Oyster and bancroft feed to McFarland

[Anonymous]

NP. Those of you who are earnestly criticizing the modest proposal of Deal feeding to Eastern may want to Google Jonathan Swift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d suggest all the OOB kids at Deal/Wilson will have to feed to Coolidge middle and high.

If you don’t like it, go to your neighborhood schools.

Ending OOB feeder rights would also be a huge improvement. If you get into a school OOB, you get to go to that school. Not the middle and high school it feeds into. This would really help my IB elementary school (not a Wilson feeder) where the more involved/prepared/educated/etc. parents play the lottery each year in hopes of getting into a Wilson feeder. If they had an equal shot at an OOB slot at Deal or Wilson as the people who won the lottery in kindergarten, they'd be more likely to stay IB for elementary.

Also, right now if you move to DC with an older kid, it's basically impossible to get into Deal or Wilson OOB--the OOB slots are full of kids who won the elementary lottery years before.

I raised this in the last boundary process and the DME said flat-out she didn't want the pushback from people who'd won OOB spaces in kindergarten and believed that gave them a right to attend all the way through 12th. Hopefully the next boundary and assignment process will come to a different conclusion.

But I also think Bancroft and Oyster should feed to MacFarland and Roosevelt, with Adams providing additional elementary space.

I'm not really following this argument that ending OOB feeder right would help. Most Wilson feeders , except perhaps Eaton and Hyde, don't have much OOB presence.

Oyster is 48% IB, Murch is 77% IB, Stoddert is 80% IB, Lafayette 86%, Janney is 92%. If you add up all the OOB kids at all the schools, it's a few hundred kids. It's not the only solution, but it's part of the solution.

This is a mean solution and as such it is not politically viable. Keeping friends together through school is important. If Oyster is only 48% IB then maybe they should open up and be a dual language school and capture more of the kids in Dupont and Foggy Bottom - be a valve for Francis Stephens Middle school which will be over enrolled in 5 years.

Funny lady, O-A is already over enrolled today.

And only the ZOO goes around "capturing" kids.

If a school that is supposed to be a "neighborhood school" has less than half it kids coming from inbounds, and there is a nearby school about to burst with inbound kids, then it would make sense to alleviate that pressure with the available resource. And it seems that the middle school campus of Oyster Adams is only 48% in boundary kids.

You clearly don't understand the O-A model and why it has thrived for decades.

By design the school tries to have 50% Spanish dominant kids and 50% English dominant. That helps both groups become fully bilingual and biliterate.

Since most in-boundary kids are English dominant, by definition the school has to look for OOB Spanish dom kids, through a lottery.

Try to understand things that work and replicate them, don't break them.

[Anonymous]

12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

Not at all.

It demonstrates exactly why you can't make up random proposals without understanding what's going on.

No one prevents you from doing the legwork to open a new bilingual school using whatever approach you can justify. Learn from what OA has accomplished, and sure try to do it better if you can.

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Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

+1.

And let me add that there's plenty of inbound Spanish-dominant families like us, who have made the sacrifice to live in an expensive apartment nearby so our kids can attend the school.

It's funny to me when OOB English-parents like first one above somehow believe they are more entitled than us to tell us how to run this quite unique school. Go fix your own problems folks, not create new ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

+1.

And let me add that there's plenty of inbound Spanish-dominant families like us, who have made the sacrifice to live in an expensive apartment nearby so our kids can attend the school.

It's funny to me when OOB English-parents like first one above somehow believe they are more entitled than us to tell us how to run this quite unique school. Go fix your own problems folks, not create new ones.

You don't run it. DCPS does, under mayoral control, and we all get to elect the mayor. OA is part of a school system, not a standalone. If you want an independent school, send your kid to an independent (private) school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

+1.

And let me add that there's plenty of inbound Spanish-dominant families like us, who have made the sacrifice to live in an expensive apartment nearby so our kids can attend the school.

It's funny to me when OOB English-parents like first one above somehow believe they are more entitled than us to tell us how to run this quite unique school. Go fix your own problems folks, not create new ones.

You don't run it. DCPS does, under mayoral control, and we all get to elect the mayor. OA is part of a school system, not a standalone. If you want an independent school, send your kid to an independent (private) school.

I see. You prefer the totalitarian Soviet state where someone at the top ran everything, and those at the bottom could just blindly follow, or emigrate, or be shot.

Newsflash for you: we don't live in such a system. We live in a democracy with established laws and processes and respect for local communities. You sound like a clown to me, and I'll attribute that to your youth and inexperience

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

+1.

And let me add that there's plenty of inbound Spanish-dominant families like us, who have made the sacrifice to live in an expensive apartment nearby so our kids can attend the school.

It's funny to me when OOB English-parents like first one above somehow believe they are more entitled than us to tell us how to run this quite unique school. Go fix your own problems folks, not create new ones.

You don't run it. DCPS does, under mayoral control, and we all get to elect the mayor. OA is part of a school system, not a standalone. If you want an independent school, send your kid to an independent (private) school.

I see. You prefer the totalitarian Soviet state where someone at the top ran everything, and those at the bottom could just blindly follow, or emigrate, or be shot.

Newsflash for you: we don't live in such a system. We live in a democracy with established laws and processes and respect for local communities. You sound like a clown to me, and I'll attribute that to your youth and inexperience

No need for such dramatic language. If DCPS decided to change Oyster's programming it could; no established law would protect it. They would need to pay some lip service to local desires, give the ANC time to weigh in on the plan, but they can move ahead.

Pay attention to what happened to eaton being shifted to Hardy for MS, to DCPS moving Banneker to what was supposed to be a forthcoming Shaw middle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Those of you who are earnestly criticizing the modest proposal of Deal feeding to Eastern may want to Google Jonathan Swift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

+1.

And let me add that there's plenty of inbound Spanish-dominant families like us, who have made the sacrifice to live in an expensive apartment nearby so our kids can attend the school.

It's funny to me when OOB English-parents like first one above somehow believe they are more entitled than us to tell us how to run this quite unique school. Go fix your own problems folks, not create new ones.

You don't run it. DCPS does, under mayoral control, and we all get to elect the mayor. OA is part of a school system, not a standalone. If you want an independent school, send your kid to an independent (private) school.

I see. You prefer the totalitarian Soviet state where someone at the top ran everything, and those at the bottom could just blindly follow, or emigrate, or be shot.

Newsflash for you: we don't live in such a system. We live in a democracy with established laws and processes and respect for local communities. You sound like a clown to me, and I'll attribute that to your youth and inexperience

No need for such dramatic language. If DCPS decided to change Oyster's programming it could; no established law would protect it. They would need to pay some lip service to local desires, give the ANC time to weigh in on the plan, but they can move ahead.

Pay attention to what happened to eaton being shifted to Hardy for MS, to DCPS moving Banneker to what was supposed to be a forthcoming Shaw middle.

I assume you're one of the Deal --> Eastern proponents, for the same reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:36 demonstrates exactly why all DCPS dual language programs should be city-wide lottery schools.

Dual language programs should not be "neighborhood" by right schools with 50% OOB students because the building is not located where most people speaking the target language can afford to live.

As DC continues to become more expensive, many Hispanics will move to more affordable neighborhoods. Are you suggesting that dual immersion schools with a small number of IB Spanish speakers should pick up and move to neighborhoods with a larger Spanish speaking population? If so, that would be an extremely expensive, inefficient and stupid thing for DCPS to do.

Or DCPS can continue to do what it has done at Oyster. Oyster’s native English speaking students are overwhelmingly IB. It’s Spanish dominant lottery pretty much functions like a citywide lottery. Oyster’s native Spanish speaking students are willing and able to commute from all over DC. This system works for Oyster, and it should and will remain in place. If you want your child to attend Oyster, you need to be a native Spanish speaker, or you need to save up to move IB.

+1.

And let me add that there's plenty of inbound Spanish-dominant families like us, who have made the sacrifice to live in an expensive apartment nearby so our kids can attend the school.

It's funny to me when OOB English-parents like first one above somehow believe they are more entitled than us to tell us how to run this quite unique school. Go fix your own problems folks, not create new ones.

You don't run it. DCPS does, under mayoral control, and we all get to elect the mayor. OA is part of a school system, not a standalone. If you want an independent school, send your kid to an independent (private) school.

I see. You prefer the totalitarian Soviet state where someone at the top ran everything, and those at the bottom could just blindly follow, or emigrate, or be shot.

Newsflash for you: we don't live in such a system. We live in a democracy with established laws and processes and respect for local communities. You sound like a clown to me, and I'll attribute that to your youth and inexperience

No need for such dramatic language. If DCPS decided to change Oyster's programming it could; no established law would protect it. They would need to pay some lip service to local desires, give the ANC time to weigh in on the plan, but they can move ahead.

Pay attention to what happened to eaton being shifted to Hardy for MS, to DCPS moving Banneker to what was supposed to be a forthcoming Shaw middle.

Quick history lesson for those of you pushing this ill-informed agenda to change O-A: Oyster has existed as a dual immersion neighborhood school for about 45 years. It’s the first public dual immersion school in DC. If DCPS was going to close/move/make it a citywide magnet, that would have happened in the late 90s when Oyster’s original building was crumbling and in disrepair. At the time, the school was not particularly sought after by IB families (see crumbling building). After a grassroots effort by Oyster parents, and a public-private partnership, Oyster received a brand new building, increased IB enrollment and neighborhood support. That school is and will remain a neighborhood school for IB families.

As someone mentioned above, if you want your children to attend Oyster, MOVE IB. Stop trying to create problems because you don’t know how to save/make money to afford to move IB.

[Anonymous]

so - Oyster is for those who can afford its neighborhood. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:so - Oyster is for those who can afford its neighborhood. Got it.

Correction: Oyster is for native Spanish speaking students who win the school lottery and/or IB students who have parents “who can afford its neighborhood.” If that’s not you, there are other dual immersion schools available.

[Anonymous]

OA can remain a neighborhood school if you wish.

But what I am saying is that if the city cares about equity and access and fair resource allocation, ALL dual language programs in the city should be city-wide schools, with entrance via lottery.

The city has changed a LOT in 45 years, and even since the Oyster building was renovated 20 years ago. What made sense 2-4 generations ago may not make sense now.