Serena is a bully and a crybaby

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

NP here, why don't you acknowledge that the same behavior for men does not result in penalty? Why doesn't this bother you? I'm not a tennis fan, but even I can see that. to me, though, in an ideal world, is to make sure men do get penalized for behaviors above. We can and should expect more from athletes.

you are oddly invested in this for someone who is not a tennis fan. tennis would gain absolutely nothing if men were more harshly penalized. like Serena's coach said it's all a hipocrisy that serves no benefit. tennis court is not a classroom. It's ok to be passionate.

[Anonymous]

The chair ump is there to maintain and restore order. Yesterday he became the story. SAD!

[Anonymous]

If Chris Evert is calling this a black thing, where is the prejudice against Osaka? Her dad is black American.

[Anonymous]

Hey, Rafa Nadal’s constant scratch (behind and front) is disgusting. Not only it’s a scratch but also a sniff. What happens if a female tennis player copy RN in the court?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The world owes you an apology
Not just the umpire
Not just the French Open
Not just racists who ask if you feel intimidated by Sharapova’s basic looks
Or being drug tested more than
The basic looking actual drug user
The nurses and doctors who ignored
Your knowledge
Of your own body
Almost causing your death
Every time they questioned your
Femininity
Ability
Strength
Integrity
Victory
They did so because of your skin
Asian parents who mold their children are
Tiger mothers
White parents who risk everything
Turn sex tapes into millions
Are momagers
But your father who made legends out of
Compton Concrete
Shaping you and your sister
Like Michelangelo chiseled David
He is loud
Obnoxious
Insane
The world owes you an apology
But we know it will never come
Because first they would have to acknowledge
The hatred
The racism
It isn’t your black panther suit
Your beauty
Your millions
You venting to a umpire
A broken racket
Or a demand of proper medical care
It’s your blackness that offends
Your power when you should be powerless
Your confidence
When you should always grovel
Always remind yourself
That you should thank them
for allowing you
To be on the courts at all
As if a Queen tells the jester
thank you for her
Throne
You are the living breathing embodiment of
#blackgirlmagic
The dream of our ancestors
The power of our foremothers
The strength that the
Middle passage
Slavery
Jim Crow
and America
Could not break
Your are more than the
GOAT
You are goddess
Fearless
More than tennis
You are a living black legend
And they hate you for it
#Serena #GOAT #USOpenTennis #JustDoIt
#FistAndFire #Buymybookifyouwanna

-Lesle Honore

Excellence.

But, they not gone like you. You know that, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Chris Evert is calling this a black thing, where is the prejudice against Osaka? Her dad is black American.

At the same time, all the story leads are referring to her as Japanese. And her dad is from Haiti, not the US originally. For whatever reason, the press is identifying her with Japan and not Haiti, even though her heritage is 50% from each country.

At one point, the tv coverage panning over the crowd showed a group of fans holding up Haitian flags. So, Haitians are showing their support for her, even though the press doesn't seem to be covering this aspect of her background.

[Anonymous]

Many people never liked Serena and Venus. But they had to learn to deal with the fact that they were beating them (badly) at their own game.

The very first chance they get to discredit or undermine them, they're all over it. They are resentful of these sisters. Always have been.

Problem is, there are more Serenas on the way. They know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world owes you an apology
Not just the umpire
Not just the French Open
Not just racists who ask if you feel intimidated by Sharapova’s basic looks
Or being drug tested more than
The basic looking actual drug user
The nurses and doctors who ignored
Your knowledge
Of your own body
Almost causing your death
Every time they questioned your
Femininity
Ability
Strength
Integrity
Victory
They did so because of your skin
Asian parents who mold their children are
Tiger mothers
White parents who risk everything
Turn sex tapes into millions
Are momagers
But your father who made legends out of
Compton Concrete
Shaping you and your sister
Like Michelangelo chiseled David
He is loud
Obnoxious
Insane
The world owes you an apology
But we know it will never come
Because first they would have to acknowledge
The hatred
The racism
It isn’t your black panther suit
Your beauty
Your millions
You venting to a umpire
A broken racket
Or a demand of proper medical care
It’s your blackness that offends
Your power when you should be powerless
Your confidence
When you should always grovel
Always remind yourself
That you should thank them
for allowing you
To be on the courts at all
As if a Queen tells the jester
thank you for her
Throne
You are the living breathing embodiment of
#blackgirlmagic
The dream of our ancestors
The power of our foremothers
The strength that the
Middle passage
Slavery
Jim Crow
and America
Could not break
Your are more than the
GOAT
You are goddess
Fearless
More than tennis
You are a living black legend
And they hate you for it
#Serena #GOAT #USOpenTennis #JustDoIt
#FistAndFire #Buymybookifyouwanna

-Lesle Honore

Excellence.

But, they not gone like you. You know that, right?

Osaka's Dad is Haitian African, and she was born in US.
Here is a good article on nastiness of US Open crowd. Katrina Adams being the worst offender, imo.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/its-shameful-what-us-open-did-to-naomi-osaka/[url]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ramos enforced the rules. It’s not his job to compare himself or his actions to other umpires who handle rules differently. It’s his job to enforce the rules. Not doing so is like the excuse “everyone else does it, so I should, too”.

He enforces the rules in a discriminatory manner. He doesn’t enforce those same rules against the men.

What possible evidence do you have of this? By all accounts he's well respected and has worked a number of major finales. Ratchet down your inane hysteria.

People have already provided those examples throughout the thread. Stop playing coy and dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Chris Evert is calling this a black thing, where is the prejudice against Osaka? Her dad is black American.

At the same time, all the story leads are referring to her as Japanese. And her dad is from Haiti, not the US originally. For whatever reason, the press is identifying her with Japan and not Haiti, even though her heritage is 50% from each country.

At one point, the tv coverage panning over the crowd showed a group of fans holding up Haitian flags. So, Haitians are showing their support for her, even though the press doesn't seem to be covering this aspect of her background.

for whatever reason? she plays under Japan flag. She chose to do so. I have no idea and I don't care. but this has nothing to do with the press anymore than mladenovix playing for France or zverev playing for Germany.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ramos enforced the rules. It’s not his job to compare himself or his actions to other umpires who handle rules differently. It’s his job to enforce the rules. Not doing so is like the excuse “everyone else does it, so I should, too”.

He enforces the rules in a discriminatory manner. He doesn’t enforce those same rules against the men.

but women don't play against men! she cannot be discriminated against men because they play a different game entirely. now if she was punished for what other women were not punished for it would be a different thing.

This is a silly argument. The rules are the same rules. And If you really watch the tennis matches, you know that Sharaponova is coached from the sideline all the damn time. Nobody cares or calls it out. The question going forward is will they begin to call it on the men and the other women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

Other women do blow up as well. One player recently attacked the chair umps chair. I'm pointing out the double standard in the way men and women are treated. The double standard is sexist. Lots of other female players act like divas as well. Serena gets noticed because she destroys other players. Until recently no one could challenge her. There is so much resentment because of this. You clearly don't watch much tennis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/serena-williams-has-another-u-s-open-meltdown-clashes-with-chair-umpire

This is how it happened. All the lunatic Serena supporters can just shut up and stop defending a bully. This was nothing about being black or a woman. Stop making excuses and be responsible for your actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ramos is a thief and worse. I hope his career is done.

You sound like a lunatic......bet you didn’t even watch the match.

I'm not the pp and I did watch the entire match. I've been following tennis for decades. I won't be happy until he is fired. You have no clue how professional tennis matches are managed. He has had run ins with several players and has ego problems. What he did is not done in professional tennis particularly in a final. You are clueless.

[Anonymous]

Big fat crybaby