How has MoCo declined since you’ve lived here?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think I win in terms of length of time in MoCo. My parents moved to Wheaton in 1959, when I was 1. Our first neighborhood was a mix of working class families (with the Dads having completed high school) and professional middle class families (with Dads having completed college). The homes were all single family 3-bedroom, 1-bath homes with a car in every driveway.

By 1970, we moved into an upper-middle class Wheaton neighborhood, with five- and six-bedroom houses, walking distance to a country club and near the horse stables. Our parents were all college grads, and kids all took tennis and golf lessons at the club (and the more adventurous of us took riding lessons). Some went to private school, but most went to the perfectly decent public school.

My parents still live in that house, now almost 50 years later. Multiple (probably illegal) immigrant families double and triple up, and there are five and six cars in front of many houses. The country club is long gone, for sure. The high school is more than 70% FARMS, a very high percentage ESOL, and is rated dead last in the county, at a 3. Because of that, you can pick up a 3,000 SF house for around $400k. The nearby strip shopping center is full of trash, empty liquor bottles, and sometimes dirty diapers.

So my area of MoCo has gone downhill, waaaaaay downhill.



Let me guess. You're white?

Wow, I'm soooo sorry your wealthy Country Club suburb has been infested by brown people.
And notice how PP describes her ideal MoCo as full of single (probably white) family homes where DADS (as opposed to Moms) were educated and brought home the bacon. Were there wives all June Cleavers who stayed home vacuuming in pearls?

Why don't we build a wall and keep all the immigrants and brown people out and keep your 1950s fantasy world in? #MAGA.
And you people think Elrich is the NIMBY. smh.

+100
Anonymous
With an exception of very rich Potomac/CC/Bethesda areas, the whole county has gone down significantly. I mean SIGNIFICANTLY!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The very smartest kids are in Montgomery that's why it's 36-4 against nova in its academic the last 40 years.


This is an incoherent mess of a post. What was that about how strong MoCo schools are, again?

They are the strongest in the area, hence the domination. It's not even close. ..

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-takes-first-place-in-ranking-on-college-preparedness-stem-career-readiness/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/index.aspx?pagetype=showrelease&id=8161&type=&startYear=&pageNumber=&mode=


SAT scores aren’t the best. May have most misleading press releases.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The best schools in the area. Most diverse county
What more can you ask?


what if I don't value diversity?
Anonymous
2018 average SAT scores are another measure of MoCo's decline:

Fairfax 1213
Arlington 1191
Montgomery 1167
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think I win in terms of length of time in MoCo. My parents moved to Wheaton in 1959, when I was 1. Our first neighborhood was a mix of working class families (with the Dads having completed high school) and professional middle class families (with Dads having completed college). The homes were all single family 3-bedroom, 1-bath homes with a car in every driveway.

By 1970, we moved into an upper-middle class Wheaton neighborhood, with five- and six-bedroom houses, walking distance to a country club and near the horse stables. Our parents were all college grads, and kids all took tennis and golf lessons at the club (and the more adventurous of us took riding lessons). Some went to private school, but most went to the perfectly decent public school.

My parents still live in that house, now almost 50 years later. Multiple (probably illegal) immigrant families double and triple up, and there are five and six cars in front of many houses. The country club is long gone, for sure. The high school is more than 70% FARMS, a very high percentage ESOL, and is rated dead last in the county, at a 3. Because of that, you can pick up a 3,000 SF house for around $400k. The nearby strip shopping center is full of trash, empty liquor bottles, and sometimes dirty diapers.

So my area of MoCo has gone downhill, waaaaaay downhill.


Let me guess. You're white?

Wow, I'm soooo sorry your wealthy Country Club suburb has been infested by brown people.
And notice how PP describes her ideal MoCo as full of single (probably white) family homes where DADS (as opposed to Moms) were educated and brought home the bacon. Were there wives all June Cleavers who stayed home vacuuming in pearls?

Why don't we build a wall and keep all the immigrants and brown people out and keep your 1950s fantasy world in? #MAGA.
And you people think Elrich is the NIMBY. smh.

First, I described it as the Dads working because that was what it was like when my parents moved in 50 years ago. It's. It is not what I would have wanted, or want now. Assumption on your part.

Second, stop with the "infested with brown people" racist nonsense. It's a lie liberals keep repeating rather than face the truth - that an influx of poor, unskilled people unable to support themselves and reliant on taxpayer support to feed their kids is coming at a big cost to Americans living near where they settle.

Third, I am sympathetic to the elderly people who bought these homes 50+ years ago and have seen a big portion of the equity dry up just as they are about to need it for assisted living. Why are you so sympathetic to illegal immigrants, and not elderly Americans who worked all their lives and now find their neighborhoods in decline?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The best schools in the area. Most diverse county
What more can you ask?


what if I don't value diversity?

Diversity for diversity's sake is not necessarily a plus. Otherwise, why don't we admit people with IQs in the 70 - 80 range to Harvard and relocate ex-cons into neighborhoods with low crime rates?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The best schools in the area. Most diverse county
What more can you ask?


When I grew up here in the 80s, it used to be that all the schools were of good or better quality. That's no longer true. The top echelon has remained the top, but the rest have fallen significantly.


False. Wheaton HS sucked in 80s after Peary closed. Wheaton has much improved since then.

But Kennedy has gone downhill bigtime. Used to be better than Wheaton, but now it's dead last.

The only thing I can figure is that most of the homes surrounding Wheaton are SFH (although mostly modest 40s and 50s builds), and there are hundreds of apartments near Kennedy, so that's where the low-income, welfare-type recipients live. Lots of non-English speakers, too. It shows in the school rating.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think I win in terms of length of time in MoCo. My parents moved to Wheaton in 1959, when I was 1. Our first neighborhood was a mix of working class families (with the Dads having completed high school) and professional middle class families (with Dads having completed college). The homes were all single family 3-bedroom, 1-bath homes with a car in every driveway.

By 1970, we moved into an upper-middle class Wheaton neighborhood, with five- and six-bedroom houses, walking distance to a country club and near the horse stables. Our parents were all college grads, and kids all took tennis and golf lessons at the club (and the more adventurous of us took riding lessons). Some went to private school, but most went to the perfectly decent public school.

My parents still live in that house, now almost 50 years later. Multiple (probably illegal) immigrant families double and triple up, and there are five and six cars in front of many houses. The country club is long gone, for sure. The high school is more than 70% FARMS, a very high percentage ESOL, and is rated dead last in the county, at a 3. Because of that, you can pick up a 3,000 SF house for around $400k. The nearby strip shopping center is full of trash, empty liquor bottles, and sometimes dirty diapers.

So my area of MoCo has gone downhill, waaaaaay downhill.


Let me guess. You're white?

Wow, I'm soooo sorry your wealthy Country Club suburb has been infested by brown people.
And notice how PP describes her ideal MoCo as full of single (probably white) family homes where DADS (as opposed to Moms) were educated and brought home the bacon. Were there wives all June Cleavers who stayed home vacuuming in pearls?

Why don't we build a wall and keep all the immigrants and brown people out and keep your 1950s fantasy world in? #MAGA.
And you people think Elrich is the NIMBY. smh.

First, I described it as the Dads working because that was what it was like when my parents moved in 50 years ago. It's. It is not what I would have wanted, or want now. Assumption on your part.

Second, stop with the "infested with brown people" racist nonsense. It's a lie liberals keep repeating rather than face the truth - that an influx of poor, unskilled people unable to support themselves and reliant on taxpayer support to feed their kids is coming at a big cost to Americans living near where they settle.

Third, I am sympathetic to the elderly people who bought these homes 50+ years ago and have seen a big portion of the equity dry up just as they are about to need it for assisted living. Why are you so sympathetic to illegal immigrants, and not elderly Americans who worked all their lives and now find their neighborhoods in decline?


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The very smartest kids are in Montgomery that's why it's 36-4 against nova in its academic the last 40 years.


This is an incoherent mess of a post. What was that about how strong MoCo schools are, again?

They are the strongest in the area, hence the domination. It's not even close. ..

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-takes-first-place-in-ranking-on-college-preparedness-stem-career-readiness/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/index.aspx?pagetype=showrelease&id=8161&type=&startYear=&pageNumber=&mode=


SAT scores aren’t the best. May have most misleading press releases.

LOL
Did you see SAT scores on the links posted?
You are truly ignorant
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The best schools in the area. Most diverse county
What more can you ask?


what if I don't value diversity?

Too bad, you will be left out.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:2018 average SAT scores are another measure of MoCo's decline:

Fairfax 1213
Arlington 1191
Montgomery 1167

Link??
When Fairfax and Arlington can win the "it's academic " competition, we will take them seriously.
Anonymous
Diversity is turning this country into a shithole
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think I win in terms of length of time in MoCo. My parents moved to Wheaton in 1959, when I was 1. Our first neighborhood was a mix of working class families (with the Dads having completed high school) and professional middle class families (with Dads having completed college). The homes were all single family 3-bedroom, 1-bath homes with a car in every driveway.

By 1970, we moved into an upper-middle class Wheaton neighborhood, with five- and six-bedroom houses, walking distance to a country club and near the horse stables. Our parents were all college grads, and kids all took tennis and golf lessons at the club (and the more adventurous of us took riding lessons). Some went to private school, but most went to the perfectly decent public school.

My parents still live in that house, now almost 50 years later. Multiple (probably illegal) immigrant families double and triple up, and there are five and six cars in front of many houses. The country club is long gone, for sure. The high school is more than 70% FARMS, a very high percentage ESOL, and is rated dead last in the county, at a 3. Because of that, you can pick up a 3,000 SF house for around $400k. The nearby strip shopping center is full of trash, empty liquor bottles, and sometimes dirty diapers.

So my area of MoCo has gone downhill, waaaaaay downhill.


Let me guess. You're white?

Wow, I'm soooo sorry your wealthy Country Club suburb has been infested by brown people.
And notice how PP describes her ideal MoCo as full of single (probably white) family homes where DADS (as opposed to Moms) were educated and brought home the bacon. Were there wives all June Cleavers who stayed home vacuuming in pearls?

Why don't we build a wall and keep all the immigrants and brown people out and keep your 1950s fantasy world in? #MAGA.
And you people think Elrich is the NIMBY. smh.

First, I described it as the Dads working because that was what it was like when my parents moved in 50 years ago. It's. It is not what I would have wanted, or want now. Assumption on your part.

Second, stop with the "infested with brown people" racist nonsense. It's a lie liberals keep repeating rather than face the truth - that an influx of poor, unskilled people unable to support themselves and reliant on taxpayer support to feed their kids is coming at a big cost to Americans living near where they settle.

Third, I am sympathetic to the elderly people who bought these homes 50+ years ago and have seen a big portion of the equity dry up just as they are about to need it for assisted living. Why are you so sympathetic to illegal immigrants, and not elderly Americans who worked all their lives and now find their neighborhoods in decline?


This is important to explore.

I'm a white uber liberal lawyer who grew up in MoCo and lives here. My job is in the anti-poverty/social justice arena.

If every time a person mentions a poverty-related issue someone screams racism, then we will never actually discuss the poverty-related issues.

Yes, the children born here are citizens who are entitled to an education and social services (if/when necessary). But we need to realize that their parents' immigration status typically precludes them from working jobs above the table and paying taxes. Yes, they work; but they typically work jobs that don't pay taxes (or some might work with fake SS#s).

A possible solution is legal assistance to address their status. Another option is immigration reform.

But we (including anti-poverty advocates) rarely get to those in the weeds solutions because we get distracted with racism.

The overcrowding issues are problematic. We had 5 families living in a ranch style house in my prior neighborhood in 20906. 5 couples; at least 8 kids based on the # of cribs and toddler beds I counted when I walked through the open house. While I admired their pluck and self-sufficiency, there are obvious negative impacts on the neighborhood as well as the kids living inside the home (as evidenced by the multiple calls to the police for domestic situations). This house wasn't an outlier; there were dozens of such homes in my old neighborhood by the time we moved out. Ten years later, the entire neighborhood and schools have declined dramatically. They crossed a tipping point. And there is an impact on surrounding shopping centers which struggle to find anchor stores and restaurants precisely because of the racial and socioeconomics (anchor chains rely heavily on that data).

The elderly in MoCo have a dramatically declining standard of living. They are on fixed incomes and barely getting by thanks to increasing medical bills. Many are only able to remain housed thanks to support from their kids. Many have lost their homes. Many can't afford to sustain their homes, yet they can't afford to downsize (leave the home that's paid for) because they can't afford rent or a modest place in leisureworld because their home (while paid for) has fallen into such disrepair it will be tough to sell---or will sell for far less than its worth. Remember: moco has a serious pinhole leak issue with its pipes in the housing stock where blue collar and lower paid white collar elderly people reside.

I could go on, but I suppose the point is this: let's stop pretending that moco hasn't changed. It has. Dramatically. Instead of complaining, and instead of ignoring, let's discuss and identify solutions that improve the situation for everyone. That means we will need to discuss crime, too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:2018 average SAT scores are another measure of MoCo's decline:

Fairfax 1213
Arlington 1191
Montgomery 1167


Comparing SAT scores between schools districts, and even among high schools, isn't always an apples-to-apples comparison. Fairfax has a higher average score, but its SAT participation rate among graduating seniors is the lowest among the three at 60%, and varies among its high schools. MoCo has a higher-participation rate at 65.7% with a pretty consistent participation rate among its high schools. Arlington has a higher participation rate, but like Fairfax has significant variance in the number of students taking the SAT at its high schools.

Compare the SAT participation rate at Wheaton HS at 59%, and compare it to Mount Vernon in Fairfax at 18%, and there's a whole portion of students whom are not even attempting to take the SAT at Mount Vernon. Likewise, Wakefield High School had a 17% participation rate. So, as many statisticians will tell you, the average number can be skewed to be more favorable when you have a smaller sample population. SAT scores in a school district will always be higher if college-bound students are a bulk of your sample population
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