from Deal would commute to Eastern?

The person who raised Eastern here is a disgruntled Oyster parent who is scared of losing their feed to Wilson. Even though Roosevelt is closer to Adams than Wilson is (2.2 vs. 3.3 miles) and MacFarland is closer to Bancroft than Deal is (1.2 vs. 2.9 miles)

They cannot come up with a good argument for keeping the feeder pattern the way it is (because "I want it!" is not a good argument, and uniting bilingual schools, reducing commutes, and managing Wilson's enrollment are things most people support) so they've come up with a non sequitur about Deal and Eastern.

Actually, Oyster parents reading this thread aren't in the least "scared." DCUM doesn't dictate or influence policy for DCPS, so the fact that parents on DCUM periodically come up with a variety of crazy schemes to change Oyster's status and feeder patterns (make Oyster Adams a charter, make Oyster and Adams both elementary schools, feed Adams to Cardozo, feed Adams to Roosevelt, etc.) isn't particularly important to us or to anyone else.

Have a nice day!

I say, why not make Oyster-Adams a massive escape room?

We need more of those. And there are too many schools already...

[Anonymous]

I don’t think creating geographic proximity is the main objective of DCPS. The majority of people reject it ( hence the high Out-of-bounds and charter percentages). And they reject it because a good education shouldn’t be dependent on your zip code. So how close a school is to the tenth of a mile is irrelevant.

Engaged parents want schools where there are other engaged families. Unfortunately these families aren’t evenly distributed across the city and they can’t all fit in Ward 3 schools. If you want MacFarland or another middle school to be a viable Deal alternative you need to encourage a large number of educated engaged families to make the move. Sending Bancroft, a Tiitle 1 school that’s majority first generation families, to MacFarland won’t create that tipping point. There simply aren’t enough of those families to affect MacFarland and the few that exist won’t likely make the move since they know there won’t be a large cohort there.

Change needs to be big to make a difference. Moving a giant school like Lafayette that is full of engaged families could actually make a difference though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think creating geographic proximity is the main objective of DCPS. The majority of people reject it ( hence the high Out-of-bounds and charter percentages). And they reject it because a good education shouldn’t be dependent on your zip code. So how close a school is to the tenth of a mile is irrelevant.

Engaged parents want schools where there are other engaged families. Unfortunately these families aren’t evenly distributed across the city and they can’t all fit in Ward 3 schools. If you want MacFarland or another middle school to be a viable Deal alternative you need to encourage a large number of educated engaged families to make the move. Sending Bancroft, a Tiitle 1 school that’s majority first generation families, to MacFarland won’t create that tipping point. There simply aren’t enough of those families to affect MacFarland and the few that exist won’t likely make the move since they know there won’t be a large cohort there.

Change needs to be big to make a difference. Moving a giant school like Lafayette that is full of engaged families could actually make a difference though.

Bancroft is only 38% at-risk. Oyster is only 11% at-risk. http://dcpsdatacenter.com/fy18_amended.html

Moving both of those schools to MacFarland and Roosevelt together would make a notable difference in the at-risk percentage of those schools.